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Old 05-16-2014, 09:40 AM   #301
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A player like Manning being available very rarely happens. And since his drafts haven't helped that much overall says a lot.
You speak as if Peyton made 16 super bowls. The Broncos have talent around the roster. Obviously, we're not nearly as good without Peyton, just like NE wouldnt be as good without Brady, NO without Brees, the colts without Luck and so on.
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Old 05-16-2014, 09:46 AM   #302
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Chief fans beginning of 2011: " Elway is an idiot! I can't wait to watch this freak show!"

Chief fans end of 2011: "Anyone could have won this crappy division. Winning a playoff game was just lucky....even if we haven't been able to since... But we have Crennel now! The team really responded to him at the end of the season. With our defense playing well, he can turn this 7-9 team into a the playoff contender we know we have."

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Chief fans after Manning signs with Broncos: "Good luck with that broken-neck loser! He went to the worst team ever. I mean they won a playoff game with Tim Tebow so they clearly suck. It's not like Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker are anything close to Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison! We don't need a crappy has-been QB anyway. Crennel showed something those few games. The players believe in him!"

Chief fans at end of 2012 season. "We need to fire Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli! They are a weight bringing this team down! I can't believe Manning was able to play that well since he can only throw five yards down field to his right. He's still one hit away from being paralyzed. We need to injure him and their good players. That's the key. It may seem dirty but we all know we're hoping for it."

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Chief fans after losing twice to the Broncos in a month and finishing the season 2-6, including a heart-breaking loss in the playoffs "We just had some injuries! Alex Smith showed me something those last few games. Once we tweak a bit, things will get better. The Broncos losing in the SB was so much fun! Granted, they've won as many playoff games in a couple years as we've won since the merger, and sure, they'be basically three-peated the division, but we have Reid and Alex Smith!"

Chief fans after the draft "We got some good players! They're going to put us over the top. We don't need Bowe and Hali. They were never any good and now we have several starters. We know this just because we do. The Broncos suck. Once Manning is gone they'll be lucky to win two games. There isn't a single player on their roster who is better than a Chiefs player except for Manning."
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Old 05-16-2014, 09:48 AM   #303
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A player like Manning being available very rarely happens. And since his drafts haven't helped that much overall says a lot.
Are you that stupid? I know you are but you can't be that ignorant are you? Do you realize how many starters Elway has drafted? Let's not mention his FA acquisitions and fixing Denver's cap problems. You just argue to argue. Answer this outside of Seattle who has drafted as many key starters as Elway?
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A player like Manning being available very rarely happens. And since his drafts haven't helped that much overall says a lot.
They have 9-11 starters from 3 of Elway's drafts.

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KC talking trash about the draft is cute. Only a handful of people would draft a tackle number one overall when you have a top tier left tackle on the roster. Even less will let that tackle walk the next year for nothing in return.
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Say what you want, but it was not the obvious thing to do, nor was replacing him the popular thing to do. Elway knew he had one play, get Manning. And he got it done. Don't diminish the decision with your BS hindsight
To be fair, about 25 teams in the league would have signed Manning given the chance.

I think it was pretty obvious.
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Chief fans after the draft "We got some good players! They're going to put us over the top. We don't need Bowe and Hali. They were never any good and now we have several starters. We know this just because we do. The Broncos suck. Once Manning is gone they'll be lucky to win two games. There isn't a single player on their roster who is better than a Chiefs player except for Manning."
Don't forget the whole 'We can finally get rid of Brandon Flowers!' celebration.
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To be fair, about 25 teams in the league would have signed Manning given the chance.

I think it was pretty obvious.
Who was the very 1st team that immediately offered a contract moments after Peyton became a FA?
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To be fair, about 25 teams in the league would have signed Manning given the chance.

I think it was pretty obvious.
The main thing is Elway is smart enough to find a franchise QB. KC has never had one in the history of the franchise. Elway knows what he is doing while KC just fires GM and HC'S every few years to start the process of hope up again.

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Old 05-16-2014, 10:26 AM   #310
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To be fair, about 25 teams in the league would have signed Manning given the chance.

I think it was pretty obvious.
I disagree it was obvious. I mean, obviously you'd rather have PM than Tebow, but TT was a guy that energized a fan base, probably made the team a lot of money, and brought them their first playoff win in years. Elway stuck to his guns and threw his hat in the Manning sweepstakes without knowing the conclusion. THIS was going "all in."

It was the CORRECT choice, but I don't think it was the OBVIOUS choice.
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Are you that stupid? I know you are but you can't be that ignorant are you? Do you realize how many starters Elway has drafted? Let's not mention his FA acquisitions and fixing Denver's cap problems. You just argue to argue. Answer this outside of Seattle who has drafted as many key starters as Elway?
Just because a player is starting for your team doesn't mean he is an amazingly talented player in the league.

Lots of GM's have drafted quality starters. Ted Thompson, Jerry Reese, Trent Baalke (he had a major hand in drafting players before he was GM in 2011. Still played a big role).
Dimitroff has done a great job drafting in Atlanta. Mike Brown/Marvin Lewis have done a nice job drafting good players in Cincy making them one of the most overall talented teams in the league.

I do think Tom Telesco is off to a nice start in San Diego too. Of course it's too early to judge completely.
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The main thing is Elway is smart enough to find a franchise QB. KC has never had one in the history of tbe franchise. Elway knows what he is doing while KC just fires GM and HC'S every few years to start the process of hope up again.
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I disagree it was obvious. I mean, obviously you'd rather have PM than Tebow, but TT was a guy that energized a fan base, probably made the team a lot of money, and brought them their first playoff win in years. Elway stuck to his guns and threw his hat in the Manning sweepstakes without knowing the conclusion. THIS was going "all in."

It was the CORRECT choice, but I don't think it was the OBVIOUS choice.
I love Tim Tebow and will forever believe he didn't get an honest chance to show what he could become here, but it was obvious, obvious, obvious, obvious, obvious, obvious, obvious, obvious, obvious all day long.

I realize that I am perhaps splitting hairs here. I apologize.
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Just because a player is starting for your team doesn't mean he is an amazingly talented player in the league.
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It must mean he a starter quality if the team is in the superbowl and half of the starters are drafted by the current regime. Teams want to get 3 starters out of each draft and Elway has done a great job at that. Why don't you list the draft picks of the GM's you mentioned in your last post or quit being so ignorant. You know that Elway has done a fantastic job since taking over.
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Thomas Dimitroff has been landing about 1 starter per draft maybe 2. He is so good that Atlanta had 1 draft pick in this deep draft. He has also had the luxury of drafting high a couple times. Elway has had the luxury of low draft picks all but Von Miller year.
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To be fair, about 25 teams in the league would have signed Manning given the chance.

I think it was pretty obvious.
No one knew if he would be able to play again, not to this level.

Especially with Tebow coming off winning a playoff game. I was for the move but even as a big Manning fan, i had doubts.
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Just because a player is starting for your team doesn't mean he is an amazingly talented player in the league.

Lots of GM's have drafted quality starters. Ted Thompson, Jerry Reese, Trent Baalke (he had a major hand in drafting players before he was GM in 2011. Still played a big role).
Dimitroff has done a great job drafting in Atlanta. Mike Brown/Marvin Lewis have done a nice job drafting good players in Cincy making them one of the most overall talented teams in the league.

I do think Tom Telesco is off to a nice start in San Diego too. Of course it's too early to judge completely.
Reese and Dimitroff havent had good drafts lately.

Reese has had some bad picks but overall not bad.

Falcons cant draft outside of the first 2 rounds to save their life. Dimitroff is a terrible drafter, although this draft looks to be really good for them.

3 starters per draft is usually pretty good, 2 isnt bad, if you get 4-5+, you had an insane draft.
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Denver Post sports writer Mike Klis posts his Broncos Mailbag monthly during the offseason.



Mike - With free agency and the three-day NFL bender (a.k.a. the NFL draft) in the books, care to ruminate on John Elway's apparent magnetic ability to lure high-caliber free agents to the club? Do you lend any credence to the theory No. 7's Hall of Fame NFL resume helps attract star free agents? Or do those chunky front-loaded contracts the Broncos' front office seems to favor handing out play more of a deciding factor in your opinion?
-- Lance, Colorado Springs


Lance - I do think when a free agent gets a call from John Elway, it helps close the deal. But in my experience of covering free agency in both baseball and football, 90 percent of decisions are based on money.

The free agents always say it isn't about the money. Then you look at the contract they receive and dig out what others were offering and it was about the money.

It's more true in football than baseball. There is a greater sense of urgency among football players to get the money when they can. For two reasons. One, the salary-cap system means the day will come when they get whacked because of money. So fair is fair. And two, the players' relatively short careers.

A guy like Wesley Woodyard, for instance, gets one chance to make good dough. He took it with Tennessee.

Peyton Manning was the only high-profile free agent I covered where money wasn't a factor. All teams recruiting him knew the parameters of his deal, as set by his agent Tom Condon, was five years and $90 million. The Broncos sweetened the deal to $96 million but there were reports Tennessee's late owner Bud Adams offered $25 million a year, or $125 million over five years.

When the money is assured, money isn't the issue. Elway was one reason why Manning chose Denver. So was John Fox.

So was Ryan Clady and Demaryius Thomas. So was Brandon Stokley and Todd Helton and Colorado's quality of life.


Read more: Broncos Mailbag: How persuasive is John Elway during free agency? - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncosmai...#ixzz33n1EVkhm
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Thomas Dimitroff has been landing about 1 starter per draft maybe 2. He is so good that Atlanta had 1 draft pick in this deep draft. He has also had the luxury of drafting high a couple times. Elway has had the luxury of low draft picks all but Von Miller year.
Huh? Say what? Vice versa or verse vice or, never mind confusing.
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Huh? Say what? Vice versa or verse vice or, never mind confusing.
Yeah it was I meant Denver always selecting late in each round.
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Mike - With free agency and the three-day NFL bender (a.k.a. the NFL draft) in the books, care to ruminate on John Elway's apparent magnetic ability to lure high-caliber free agents to the club? Do you lend any credence to the theory No. 7's Hall of Fame NFL resume helps attract star free agents? Or do those chunky front-loaded contracts the Broncos' front office seems to favor handing out play more of a deciding factor in your opinion?
-- Lance, Colorado Springs


Lance - I do think when a free agent gets a call from John Elway, it helps close the deal. But in my experience of covering free agency in both baseball and football, 90 percent of decisions are based on money.

The free agents always say it isn't about the money. Then you look at the contract they receive and dig out what others were offering and it was about the money.

It's more true in football than baseball. There is a greater sense of urgency among football players to get the money when they can. For two reasons. One, the salary-cap system means the day will come when they get whacked because of money. So fair is fair. And two, the players' relatively short careers.

A guy like Wesley Woodyard, for instance, gets one chance to make good dough. He took it with Tennessee.

Peyton Manning was the only high-profile free agent I covered where money wasn't a factor. All teams recruiting him knew the parameters of his deal, as set by his agent Tom Condon, was five years and $90 million. The Broncos sweetened the deal to $96 million but there were reports Tennessee's late owner Bud Adams offered $25 million a year, or $125 million over five years.

When the money is assured, money isn't the issue. Elway was one reason why Manning chose Denver. So was John Fox.

So was Ryan Clady and Demaryius Thomas. So was Brandon Stokley and Todd Helton and Colorado's quality of life.


Read more: Broncos Mailbag: How persuasive is John Elway during free agency? - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncosmai...#ixzz33n1EVkhm
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It tends to amaze me that people forget Fox was one of the reasons Peyton picked Denver. They remember Elway and just gloss over Fox.
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I wonder if he regrets not meeting with Pete Carroll now.
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I wonder if he regrets not meeting with Pete Carroll now.
Considering he was never likely to leave the AFC I doubt it.
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I wonder if he regrets not meeting with Pete Carroll now.
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