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Old 07-16-2013, 12:32 PM   #126
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Perhaps I'm naive, but as far as 2013 is concerned? No, i don't see how it'll affect the on the field product. The roster is basically set, the coaching staff is intact, and PM is taking snaps from center.
That's more accurate regarding solely 2013, but there's a LOT to get done regarding THIS season's team. Even if you JUST look at our pending roster cuts as well as potential waiver acquisitions from other teams, it's still a pretty big obstacle.
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That's more accurate regarding solely 2013, but there's a LOT to get done regarding THIS season's team. Even if you JUST look at our pending roster cuts as well as potential waiver acquisitions from other teams, it's still a pretty big obstacle.
The Broncos are deeper and more talented than they have ever been since their last SB run when Elway and Shanahan looked like football gods. This franchise got a lot of mileage out of those years and consequently, Shanny got a lot of extended time as the GM/HC. However this team, is much superior to any team Shanny put together post Elway. That has everything to do with some solid drafts and retaining the talent that was already on the team (except for doom) an good FA moves culminating with Manning.

Sure, there's been some bumps in the road but I feel very good about this team and I'm excited for the future.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:41 PM   #128
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Finally the truth is known. The 20,000 posts on the Orangemane, doing post game podcasts. Watching the Broncos for 28 years. Being a moderator on a Broncos fan board. All lies.

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Old 07-16-2013, 12:42 PM   #129
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Do me a favor. I'll be back on and about three hours and I will have detailed responses to all your allegedly pro-Elway comments. My favorites so far are...

Some point to ponder: Willis McGahee, Keith Brookings, Dan Koppen and Trindon Holliday just for starters...many more to come











Keith Brookings is a FA success? You are kidding, right?
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:46 PM   #130
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The Broncos are deeper and more talented than they have ever been since their last SB run when Elway and Shanahan looked like football gods. This franchise got a lot of mileage out of those years and consequently, Shanny got a lot of extended time as the GM/HC. However this team, is much superior to any team Shanny put together post Elway. That has everything to do with some solid drafts and retaining the talent that was already on the team (except for doom) an good FA moves culminating with Manning.

Sure, there's been some bumps in the road but I feel very good about this team and I'm excited for the future.
So you agree with every word I said?
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Keith Brookings is a FA success? You are kidding, right?
Not only that, but in the post he clipped that from (out of context, of course), I was discussing our big $ FA signings, not guys making less than 10% more than the vet minimum.
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So you agree with every word I said?
I'm referring to you post about roster cuts and waiver wire acquisitions. This is a pretty deep Broncos team so things like making cuts are not as critical and Heckert should be back in time for this process, along with any possible waiver wire pick ups. As for losing Russell, he's more involved with the college scouting and I'm not so sure his absence will be a big deal until--maybe--the college football season starts. But even then, he can still "scout" in an unofficial sense, he just won't be getting paid to do it. I mean, he can turn on a tv and watch college ball too lol.
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I'm referring to you post about roster cuts and waiver wire acquisitions. This is a pretty deep Broncos team so things like making cuts are not as critical and Heckert should be back in time for this process, along with any possible waiver wire pick ups. As for losing Russell, he's more involved with the college scouting and I'm not so sure his absence will be a big deal until--maybe--the college football season starts. But even then, he can still "scout" in an unofficial sense, he just won't be getting paid to do it. I mean, he can turn on a tv and watch college ball too lol.
Ah, yes, that's a good point regarding the depth then.

As for Russell not being a big deal until the college season, you realize it's mid-June, and that's 2 weeks away, yes?
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Ah, yes, that's a good point regarding the depth then.

As for Russell not being a big deal until the college season, you realize it's mid-June, and that's 2 weeks away, yes?
true, but who knows what Russell will be doing while he is off the pay roll. If he's smart, he will attend and pass any substance abuse programs and dive all the rest of his time into being an independent scout, doing his damn job, and prepping himself to come back and resume his position with the team.

But then again, there is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an schnapps binge:

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Old 07-16-2013, 01:10 PM   #135
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I have my doubts that either Russell or Heckert are really going to stop doing their jobs while suspended. Maybe they won't be doing it at Dove Valley, but lets be real here there is really no way the NFL can police this like they do the players.
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Ah, yes, that's a good point regarding the depth then.

As for Russell not being a big deal until the college season, you realize it's mid-June, and that's 2 weeks away, yes?

It's mid June wow we get to re-live 4 weeks, God is good.
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true, but who knows what Russell will be doing while he is off the pay roll. If he's smart, he will attend and pass any substance abuse programs and dive all the rest of his time into being an independent scout, doing his damn job, and prepping himself to come back and resume his position with the team.

But then again, there is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an schnapps binge
Haha, agree on the substance abuse programs, but he won't have access to ANY scouting resources.

Can you imagine the **** fit the league would throw if they even find a phone call between him and a regional scout or a collegiate team?
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The league didn't suspend them the Broncos organization did.
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The league didn't suspend them the Broncos organization did.
Doesn't matter.

The league accepted the Broncos terms of punishment. If you think Goodell won't throw a shiat fit if he finds that Heckert or Russell circumvented their terms of punishment, then you are delusional.
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Carter was fantastic in 2011 and Moore really did play well last year. Considering it's a cerebral position, they should progress by leaps and bounds. And they didn't benefit a ton from pressure when blitzers left a lot of extra ground to cover.

I agree about great GM's showing off their talents in April, but while you consider this a failing of Elway in reality it has been two years (seriously, last ****ing time I repeat myself on this, please) AND IS TOO SOON TO TELL.
I don't think Elway has failed, but I just don't see how you can say he's one of best? I just can't put him over the 5 teams GM's that I listed (Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay and New York Giants).

Hard for me to really put Elway over the following GM's as well as they have done a great job with their respective teams.

Rick Smith (Texans)
Thomas Dimitroff (Falcons)...love the work he's done for that team
Trent Baalke (49ers)

Another one is Belichik. Another guy who I think has done a great job is Les Snead. He's only in his 2nd offseason but I love what they've done there in the 2 offseasons. They have had 2 really good looking drafts in a row, their FA was excellent and I believe Fischer was a good choice for HC.
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Rivers has been dog crap for a couple years now. You wouldn't know this though since you actually thought Croyle was the franchise QB for the queefs and they didn't need to address the issue anymore.
Remember that one time 7 months ago this board was making fun of Flacco, said he sucked, and then he owned you?

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Old 07-16-2013, 03:24 PM   #142
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Remember that one time 7 months ago this board was making fun of Flacco, said he sucked, and then he owned you?

Yeah we'll call it even.
Is this the same Flacco that wasn't worth KC's time to draft? I have already had this discussion with you he didn't own us in the playoffs. He made a couple great throws, got lucky on one and the rest of his throws were his normal dog poop.
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I don't think Elway has failed, but I just don't see how you can say he's one of best? I just can't put him over the 5 teams GM's that I listed (Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay and New York Giants).

Hard for me to really put Elway over the following GM's as well as they have done a great job with their respective teams.

Rick Smith (Texans)
Thomas Dimitroff (Falcons)...love the work he's done for that team
Trent Baalke (49ers)

Another one is Belichik. Another guy who I think has done a great job is Les Snead. He's only in his 2nd offseason but I love what they've done there in the 2 offseasons. They have had 2 really good looking drafts in a row, their FA was excellent and I believe Fischer was a good choice for HC.
Elway definitely deserves kudos for bringing in Manning and for drafting players like Von Miller. When your standard is winning the SB then the bar is pretty high.
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Elway definitely deserves kudos for bringing in Manning and for drafting players like Von Miller. When your standard is winning the SB then the bar is pretty high.
A monkey in a circus hat could have drafted Von Miller. It was a no brainer, common sense decision that was all about circumstance. Elway had nothing to do with the Broncos drafting 2nd overall. He just took over in a perfect situation.

Should we bow down to the Colts GM for drafting Luck with the first pick?
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A monkey in a circus hat could have drafted Von Miller. It was a no brainer, common sense decision that was all about circumstance. Elway had nothing to do with the Broncos drafting 2nd overall. He just took over in a perfect situation.

Should we bow down to the Colts GM for drafting Luck with the first pick?
Easy to say now. Miller wasn't the slam dunk #2 pick. In fact I bet I could go find the draft thread and you are probably making fun of Denver for drafting him.
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A monkey in a circus hat could have drafted Von Miller. It was a no brainer, common sense decision that was all about circumstance. Elway had nothing to do with the Broncos drafting 2nd overall. He just took over in a perfect situation.

Should we bow down to the Colts GM for drafting Luck with the first pick?
wrong, just wrong. Many people thought the Broncos should have drafted Marcell Dareus, not Von Miller, especially because the Broncos defensive line was considered a weakness.

You keep proving yourself to be a complete and utter tool.
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wrong, just wrong. Many people thought the Broncos should have drafted Marcell Dareus, not Von Miller, especially because the Broncos defensive line was considered a weakness.

You keep proving yourself to be a complete and utter tool.
When people are comparing Von Miller to Derrick Thomas, you take notice and you draft him. And you don't waste a second turning the card in.
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When people are comparing Von Miller to Derrick Thomas, you take notice and you draft him. And you don't waste a second turning the card in.
He is DT without all the baby momma's. Like I said before he wasn't the slam dunk #2 pick. I just pulled up several mock drafts and he is mocked all over the top 10 picks.
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He is DT without all the baby momma's. Like I said before he wasn't the slam dunk #2 pick. I just pulled up several mock drafts and he is mocked all over the top 10 picks.
People had questions about him after the season, but the Senior Bowl was where he really solidified himself.

He blew everyone away.

And of course he could be in different draft slots on draft sites. AJ Green, Patrick Peterson and Julio Jones are top 5 players at their positions already. Everybody knew these guys were going to be special just like Von.

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