Well At least the Chiefs got Gunther ...... - Page 5 - The Orange Mane

bendog · 11-08-2004, 08:18 AM

TB isn't as bad as it record shows. Pittman is back, as are Jurrvicious and Jo-ey. Clayton is a beast. He not only throws cornerbacks out of his way, but he blocked Jelly, and got a PF doing it!

I thought KC would win, but when Priest went out they deflated. And LJ couldn't get short yardage. Tough game for KC. Barber's knee looked really sick.

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2004, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Didn't get to see any of the game as I was on the road coming back from Knoxville...

Based on the stats the defense looks like it was up to its normal pitiful self. Anybody watch most of the game that can give me a non-homerized evaluation? I'm guessing it was the same old same old...Offense moves pretty much at will while the other teams offense moves it pretty much at will against our defense. Anything outside of that I should know about?

Thx

Not really..thats pretty much it. The Offense looked awesome in the 1st half epecially against a really great defense of the Bucs. They slowed down a little in the 2nd half but they might have been pressing some knowing they had to score on every drive. Larry Johnson played the whole 4th quarter because Priest went down with a thigh bruise. Alot of people thought he looked like trash but i thought he did ok under the circumstances. It wasnt his fault we lost but people are gonna use him as one of the scapegoats of course.

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

I can , watched some of it ........
Griese was on target , realy cant say much more then that , but T.O .'s Killed the Chiefs , That hit Priest took was bad , once Priest was gone , so was the Chiefs offense

Well we can officially lock and load for the Mike Williams sweepstakes in April. If Holmes is hurt we shouldn't have much trouble landed a top 5 pick especially after being spotted a nice quality 3-5 start....Only thing that could really jeopardize that is two game left against Oakland. That nearly ensures we end up with 5 wins.

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Didn't get to see any of the game as I was on the road coming back from Knoxville...

Based on the stats the defense looks like it was up to its normal pitiful self. Anybody watch most of the game that can give me a non-homerized evaluation? I'm guessing it was the same old same old...Offense moves pretty much at will while the other teams offense moves it pretty much at will against our defense. Anything outside of that I should know about?

Thx

Oh yea...the Chiefs stil cant defend the bootleg rollout pass....after 3 seasons of this crap, they still cant defend it....Un freakin believable!

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 08:24 AM

I'm guessing there isn't anymore "Thank God We Don't Have Marty" threads on the Planet....

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Well we can officially lock and load for the Mike Williams sweepstakes in April. If Holmes is hurt we shouldn't have much trouble landed a top 5 pick especially after being spotted a nice quality 3-5 start....Only thing that could really jeopardize that is two game left against Oakland. That nearly ensures we end up with 5 wins.

IM not sure i Trust King Carl with picking a top 10 pick. Knowing him, he will probably draft some Safety/tweener/punt returner that he falls in love with at the combine.

Spider · 11-08-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Well we can officially lock and load for the Mike Williams sweepstakes in April. If Holmes is hurt we shouldn't have much trouble landed a top 5 pick especially after being spotted a nice quality 3-5 start....Only thing that could really jeopardize that is two game left against Oakland. That nearly ensures we end up with 5 wins.

I dont think Priest was injured enough to keep him out of Next week's game ...... I think the Problem with the Chiefs front 7 is Chemistry , these guys dont play well together , and your secondary is weak , alot of People knocked Kenoy Kennedy for being a cheap shot guy , but you guys could have used KK ....... The Bucs WR's were running all over the field with no fear ..... none whatso ever

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I'm guessing there isn't anymore "Thank God We Don't Have Marty" threads on the Planet....

hahah......Marty needed to leave KC at the time. His time had come and gone and that was a good decision. Problem was, King Carl should have left with him.

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

IM not sure i Trust King Carl with picking a top 10 pick. Knowing him, he will probably draft some Safety/tweener/punt returner that he falls in love with at the combine.

Regardless of what he drafts we can at least rest assured he will be one of the last 1st rounders to sign...

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

I dont think Priest was injured enough to keep him out of Next week's game ...... I think the Problem with the Chiefs front 7 is Chemistry , these guys dont play well together , and your secondary is weak , alot of People knocked Kenoy Kennedy for being a cheap shot guy , but you guys could have used KK ....... The Bucs WR's were running all over the field with no fear ..... none whatso ever

Certainly a ton of holes on that defense...Badly need a legitimate CB opposite Warfield, a MLB and a pass rushing DE. Woods is no spring chicken at safety and replacing him certainly wouldn't be a bad idea either. By the time they patch all these holes and make the defense respectable the age of the offense will cause it to fall completely apart with the near retirement of Roaf, Shields, Morton, Richardson, Holmes and probably Green all within the next 3 seasons.

bendog · 11-08-2004, 08:31 AM

I wouldn't make LJ a scapegoat. If I was assigning blame it'd go elsewhare. LJ might be a player, but I haven't seen much of him. He IS smaller than I thought he'd be. He didn't do much, but like you say, he played pretty much like a guy 3rd on a depthchart.

Spider · 11-08-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Certainly a ton of holes on that defense...Badly need a legitimate CB opposite Warfield, a MLB and a pass rushing DE. Woods is no spring chicken at safety and replacing him certainly wouldn't be a bad idea either. By the time they patch all these holes and make the defense respectable the age of the offense will cause it to fall completely apart with the near retirement of Roaf, Shields, Morton, Richardson, Holmes and probably Green all within the next 3 seasons.

Maybe F.A. will be your answers next season ........

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2004, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Certainly a ton of holes on that defense...Badly need a legitimate CB opposite Warfield, a MLB and a pass rushing DE. Woods is no spring chicken at safety and replacing him certainly wouldn't be a bad idea either. By the time they patch all these holes and make the defense respectable the age of the offense will cause it to fall completely apart with the near retirement of Roaf, Shields, Morton, Richardson, Holmes and probably Green all within the next 3 seasons.

BINGO! Carl/DV should have been working on a complete overhaul of this D since back in 2001. Its been on a steady downhill decline since 1999 IMO.

Woods
Bartee
McCleon
Battle
Mitchell
Barber
Hicks
Holliday

All need to be GONE next year.

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2004, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bendog

I wouldn't make LJ a scapegoat. If I was assigning blame it'd go elsewhare. LJ might be a player, but I haven't seen much of him. He IS smaller than I thought he'd be. He didn't do much, but like you say, he played pretty much like a guy 3rd on a depthchart.

I think he will OK, but probably not with us. IMO he doesnt fit our offense. He reminds me of Eddie George alot. A bruiser/power back. Hes one of those types that needs lots of carries to get in a rhythm. Dick hasnt done him any favors this year as far as getting him prepared to play since he has been deactivated half of the games.

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

Maybe F.A. will be your answers next season ........

Maybe but considering Carl Peterson's history with FA signing(Big Fat Chet, Crockett, Barber, Morton, Clemons, Dan Williams, Holliday, Brett Perriman) and the list goes on, I'm not going to hold my breath that FA will do anything other than hurt us.

Only FA signings that have ever worked out decent in recent history has been James Hasty and Marcus Allen.

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2004, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Maybe but considering Carl Peterson's history with FA signing(Big Fat Chet, Crockett, Barber, Morton, Clemons, Dan Williams, Holliday, Brett Perriman) and the list goes on, I'm not going to hold my breath that FA will do anything other than hurt us.

Only FA signings that have ever worked out decent in recent history has been James Hasty and Marcus Allen.

I give Carl all the credit in the world for building this franchise back to greatness in the late 80's and early 90's. I wont bash him too much because he has done some great things for our team....but Lamar needs to realize Carl's time has come and gone...its time for both partys to move on. IM ready for someone new. I just dont trust the man anymore. We havent won a playoff game since 1993!! We have only made the playoffs 1 time since 1997! Wake up Lamar!

Spider · 11-08-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Maybe but considering Carl Peterson's history with FA signing(Big Fat Chet, Crockett, Barber, Morton, Clemons, Dan Williams, Holliday, Brett Perriman) and the list goes on, I'm not going to hold my breath that FA will do anything other than hurt us.

Only FA signings that have ever worked out decent in recent history has been James Hasty and Marcus Allen.

Hell look @ Denver , Dalton , I.Hop , Carter , Eric Brown , the list goes on , hell Half of Bronco fans dontthink plummer is the right fit .... just gotta keep trying

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

Hell look @ Denver , Dalton , I.Hop , Carter , Eric Brown , the list goes on , hell Half of Bronco fans dontthink plummer is the right fit .... just gotta keep trying

FA in general is bad news for nearly all teams...Big name free agents always get far more money than they deserve due to bidding wars so even if they play to previous levels you are still usually getting ripped off. And that is assuming their previous play even translates into the new and different system.

Every team worth a damn over a longer haul is built with quality drafts and low to mid dollar free agent pick ups. Free agent players that look like they have the talent and ability but can't command big money cause they haven't gotten a fair chance with playing time or they managed to damage their value in some other way. Two good examples for us would be Holmes and Dalton. They have been our best pick ups in a long time(Holmes, would be best ever) and they both came with virtually no fan fare and very modest money. NE has been the master of this. Guys like Vrabel, Ty Poole, Harrison, Buckley and the list goes on. They refuse to get into big dollar bidding wars.

Crushaholic · 11-08-2004, 09:00 AM

Aaah...memories...

Looking back on this thread is proof positive that the Bronco fans knew the positive changes that were coming and the Chef fans were clueless...

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Aaah...memories...

Looking back on this thread is proof positive that the Bronco fans knew the positive changes that were coming and the Chef fans were clueless...

Easy there Crush.....Donkey fans had their fair share of unrealistic expectations...If a Denver fan was in charge of Caton, Q.Griffin would have been enshrined after week 1.

Spider · 11-08-2004, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

FA in general is bad news for nearly all teams...Big name free agents always get far more money than they deserve due to bidding wars so even if they play to previous levels you are still usually getting ripped off. And that is assuming their previous play even translates into the new and different system.

Every team worth a damn over a longer haul is built with quality drafts and low to mid dollar free agent pick ups. Free agent players that look like they have the talent and ability but can't command big money cause they haven't gotten a fair chance with playing time or they managed to damage their value in some other way. Two good examples for us would be Holmes and Dalton. They have been our best pick ups in a long time(Holmes, would be best ever) and they both came with virtually no fan fare and very modest money. NE has been the master of this. Guys like Vrabel, Ty Poole, Harrison, Buckley and the list goes on. They refuse to get into big dollar bidding wars.

you're right
you build your team through the draft , you supplement your team through F.A.
As for N.E. , I said some time ago here , if you want to win in the NFL , you have to have the front office , Look no futher then the grand scheme of NE .....

Crushaholic · 11-08-2004, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Easy there Crush.....Donkey fans had their fair share of unrealistic expectations...If a Denver fan was in charge of Caton, Q.Griffin would have been enshrined after week 1.

There were some unrealistic expectations about Q, but I'm talking about Denver's upgrades on defense were going to make a difference and getting Gunther won't make much of a difference for KC. That's worked out well, for the most part. There were a couple of games that Denver's defense didn't show up and there were a couple of games where KC's defense looked impressive. Otherwise, the predictions were right on the money.

orpheus1 · 11-08-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Maybe but considering Carl Peterson's history with FA signing(Big Fat Chet, Crockett, Barber, Morton, Clemons, Dan Williams, Holliday, Brett Perriman) and the list goes on, I'm not going to hold my breath that FA will do anything other than hurt us.

Only FA signings that have ever worked out decent in recent history has been James Hasty and Marcus Allen.

Um, I think that Priest Holmes guy has worked out pretty well...along with that Tony Richardson guy...

orpheus1 · 11-08-2004, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

There were some unrealistic expectations about Q, but I'm talking about Denver's upgrades on defense were going to make a difference and getting Gunther won't make much of a difference for KC. That's worked out well, for the most part. There were a couple of games that Denver's defense didn't show up and there were a couple of games where KC's defense looked impressive. Otherwise, the predictions were right on the money.

Yup. KC proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you need a solid D to win last year, but didn't (obviously) do enough to fix the problem. By the time they figure it out, our offensive stars will all be geriatric, and we'll be screwed...again...

Denver made improvements. They are not as good as KC on offense, but they don't need to be. The records tell the tale. 6-3 versus 3-6...

NaptownChief · 11-08-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by orpheus1

Um, I think that Priest Holmes guy has worked out pretty well...along with that Tony Richardson guy...

You might want to take a look at post #118 and catch up on the complete context of the conversation before waiving your BS flag around.

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11-08-2004, 08:18 AM	#101
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	TB isn't as bad as it record shows. Pittman is back, as are Jurrvicious and Jo-ey. Clayton is a beast. He not only throws cornerbacks out of his way, but he blocked Jelly, and got a PF doing it! I thought KC would win, but when Priest went out they deflated. And LJ couldn't get short yardage. Tough game for KC. Barber's knee looked really sick.

11-08-2004, 08:24 AM	#105
NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	I'm guessing there isn't anymore "Thank God We Don't Have Marty" threads on the Planet....

11-08-2004, 08:31 AM	#111
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I wouldn't make LJ a scapegoat. If I was assigning blame it'd go elsewhare. LJ might be a player, but I haven't seen much of him. He IS smaller than I thought he'd be. He didn't do much, but like you say, he played pretty much like a guy 3rd on a depthchart.

11-08-2004, 09:00 AM	#119
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,041	Aaah...memories... Looking back on this thread is proof positive that the Bronco fans knew the positive changes that were coming and the Chef fans were clueless...