Well At least the Chiefs got Gunther ......

[Slade]

I hope that Dante plays more WR this year! I can't wait for Lynch to clean his clock.

[shakenbake]

Imo the Chiefs were lucky to make it through the season without suffering any major injuries. I find it amusing the think they can simply keep the same players from last year and get a better result. No way they escape the injury bug again this year.

[ZachKC]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

Imo the Chiefs were lucky to make it through the season without suffering any major injuries. I find it amusing the think they can simply keep the same players from last year and get a better result. No way they escape the injury bug again this year.

Keep telling yourself that.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

Keep telling yourself that.

you know Damn well ShakeNBake is right ............ you guys were Injury free , and who do you guys have at Back up ? ...............
Run to the light Zach

[SoCalBronco]

you guys were the Stanford of the NFL. Banging your drums all season, and escaping from crappy teams all season (when you werent being aided by the Terry Porter's) only to be exposed the first time it really mattered.

[shakenbake]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

Keep telling yourself that.

Last season the chefs had to be the luckiest team in the NFL from an injury standpoint. I cant think of any other team that was able to go through the season without loosing one key player. The odds of that happening again are very slim.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

you guys were the Stanford of the NFL. Banging your drums all season, and escaping from crappy teams all season (when you werent being aided by the Terry Porter's) only to be exposed the first time it really mattered.

....... I wish I could give you a rep .......

[flair]

This is a great thread. I guess KC is counting on Gunther to cover and not bite on every play we throw at him like KC defense last year ......They run him out of town one year and beg the loser back another...Should be great entertainment for this coming year.

[flair]

Originally Posted by Slade

I hope that Dante plays more WR this year! I can't wait for Lynch to clean his clock.

Midgets may protest after that !!

[Sarcastro]

If the Broncos would have done anything last year then maybe you could talk **** on the Chiefs. You guys lost by 31 points in the playoffs, and you are talking trash on the Chiefs who lost by one touchdown and were two minutes away from scoring again.

If you want to say that we have no defense, well I guess the playoffs showed that when push came to shove, Denver had no offense or defense. I guess losing 41-10 is fine when it is on the road? What a joke. Please shut the **** up. Neither one of our teams really did anything to be proud of last season.

[Crushaholic]

Originally Posted by Sarcastro

If the Broncos would have done anything last year then maybe you could talk **** on the Chiefs. You guys lost by 31 points in the playoffs, and you are talking trash on the Chiefs who lost by one touchdown and were two minutes away from scoring again.

If you want to say that we have no defense, well I guess the playoffs showed that when push came to shove, Denver had no offense or defense. I guess losing 41-10 is fine when it is on the road? What a joke. Please shut the **** up. Neither one of our teams really did anything to be proud of last season.

Losing by 31 is embarrassing, but Denver is working hard to correct that. The Chiefs seem content to stay with the same personnel. THAT'S the difference.

[Sarcastro]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Losing by 31 is embarrassing, but Denver is working hard to correct that. The Chiefs seem content to stay with the same personnel. THAT'S the difference.

Despite what many people seem to think, replacing Greg Robinson with Gunther is a huge upgrade. While as a fan I would be happy to get some superstar on defense, I would not have been happy if we were paying say an over-the-hill loud mouthed DT 37 million dollars. Would I like new players on the D? Of course, but I am still confident that switching to G.C. and his much more aggressive and altogether better schemes will cause a significant improvement on the D by itself. The only player I am actually upset about us not pursuing so far this season is Robaire Smith. The Freak, Sapp, and the rest can go **** themselves in their overpaid asses.

Also remember that you don't need to strike right when free agency starts to get good solid players. Priest Holmes was the last rb taken in the entire free agency period that year, and I think he turned out alright.

[ZachKC]

Originally Posted by Sarcastro

Despite what many people seem to think, replacing Greg Robinson with Gunther is a huge upgrade. While as a fan I would be happy to get some superstar on defense, I would not have been happy if we were paying say an over-the-hill loud mouthed DT 37 million dollars. Would I like new players on the D? Of course, but I am still confident that switching to G.C. and his much more aggressive and altogether better schemes will cause a significant improvement on the D by itself. The only player I am actually upset about us not pursuing so far this season is Robaire Smith. The Freak, Sapp, and the rest can go **** themselves in their overpaid asses.

Also remember that you don't need to strike right when free agency starts to get good solid players. Priest Holmes was the last rb taken in the entire free agency period that year, and I think he turned out alright.

Don't even start with Holmes...people around here cringe at the idea of having to admit he is an above average back.

[Sarcastro]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

Don't even start with Holmes...people around here cringe at the idea of having to admit he is an above average back.

Haven't you heard? Anybody could get 27 TDs behind our line!

[ZachKC]

Originally Posted by Sarcastro

Haven't you heard? Anybody could get 27 TDs behind our line!

Haven't you heard? Portis sucks...


good times...

[tk13]

Did you watch the Colts-Chiefs game? Do you know why we got destroyed... it was pretty simple, Peyton Manning. Not just simply because of his and his teammates abilities on the field, but because of how smart they are. Manning and Brock Huard went threw EVERY single Chiefs game during the year, between the two quarterbacks they were able to work together and see every single down the Chiefs had played on defense. I don't need to tell you guys how good Manning is at looking at, reading, and adjusting to a defense. When we got in the playoff game he knew every single thing that we were going to do...it's almost exactly like the Bucs knowing the Raiders inside out during the Super Bowl last year. After the first 2-3 drives where nothing was working, according to Robinson himself, he started going back through defensive plays that they had run all throughout the year trying to find something that worked. Well, Manning had already examined all of this stuff, he knew every single thing that was coming, and knew how to adjust to it every single time. We had absolutely no chance.

I would never disagree that the Chiefs could be more talented on defense, but the reason we got pasted in that playoff game was far and away Greg Robinson, because down the stretch anyone with a halfway decent offensive mind saw everything we did and Robinson never adjusted. I don't expect the Chiefs to have a top 10 defense but it'll be better by default just due to some of the brains up in the booth. As Bronco fans, I think you of all folks would know that a defensive coordinator change can do some good, considering Greg Robinson coached there and Larry Coyer turned around what Ray Rhodes couldn't do, I think you would be the last group of fans to make some of these statements because your own organization has done some of the same things, with success...

[ChiefJustice]

Originally Posted by tk13

Did you watch the Colts-Chiefs game? Do you know why we got destroyed... it was pretty simple, Peyton Manning. Not just simply because of his and his teammates abilities on the field, but because of how smart they are. Manning and Brock Huard went threw EVERY single Chiefs game during the year, between the two quarterbacks they were able to work together and see every single down the Chiefs had played on defense. I don't need to tell you guys how good Manning is at looking at, reading, and adjusting to a defense. When we got in the playoff game he knew every single thing that we were going to do...it's almost exactly like the Bucs knowing the Raiders inside out during the Super Bowl last year. After the first 2-3 drives where nothing was working, according to Robinson himself, he started going back through defensive plays that they had run all throughout the year trying to find something that worked. Well, Manning had already examined all of this stuff, he knew every single thing that was coming, and knew how to adjust to it every single time. We had absolutely no chance.

I would never disagree that the Chiefs could be more talented on defense, but the reason we got pasted in that playoff game was far and away Greg Robinson, because down the stretch anyone with a halfway decent offensive mind saw everything we did and Robinson never adjusted. I don't expect the Chiefs to have a top 10 defense but it'll be better by default just due to some of the brains up in the booth. As Bronco fans, I think you of all folks would know that a defensive coordinator change can do some good, considering Greg Robinson coached there and Larry Coyer turned around what Ray Rhodes couldn't do, I think you would be the last group of fans to make some of these statements because your own organization has done some of the same things, with success...

Pack a lunch...it is going to be a long off-season.

[Broncos4Life]

You know what, you guys play pretty good zone D to get turnovers,but can your secondary play man and shut a team down? I don't think so. It was a big mistake resigning those soft safteys of yours. Nobody on that D can hit worth a shiit. There is just one matchup I'm looking forward to against the queefs. Hall VS Lynch. Its gonna be like a fly hitting a windshield!

[crazyhorse]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Losing by 31 is embarrassing, but Denver is working hard to correct that. The Chiefs seem content to stay with the same personnel. THAT'S the difference.

Another notable difference is the Donks have destroyed what offense they had, to pick up a couple of guys on an already good defense. Just because you guys pick up a couple of players, doesn't mean that the players you have lost will mean no drop in production.

I mean you guys might be able to blow a little sunshine up each others ass. But the reality is likely going to a little different than some predict.

Of course I could be wrong.

I fully expect the D to be better for you. But unlike most here, I am not so sure that you can shift guys around on the O line lose a Probowl back, a good WR, and your left tackle and still produce at the same level. If Sharpe leaves it only compounds the problem.

I am fully aware that the Donks have had success before with lesser backs. But they did it with guys that are no longer with the team.

[fontaine]

Naptown chief wrote

We are changing our $hitty scheme....I think that will be plenty enough to have you guys playing for second place again.

This is a valid point. Gunther will undoubtedly remember how well the Broncos D has done with no name players simply because they played disclipined football, and with basic schemes stressed on the fundamentals like blocking and tackling well.

However, questions still remain.
Does Gunther have the personnel to run his schemes in KC? I know Coyer did not in his first year so he had to run simpler secondary schemes with emphasis on pressure up front which we were able to generate albeit not consistently. So far you guys have not signed any significant defensive players, not through lack of trying (Sapp, Vincent, Taylor etc) which shows that Gunther indeed requires additions to plays the kind of defense he wants to.

Will the personnel in KC be able to digest and handle his defense? I'm not certain about this but I remember reading that some KC players were confused about Robinson's schemes sometimes and were out of position. There are always growing pains when a new D-Coordinator takes over. Look at Robinson's first year there, and in a lot of ways it mirrors Rhodes dubious accomplishments here in Denver.

Gunther will have his work cut out for him but he does have several solid players to work with: Sims, Barber, Hicks etc.

[cmk1981]

in denver, a nobody can become a somebody at rb, a name is not important, portis believed his name was more important then the scheme, and off he went. denver is blowing up their offense, which they need to do, this is not the elway era bronco offense. of the 4 afc west teams, denver has to be the favorite, even without mccaffrey, portis, sharpe, and salaam.

[fontaine]

crazyhorse:

I fully expect the D to be better for you. But unlike most here, I am not so sure that you can shift guys around on the O line lose a Probowl back, a good WR, and your left tackle and still produce at the same level. If Sharpe leaves it only compounds the problem.

The offense does need to be retooled but I think there's reason to believe we should be okay, but probably not as explosive.

Griffin has shown that he does have some moves and vision and our O-Line will be good enough to make him a decent back as long as we find another guy (Anderson, Galloway) to take some carries.

I'm not really worried about WR though because Lelie couldn't play as bad as he did last year. He only has room to improve. We did lose Eddie Mac but he was pretty much serving as a good blocker for the running game and not much else. We did find MarTay Jenkins and Willie Jackson so these guys should provide decent depth and be the number 3 WR.

Sharpe will come for another season. If he doesn't then we have problems.

Our wildcard though is the draft. Even last year, the team wanted Dominic Davis in a bad way but the Texans beat us to him and he ended up a 1000+ yard rusher in a pretty anemic offense, so there's every reason to believe that this year's we will find a decent RB especially with the two extra picks we have (2nd, and 5th). We can go many directions in the draft, and I'm pretty sure we'll get great value especially in the WR class.

[Spider]

Bump ......... time to bring this thread back up

[redrage]

Originally Posted by Broncos4Life

It was a big mistake resigning those soft safteys of yours. Nobody on that D can hit worth a shiit.

That quote right there sums up the knowledge of Bronco fans about the KC defense. Woods and Wesley were two of the hardest hitting safeties in the league before Robinson got a hold of them.

The year before Robinson came to KC Donnie Edwards got screwed out of the Pro-Bowl vote (according to many analysts). One year after GRob he can't play and is a soft tackler. Two years later in SD, he's a Pro-Bowler again. Go Figure.

The year before GRob shows up Hicks starts for the first time in his career and rings up 14 sacks. Gunther leaves and he has a combined 17.5 since. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it.

I'm not going to claim KC's talent on defense is all that, but I would think that Bronco fans (of all people) would know what getting rid of that cancer for a coordinator would do for a defense.

[Spider]

Woods and Wesley ......... Should be arrested for impersonating a NFL football player