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Old 07-01-2013, 07:22 AM   #76
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If Martin was pounding his head into the concrete and Zimmerman felt his life was in danger, then deadly force was justified.
GZ started it..he could have just left the kid alone. The kid doesn't look like a thug and was just walking.

GZ thought he was some kind of HoA delta force, got his ass handed to him and then shot the kid he started a fight with. He should be locked up forever.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:24 AM   #77
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GZ started it..Not true or at least that fact is not knownhe could have just left the kid alone. The kid was displaying odd behavior according to Zimmerman and there is nothing wrong with Zimmerman investigating it The kid doesn't look like a thug and was just walking. Completely subjective and irrelevant

GZ thought he was some kind of HoA delta forcePerhaps, but not illegal, got his ass handed to him and then shot the kid he started a fight withAgain, Zimmerman says the kid started the actual fight. He should be locked up forever.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:26 AM   #78
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Not if Martin was himself in self-defense modeAssuming Martin started the fight, then Martin committed the illegal act. Remember, it was Zimmerman who was armed and initiated the pursuit of MartinFollowing someone is not illegal and it does not give Martin the right to start punching people. As I said earlier, by that logic, a mugger who has the tables turned on him by his victim could then shoot that victim and claim self-defenseYou analogy doesn't fit the situation.
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Two things:

1) He put himself in that situation.
2) Define feeling "your life is in danger?" Anytime you fight, is your life in danger? Maybe in the struggle, he took a couple shots to the head and then shot him. In fact, if his life was in danger to the point where he was getting his head bashed into a sidewalk...how did he have the wherwithall to grab his gun and shoot him.
You're really struggling with this, IMO. My only advice to you is to try and experience it yourself.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:45 AM   #80
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You shoot the guy when you feel you are losing control and he will serious injure or kill you. Obviously if you wait until he has seriously injured you then you probably can't get the gun out.

Cops shoot people and call it fear for life for way less so the govt set a low standard IMO.
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Treyvon Martin is a thug. I don't think he deserved to die, though.
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Treyvon Martin is a thug. I don't think he deserved to die, though.
I wouldn't even describe him that way. Based off what I read he's a typical kid having parental issues.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:11 AM   #83
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I wouldn't even describe him that way. Based off what I read he's a typical kid having parental issues.
Yeah, he doesn't have them anymore.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:23 PM   #84
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I wouldn't even describe him that way. Based off what I read he's a typical kid having parental issues.
Depends on which Trayvon Martin you're talking about...

This one that the media shows everyday -



or the one that Zimmerman more than likely encountered that night -

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again, the media tends to distort things on purpose -

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So, as far as errand is concerned, the clean-cut picture of Zimmerman is the "real Zimmerman" (and the top pic presumably an aberration) and the baggy shorts/flipping off the camera pic is the "real Trayvon" (and therefore proves he's a thug who deserved to get shot). Your hood is showing (again), errand.
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The only pic that is a problem is the one showing martin obviously struggling with if he wanted to be a thug or not. The picture went along with statements that were pretty street inferno. Not like he was some eagle scout.
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The only pic that is a problem is the one showing martin obviously struggling with if he wanted to be a thug or not. The picture went along with statements that were pretty street inferno. Not like he was some eagle scout.
The point is that people like errand see the clean cut photo of Zimmerman as the reality (and his prison pic an aberration), but the "thug" photo of Martin is the "real Martin" and the nicer pic the aberration. Wearing baggy shorts and talking "street" (lol) may be silly or annoying, but it doesn't mean he was an "actual" thug who deserved to get shot (which is the implication).
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I don't think he deserved to get shot either.
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He was just a stupid kid on the wrong path who got far more then he deserved. The question now is how much punishment does Zimmerman deserve. Does he have a legitmate defense that he killed because he thought he was in the process of losing a fight for his life. And who started the actual violence when the confrontation started.
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Kill him.
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Zimmerman's trial is on day 2 (and it's all over the news around here, I don't live that far from it). I'll make this prediction based on 2 days of the trial - Zimmerman will walk, easily. The state has no case and should have never brought the charges in the first place (maybe a manslaughter charge would have been better, but no way they're getting Murder 2).

The state's opening has been generally ridiculed and no one knows what they are trying to do other than give speculation on GZ state of mind and nothing else. One of the prosecution's witnesses yesterday was much, MUCH better for the defense than they were for the state. I can't believe they even called her to testify.

It's over. I don't see any path for the state to make their charges stick.
Yes, it was easy to see from Day 2. The state had no case (hence why the locals didn't bring charges and it took political pressure and a hack prosecutor Corey to get it to a courtroom).
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The woman in the video should have been living in a bunker. If she had, her daughter and herself would not have been harmed. But she stupidly had a door on her house and was just inviting that poor black man who had no choice but to kick it in and attack her considering what happened to his ancestors and because all republicans are all evil, rich racist white guys. She was just asking for it and hopefully learns to bolt herself up and never leave her house since there people out there that just can't help themselves. Scary thing is there are people out there that believe that crap.
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Did they ever catch the robber?
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They violated her civil rights. Cmon justice dept do something about it.
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civil rights.

white people better be civil and blacks get all the rights. Latinos should be pissed they don't get the same treatment from the govt IMO. Civil Rights in this country is about one thing. Placating black leaders so they will stay off your backs, and pandering to the black voter.
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