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Old 09-27-2014, 08:56 AM   #1
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spirit is awful, but if you do fly spirit, go to the airport and buy your tickets AT the airport, youll save $34 round trip because they charge a 16.99 fee each way to book online.
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spirit is awful, but if you do fly spirit, go to the airport and buy your tickets AT the airport, youll save $34 round trip because they charge a 16.99 fee each way to book online.
They will charge you to check in at the airport and probably a fee for buying at the airport. They get their price one way or another.
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Frontier now charges for carry-on bags. $25.
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Flying gets to be more expensive and more of a pain in the ass every year.
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Wife and Friend have flown on spirit. Both felt like they were going to die. Duct tape on seats. Flights canceled and got stranded. Neither would fly again for FREE!

You get what you pay for.
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Frontier wants to be the new Spirit. That airline is going to **** quickly. They won't be around in 5 years

EDIT: I should say at their current rate they won't be around in 5 years.

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Flying gets to be more expensive and more of a pain in the ass every year.
Actually you should see what airline tickets cost in the 70's and 80's.

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Frontier wants to be the new Spirit. That airline is going to **** quickly. They won't be around in 5 years
Why do you say that? They are making money and growing.
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Thanks Obama!

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Old 09-27-2014, 01:24 PM   #9
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Actually you should see what airline tickets cost in the 70's and 80's.



Why do you say that? They aren't making money and growing.
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It's impossible to say what airlines will be around in 5 years. At the rate it's going we will be forced into flying only one company. Universal Airlines! Instead of animals on the tail wings there will be a pictures of Obama.
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It's impossible to say what airlines will be around in 5 years. At the rate it's going we will be forced into flying only one company. Universal Airlines! Instead of animals on the tail wings there will be a pictures of Obama.
That is very true. Although at this rate any more consolidation will be done so at the scrutiny of anti-trust laws.

Frontier has had an uncanny way of surviving when on deaths doorstep. They almost sunk the parent company of Republic Airways who couldn't get rid of them fast enough. Now they are going to this pay for everything strategy, have no customer service, and face a lot of competition at their home base from Southwest in Denver. Southwest, who just got five more brand spanking new gates to operate from. 5 gates for Southwest is like 10 gates for other airlines given their incredible turn times
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spirit is one of the most profitable airlines there, for this exact reason. again, the airline is awful, but the wife and i got round trip tickets from FLL to laguardia for $220 total. print your ticket at the kiosk and bring a backpack, you can see places for very cheap.
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With the dude who took out the Radar Tower up here in Aurora the Airlines have to start pumping money into their infrastructure. I used to work for that hospital they sent the dude to, it is right across the street from the radar tower. Kind of surprised it took so long for them to cut over to the Elgin radar tower.

I read about the cost to incurred to put GPS into planes after that Malaysian Jet was lost but after yesterday I would think the FAA should enforce a push to go GPS, I would think in the long run installing some GPS transponders and console would be cheaper than running antiquated Radar from a few sites in and around major airport hubs. That act took out air traffic into at least 5 states. I still don't see a lot of air traffic over head.
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With the dude who took out the Radar Tower up here in Aurora the Airlines have to start pumping money into their infrastructure. I used to work for that hospital they sent the dude to, it is right across the street from the radar tower. Kind of surprised it took so long for them to cut over to the Elgin radar tower.

I read about the cost to incurred to put GPS into planes after that Malaysian Jet was lost but after yesterday I would think the FAA should enforce a push to go GPS, I would think in the long run installing some GPS transponders and console would be cheaper than running antiquated Radar from a few sites in and around major airport hubs. That act took out air traffic into at least 5 states. I still don't see a lot of air traffic over head.
That isn't the airlines infrastructure. That is the federal government. Airline user fees won't go up, they are what pay for improvements to facilities. The Feds are going to have to pump money into their facilities to create redundancy. It won't be at an increase to the airlines, it will be at the expense of other budget needs like instrument landing system equipment, airport upgrades, staffing, etc.
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That isn't the airlines infrastructure. That is the federal government. Airline user fees won't go up, they are what pay for improvements to facilities. The Feds are going to have to pump money into their facilities to create redundancy. It won't be at an increase to the airlines, it will be at the expense of other budget needs like instrument landing system equipment, airport upgrades, staffing, etc.
Was wondering how that worked. Thought the Time article said that it was the airlines resisting due to cost but I read that a couple months ago.

You work in the industry, what is your take on what happened and is radar still the best method for dealing with planes in the air in this day and age? Could the real failure been in their Disaster Recovery planning at the site, that is after the dude cut and set fire to the cables?
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spirit is one of the most profitable airlines there, for this exact reason. again, the airline is awful, but the wife and i got round trip tickets from FLL to laguardia for $220 total. print your ticket at the kiosk and bring a backpack, you can see places for very cheap.
Yes they have a business model that works. But other airlines trying to emulate it will struggle because they have a customer base that already has an expectation. Existing airlines depend in their frequent fliers to help drive revenue. Spirit relies in reaching a demographic that us priced out of flying and are not considered regulars.

It is hard to switch to that business model without alienating your customers. Spirit negotiated gate leases and contracts with the business model in mind. Frontier, a Spirit wannabe had not.
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Frontier is awful. Spirit is awful. I have had simple unacceptable, verging on disgusting encounters with both, I don't care how cheap they are, I won't condone that business model with another dollar.
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Was wondering how that worked. Thought the Time article said that it was the airlines resisting due to cost but I read that a couple months ago.

You work in the industry, what is your take on what happened and is radar still the best method for dealing with planes in the air in this day and age? Could the real failure been in their Disaster Recovery planning at the site, that is after the dude cut and set fire to the cables?
The FAA us so antiquated it is embarrassing. They rely on technology from the 1950's to move modern efficient aircraft around the world. They are slow to move to full Performance Based Navigation and GPS technology.

The airlines do push back on any real significant improvements. There are two ways money is collected for improvements. Airlines have a very vocal say in how one is used. This is more used for Terminal improvements. The way the FAA is funded is through user fees collected on passenger tickets. The airlines only really lobby against those going up. They probably won't go up, they will just pull money away from other areas.
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Huh I've flown them probably 30 times and rarely had an issue. They stopped service to my main destination so stopped using them about two years ago. It must have gone down hill around that time.
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I never had an issue with Frontier, though I haven't flown with them in a few years. Very affordable tickets.
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Driving to the airport, parking, and buying there costs just about as much, unless you're suggesting buying them the day of travel which is totally unrealistic.
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I never had an issue with Frontier, though I haven't flown with them in a few years. Very affordable tickets.
Frontier used to be really good. Now they're really average, and they've added ridiculous baggage fees. I can't justify flying Frontier anymore, when Southwest offers the same quality service to more destinations, at a considerably lower price.

I have no idea what their strategy is, and I'm not an airline executive, so maybe I'm the stupid one. But coming from someone who used to fly Frontier often, I won't even waste my time looking at their flights anymore; they're never even in the ballpark with Southwest.
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Frontier has taken the turn towards fees and crap customer service in the last year. They used to be my main choice. Now they are last resort.
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Frontier wants to be the new Spirit. That airline is going to **** quickly. They won't be around in 5 years

EDIT: I should say at their current rate they won't be around in 5 years.
I read an article the other day that puts Frontier in the top 5 by customers for service. That'll go a long ways to keep a service in business. Delta has taken #1. Southwest has really fallen. Never even heard of Spirit
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I read an article the other day that puts Frontier in the top 5 by customers for service. That'll go a long ways to keep a service in business. Delta has taken #1. Southwest has really fallen. Never even heard of Spirit
That will change.... Already is

You can find articles that say several airlines are tops

Here is JD Power for 2013 it has Alaska

http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...sfaction-study

This article says Southwest

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...airlines.html/

USA Today has JetBlue #1 and Southwest #2
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...lines/8144891/


Nowhere have I seen southwest drop. So I am saying that your article probably isn't very accurate.

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