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Old 05-16-2014, 08:11 AM   #326
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Like King Carl, we'll find out just how good of a GM Elway is when he doesn't have a HOF QB carrying the load.

Gonna be interesting
Elway doesn't get credit for replacing a bum like Tebow?
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:27 AM   #327
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Elway doesn't get credit for replacing a bum like Tebow?
Its arguably his best move to date and, considering the rabid fan base, one of the best moves to pull off all time without creating a mutiny
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:28 AM   #328
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Elway doesn't get credit for replacing a bum like Tebow?
That's something a GM should do. Everyone knew Tebow wasn't the long term answer
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:31 AM   #329
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You're assuming that Manning is doing the drafting and the signing of free agents, then?
Manning makes everybody look better and has for years. When he plays bad the entire team falls apart.

This isn't rocket science.
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You dont use this for other GM's having a great QB?

Shocking.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:31 AM   #331
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That's something a GM should do. Everyone knew Tebow wasn't the long term answer
Maybe so but he could have been a back up and Brock's 2nd round pick could have been used on David the stud linebacker at a position of need still today.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:32 AM   #332
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Manning makes everybody look better and has for years. When he plays bad the entire team falls apart.

This isn't rocket science.
Except Indy built flawed teams.

Not saying Den is a SB-contender without Manning but they'd still compete for the playoffs most years depending who the QB is.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:37 AM   #333
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You dont use this for other GM's having a great QB?

Shocking.
You missed the post where I listed king Carl didn't you?
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:38 AM   #334
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Maybe so but he could have been a back up and Brock's 2nd round pick could have been used on David the stud linebacker at a position of need still today.
Say Brock is the QB this year. How do you think your team is compared to Manning, and against this schedule?
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:38 AM   #335
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Like King Carl, we'll find out just how good of a GM Elway is when he doesn't have a HOF QB carrying the load.

Gonna be interesting
You're dumb. GM's aren't responsible for wins or loses. They're responsible for getting talent on the team. Coaches and QBs are responsible for wins and loses.
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You're dumb. GM's aren't responsible for wins or loses. They're responsible for getting talent on the team. Coaches and QBs are responsible for wins and loses.
Who hires the coaches? Who drafts the players?

Talk about dumb.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:40 AM   #337
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You missed the post where I listed king Carl didn't you?
I was more-so talking the NE/NO's of the world.
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KC is the best at everything guys.
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That's something a GM should do. Everyone knew Tebow wasn't the long term answer
Elway doesn't get credit with landing Manning? It isn't like the Broncos were the only ones chasing after him.
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Say Brock is the QB this year. How do you think your team is compared to Manning, and against this schedule?
I think he would do alright and get better with every game. Denver coaches adjusted to Tebow and won a playoff game with him surely they can create a game plan that works for Brock.

The thing about the Broncos that gets overlooked is we have great position coaching in every spot, couple that with what is shaping up to be a great FO and the Broncos will do well every year going forward.

Elway is in the process of building a dynasty type team. We are going to be in the hunt every year.

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Old 05-16-2014, 09:12 AM   #341
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KC is the best at everything guys.
Yeah. The best at being the very 1st team to offer Manning a contract,and the 1st and only team to be completely ignored and laughed off by Manning.
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I think he would do alright and get better with every game. Denver coaches adjusted to Tebow and won a playoff game with him surely they can create a game plan that works for Brock.

The thing about the Broncos that gets overlooked is we have great position coaching in every spot, couple that with what is shaping up to be a great FO and the Broncos will do well every year going forward.

Elway is in the process of building a dynasty type team. We are going to be in the hunt every year.
Once manning retires there is no certainty of a dynasty. Especially since Ware, Welker and talib are short term and nobody knows what Brock is capable of.
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Elway doesn't get credit with landing Manning? It isn't like the Broncos were the only ones chasing after him.
A player like Manning being available very rarely happens. And since his drafts haven't helped that much overall says a lot.
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Once manning retires there is no certainty of a dynasty. Especially since Ware, Welker and talib are short term and nobody knows what Brock is capable of.
Time will tell. For the first time since the early Shanahan years I love out chances of fielding a competitive (playoff capable) team every year.
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That's something a GM should do. Everyone knew Tebow wasn't the long term answer
This is bull****. It was on the heels of a fan base that wanted him around and a playoff victory. Say what you want, but it was not the obvious thing to do, nor was replacing him the popular thing to do. Elway knew he had one play, get Manning. And he got it done. Don't diminish the decision with your BS hindsight

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A player like Manning being available very rarely happens. And since his drafts haven't helped that much overall says a lot.
You speak as if Peyton made 16 super bowls. The Broncos have talent around the roster. Obviously, we're not nearly as good without Peyton, just like NE wouldnt be as good without Brady, NO without Brees, the colts without Luck and so on.
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Chief fans beginning of 2011: " Elway is an idiot! I can't wait to watch this freak show!"

Chief fans end of 2011: "Anyone could have won this crappy division. Winning a playoff game was just lucky....even if we haven't been able to since... But we have Crennel now! The team really responded to him at the end of the season. With our defense playing well, he can turn this 7-9 team into a the playoff contender we know we have."

Chief fans when Manning is a free agent: "Oh sweet! We can finally find a legit quarterback! This is going to be awesome!"

Chief fans after Manning signs with Broncos: "Good luck with that broken-neck loser! He went to the worst team ever. I mean they won a playoff game with Tim Tebow so they clearly suck. It's not like Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker are anything close to Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison! We don't need a crappy has-been QB anyway. Crennel showed something those few games. The players believe in him!"

Chief fans at end of 2012 season. "We need to fire Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli! They are a weight bringing this team down! I can't believe Manning was able to play that well since he can only throw five yards down field to his right. He's still one hit away from being paralyzed. We need to injure him and their good players. That's the key. It may seem dirty but we all know we're hoping for it."

Chief fans after hiring Reid "Finally! We're going to take the league by storm! We had five pro-bowlers! Tampa Hali! Derrick Johnson! Dwayne Bowe! These are guys any team can't live without!"

Chief fans after opening the season 9-0 "Who are the '85 Bears? The 2000 Ravens wish they were us. Yeah, we've played 7 backup QB's in a row, and sure most will be without work next offseason, but we're not apologizing for being good! That's not OUR problem! The Broncos won't know what hit them!"

Chief fans after losing twice to the Broncos in a month and finishing the season 2-6, including a heart-breaking loss in the playoffs "We just had some injuries! Alex Smith showed me something those last few games. Once we tweak a bit, things will get better. The Broncos losing in the SB was so much fun! Granted, they've won as many playoff games in a couple years as we've won since the merger, and sure, they'be basically three-peated the division, but we have Reid and Alex Smith!"

Chief fans after the draft "We got some good players! They're going to put us over the top. We don't need Bowe and Hali. They were never any good and now we have several starters. We know this just because we do. The Broncos suck. Once Manning is gone they'll be lucky to win two games. There isn't a single player on their roster who is better than a Chiefs player except for Manning."
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A player like Manning being available very rarely happens. And since his drafts haven't helped that much overall says a lot.
Are you that stupid? I know you are but you can't be that ignorant are you? Do you realize how many starters Elway has drafted? Let's not mention his FA acquisitions and fixing Denver's cap problems. You just argue to argue. Answer this outside of Seattle who has drafted as many key starters as Elway?
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A player like Manning being available very rarely happens. And since his drafts haven't helped that much overall says a lot.
They have 9-11 starters from 3 of Elway's drafts.

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KC talking trash about the draft is cute. Only a handful of people would draft a tackle number one overall when you have a top tier left tackle on the roster. Even less will let that tackle walk the next year for nothing in return.
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