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Old 07-16-2013, 09:42 AM   #751
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Jessie Jackson goes on CNN & tries to throw gas on the fire by saying 5 white women are not a fair representation of TM peers.

Am I missing something? I thought GZ was on trial not TM. What happended to the defendant being tried by his or her piers not the victim. And that county is something around 90% White\Hispanic regardless. What do you expect.

I guess the looting, rioting & burning is not up to the race-baiters expectations. Stoke them flames...
Jackson's own son is a criminal. He's an idiot.
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Jessie Jackson goes on CNN & tries to throw gas on the fire by saying 5 white women are not a fair representation of TM peers.

Am I missing something? I thought GZ was on trial not TM. What happended to the defendant being tried by his or her piers not the victim. And that county is something around 90% White\Hispanic regardless. What do you expect.

I guess the looting, rioting & burning is not up to the race-baiters expectations. Stoke them flames...

The peers of the defendant should also qualify as peers of the deceased and when they don't you have a racially divided nation.
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This is interesting as well.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...#ixzz2ZDxQPket

Trayvon Martin was killed by a single round from George Zimmerman's Kel-Tec 9mm, fired from an intermediate distance (1-18 inches) while Trayvon Martin was beating Zimmerman MMA style.

This incident took place on the evening of February 26, 2012.

A moment in time pounced upon by the U.S. mainstream media, the nation's venomous and perpetual Grievance Industry and the current Administration. Producing an avalanche of politically correct opinion, judicial malfeasance, political arm twisting, calls for vengeance, threats, intimidation and under the table maneuverings among political players.

The resulting hypocrisy is nothing less than staggering. It is eye opening to compare the Zimmerman ordeal to other notable acts of violence during the same period of time.

Between February 12, 2012 and the Verdict -

Chicago: 2012: February through December 500 homicides. Virtually all young black men near to the same profile as Trayvon Martin.

2013: By the beginning of July the city already had 200 homicides. 2,670 people shot for a total of 7.3 gunshot victims every day.

Grievance Industry? (crickets)
Mainstream Media? (crickets)

Notable U.S. City homicide rates - 2011 Stats

1. New Orleans - 199 homicides
2. Detroit - 411 homicides
3. St. Louis - 113 homicides
4. Baltimore - 217 homicides
5. Philadelphia - 331 homicides
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A better idea is to offer enough incentive so that people won't try to get out of jury duty. The philosophy behind the 6th amendment is to be judged impartially by your peers. That's an essential part of liberty. Professional jurists would become career bureaucrats, easily corrupted, less impartial than your peers.
These jurists in this trial are not stupid people. They took it seriously by all accounts. Our justice system in this regard is working as it should.
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I agree with this professor; The American media, especially NBC, should be charged with malpractice over this case. One of the worst performances by so-called "journalists" that I've ever seen. Huffpost sank beneath the level of the National Enquirer. I closed my membership over there and deleted my page. We've gone back to the Hearst days of inflammatory rhetoric based on nothing but the lust for ratings points.

BTW, I had never heard that the prosecution had evidence that a week before this case Trayvon had been texting that he had learned a new fighting trick and the first thing he would do upon starting a fight would be to punch somebody in the nose. There were also numerous incidences of him texting about how he loved to fight. And the fact that the special prosecutor did not include that kind of info in the original affidavit to a judge for a murder indictment is also malfeasance. She fired the police chief who refused to file murder charges and then she sends in a doctored affidavit to get an indictment? And deletes half the evidence? Why aren't charges being brought against her?

This case reminds me of that great film The Oxbow Incident. There was a faction in this country that was determined to hang George Zimmerman and they just had to figure out how they were going to get it done, whether the facts were on their side or not. And they haven't stopped yet. Now they want the Feds to do it for them. Like this professor pointed out, the FBI already conducted an investigation into this case, questioning everybody who knows Zimmerman, and found no cause to file a civil rights indictment (I hadn't heard that either, more malfeasance from our award winning "news" media). But the lynch mob wants to now bypass the FBI too and just put political pressure on Obama until he caves and files an federal indictment. **** the law! We want a hanging!
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I agree with this professor; The American media, especially NBC, should be charged with malpractice over this case. One of the worst performances by so-called "journalists" that I've ever seen. Huffpost sank beneath the level of the National Enquirer. I closed my membership over there and deleted my page. We've gone back to the Hearst days of inflammatory rhetoric based on nothing but the lust for ratings points.

BTW, I had never heard that the prosecution had evidence that a week before this case Trayvon had been texting that he had learned a new fighting trick and the first thing he would do upon starting a fight would be to punch somebody in the nose. There were also numerous incidences of him texting about how he loved to fight. And the fact that the special prosecutor did not include that kind of info in the original affidavit to a judge for a murder indictment is also malfeasance. She fired the police chief who refused to file murder charges and then she sends in a doctored affidavit to get an indictment? And deletes half the evidence? Why aren't charges being brought against her?

This case reminds me of that great film The Oxbow Incident. There was a faction in this country that was determined to hang George Zimmerman and they just had to figure out how they were going to get it done, whether the facts were on their side or not. And they haven't stopped yet. Now they want the Feds to do it for them. Like this professor pointed out, the FBI already conducted an investigation into this case, questioning everybody who knows Zimmerman, and found no cause to file a civil rights indictment (I hadn't heard that either, more malfeasance from our award winning "news" media). But the lynch mob wants to now bypass the FBI too and just put political pressure on Obama until he caves and files an federal indictment. **** the law! We want a hanging!

It's classic yellow journalism.
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This is so true. It's only racist on one side of the fence.
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The stupid continues.

Next up in FL.

Florida man shoots and kills 17-year-old teen after argument over loud music at gas station

Michael Dunn, 45, shot and killed teen Jordan Davis in Jacksonville on Friday, cops said. His lawyer said he acted in self-defense, drawing comparisons to the Trayvon Martin case.




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A Florida man asked a group of teens at a gas station to turn down the loud music blaring from their car and, after an exchange of words, opened fire on the vehicle, killing a 17-year-old boy, authorities said.

Michael Dunn, 45, of Satellite Beach, has been charged with murder for the Friday slaying of Jordan Davis, 17, a black high school student from the Jacksonville area.
His lawyer said Dunn, who is white, thought he saw a gun and felt threatened during the incident, indicating that he may seek protection under the state’s controversial Stand Your Ground Law, according to local reports.

"Self defense applies because Mr. Dunn was threatened," attorney Robin Lemonidis told CNN.
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The stupid continues.

Next up in FL.

Florida man shoots and kills 17-year-old teen after argument over loud music at gas station

Michael Dunn, 45, shot and killed teen Jordan Davis in Jacksonville on Friday, cops said. His lawyer said he acted in self-defense, drawing comparisons to the Trayvon Martin case.




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Judging by the report, he has no chance with that defense.
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I agree with this professor; The American media, especially NBC, should be charged with malpractice over this case. One of the worst performances by so-called "journalists" that I've ever seen. Huffpost sank beneath the level of the National Enquirer. I closed my membership over there and deleted my page. We've gone back to the Hearst days of inflammatory rhetoric based on nothing but the lust for ratings points.

BTW, I had never heard that the prosecution had evidence that a week before this case Trayvon had been texting that he had learned a new fighting trick and the first thing he would do upon starting a fight would be to punch somebody in the nose. There were also numerous incidences of him texting about how he loved to fight. And the fact that the special prosecutor did not include that kind of info in the original affidavit to a judge for a murder indictment is also malfeasance. She fired the police chief who refused to file murder charges and then she sends in a doctored affidavit to get an indictment? And deletes half the evidence? Why aren't charges being brought against her?

This case reminds me of that great film The Oxbow Incident. There was a faction in this country that was determined to hang George Zimmerman and they just had to figure out how they were going to get it done, whether the facts were on their side or not. And they haven't stopped yet. Now they want the Feds to do it for them. Like this professor pointed out, the FBI already conducted an investigation into this case, questioning everybody who knows Zimmerman, and found no cause to file a civil rights indictment (I hadn't heard that either, more malfeasance from our award winning "news" media). But the lynch mob wants to now bypass the FBI too and just put political pressure on Obama until he caves and files an federal indictment. **** the law! We want a hanging!
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Juror B37 (the one who just did an interview on CNN gushing about how sympathetic Zimmerman was and how bad she felt for him...oh and also that dead kid a little bit too) already has a book contract. But not, she says, to make a quick, exploitive buck or anything. Nooo, she has great insight for all of us!

Oh, and her book agent is the same one that handled OJ's "If I Did It" book. Great people coming out of America's greatest state, what can you say?
She changed her mind.

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"Now that I am returned to my family and to society in general, I have realized that the best direction for me to go is away from writing any sort of book and return instead to my life as it was before I was called to sit on this jury," the juror said.
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Not to mention that 93% of black murders are a result of other black people killing them. What have the liberals done to improve any of this?
Obama and the Progressive Socialists might try rethinking their efforts to create a black vs. latino race riot, unless they want a bunch more Trayvon's.
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Why Did They Let Her on the Zimmerman Jury?

The strange, strange case of juror B37.


By Dahlia Lithwick|Posted Monday, July 15, 2013, at 6:40 PM


Defense attorney Mark O'Mara talks to prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda on the day of closing arguments in George Zimmerman's trial.
Photo by Joe Burbank-Pool/Getty Images



Less than two days after a Florida jury found George Zimmerman not guilty in the death of Trayvon Martin, juror B37, one of the six members of the anonymous panel, signed with a literary agent to shop her book about the trial.

The news comes with a bonus video: juror B37’s entire voir dire captured on film and promoted Monday by Gawker. The process by which counsel on each side of the case interviews prospective jurors is revealing in all kinds of ways and a useful lesson in the strengths and weaknesses of the jury system. In the case of B37, it is also a master class on how to not know anything about something everyone else knows about.

Start with the general observations already raised in Gawker: B37 consumes no media beyond the Today showno radio, no Internet news, and no newspapers used for anything but lining her parrot's cage. Perhaps because she does not consume any media, she was under the false belief that there were “riots” after the Martin shooting. She also described the Martin killing as "an unfortunate incident that happened."

But the tape raises another question that should be debated in every trial advocacy class in America: What were the lawyers, especially the prosecutors, thinking when they seated her? Why didn’t prosecutors use one of their peremptory challenges to nix her? She’s contrarian, she raised serious ontological doubts about the nature of truth-seeking, and she was only ever truly animated on the subject of rescue birds. Both lawyers were visibly cowed by her. I asked several prosecutors, former prosecutors, and public defenders to watch the video and report on the red flags it raised for them.

Almost all of them start with the same caveat: Jury selection is not jury selection. “It’s de-selection” explains Howard Lidsky, a board-certified criminal-law attorney in Florida. “It’s impossible to make a judgment about jury selection unless you’re seated in the room,” he says. “You have 18 people in the box and just six strikes. You may dislike a juror, but you might like the person sitting next to him even less.” Ken White is a former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney at Brown White and Newhouse in Los Angeles. He blogs at Popehat.com. He makes the same point: “Even if one prospective juror seems bad, you have a limited number of peremptories, and they may have judged the others as even worse. What was the alternative?”


Robert Weisberg teaches criminal law at Stanford Law School, and he immediately wonders what it meant when juror B37 asserted that “You never get all the information. How do you form an opinion if you don’t have all the information?" Weisberg sums up his lawyerly concerns in one sentence: “She thinks the world is one big reasonable doubt.”

Gail Brashers-Krug, a former federal prosecutor and law professor, is currently a criminal defense attorney in Iowa. She also jumped back when B37 said, ”You never get all the information.“ “That's exactly what a defense attorney loves to hear,” says Brashers-Krug. “That's reasonable doubt, right there. If I were a prosecutor, that would make me extremely nervous about her.” She adds that B37’s devotion to animals might raise flags for her as well. “The animal thing is weird. She doesn't know how many animals she has, and she mentions her animals far, far more than her two daughters. She strikes me as eccentric and unpredictable. I never, ever want eccentric, unpredictable people on a jury.”

Brashers-Krug has another reservation about seating B37: “She really wants to be a juror. She seems to be going out of her way to minimize the disruptive effect of a multiweek trial on her life. Jurors rarely do that. She is also taking pains to avoid saying anything particularly sympathetic to either side. Both sides tend to be very skeptical of jurors who are particularly eager to serve on high-profile cases. Often they have their own agendas, or are attention-seekers.”

What about the odd moment when B37 called Martin a “boy of color”? White says he wouldn’t read too much into it. “There's a tendency to over-emphasize what we believe to be the right nomenclature. In the context of the whole paragraph, her ’boy of color’ sounded like she was trying to use a dimly remembered correct nomenclature (’of color’ in vogue when I was in college), but not remembering the freight of ’boy.’ ... Sure, you strike people based on really clear examples of nomenclature. As a prosecutor in a hate crime case, I once struck someone who said ’I have no problem with African Americans or whatever you're supposed to call them these days.’ But most people don't live in our terminology-conscious bubble.”

Brashers-Krug further notes that jury selection in self-defense cases “tends to reverse the dynamic between prosecutors and defense lawyers.” As she sees it, “normally a prosecutor loves law-and-order types, elderly people, people who generally don't feel safe and want the police to protect them from the bad guys. In a self-defense case, though, that's the defense attorney's target juror.”

White also says he isn’t really bothered by B37’s contempt for the entire media: “Her comments about the media wouldn't have turned my head whatever side I was on. I think it's the prevailing American view, and not uncommon at all. I don't see how it's logical to trust Today and not other sources, but very little of our relationship with the media is logical, and mistrust is healthy.”

Watching B37 run rings around her interlocutors raises once again the fundamental question of what we achieve whenever we attempt to seat a juror who knows nothing whatsoever about a high-profile case. We are left with people who avoid any brushes with policy, law, or politics and—paradoxically—come to convince themselves (as does B37) that everything they will hear in the courtroom is truth. This is hardly a new problem. Mark Twain grumbled about it in Roughing It in 1864:
“In this age, when a gentleman of high social standing, intelligence and probity, swears that testimony given under solemn oath will outweigh, with him, street talk and newspaper reports based upon mere hearsay, he is worth a hundred jurymen who will swear to their own ignorance and stupidity, and justice would be far safer in his hands than in theirs. Why could not the jury law be so altered as to give men of brains and honesty and equal chance with fools and miscreants? Is it right to show the present favoritism to one class of men and inflict a disability on another, in a land whose boast is that all its citizens are free and equal?”
It’s not that juror B37 is a miscreant or a fool so much as a reflexive doubter that truth and facts are really knowable anymore. She speaks for the millions of Americans who believe that everyone is lying about something and the media lies about everything. The Internet, she explains, is for getting to the next level on Candy Crush Saga, not for getting information. And since everything is a lie, she doesn’t care enough to learn that the riots she believes to have happened did not. One wonders whether she would buy her own book about the truth behind the Zimmerman verdict.

In his day, Twain was fretting about seating juries comprised solely of “desperadoes … beer-house politicians … bar-keepers and ranchmen who could not read.” Today, I worry about seating jurors who believe that since everyone is lying and everything is a lie, facts are for lining the birdcage.
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Now we attack the jurors. What s sick country.
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blah blah blah And you refuse to watch the video. I'm shocked.

Keynesian policy created the middle class in America. So did progressive taxation. The kind of libertarian capitalism you espouse is simply king of the hill exploitation. The rich use their wealth to pile up more wealth. Monopoly, gouging, labor destruction and debt servants. That's what we have now. You should be pleased.
1. All Keynesian policy creates is asset bubbles and inflation, precisely the instruments which widen the gap between the rich and the poor.

2. Taxes are going up and the middle class is shrinking. But according to you government redistribution is the source of all wealth? Private enterprise is the source of wealth, bozo. Government exists to make sure that a healthy free market economy can exist.

3. You think all capitalism creates is monopoly, gouging, and labor destruction? Lol. You might want to put down the Communist Manifesto and study American history.

3. I see you and Bernanke both attended the Zimbabwean School of Economics. Good luck with that.
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Rachel Jeantel: Sixth Amendment “Old School”

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Appearing on the Piers Morgan show, the “friend, not-girlfriend” of Trayvon Martin, Rachel Jeantel, said the jury that acquitted George Zimmerman is “old school.”

“Well, the jury, they see their facts,” she said. “My thoughts of the jury, they old, that’s old school people. We in a new school, our generation, my generation.”
Morgan did not allow Jeantel to elaborate. He wandered off into the spelling of the word “cracker,” a derogatory word used to describe white people. During the Zimmerman trial, Jeantel insisted the word is not racist, but a cultural thing. This ludicrous idea was parroted by the liberal corporate media, the same media that said Paul Deen is a racist.
It shouldn’t be too difficult to decipher what Ms. Jeantel was getting at. She thinks it is “old school” to go into a jury box without prejudice and a political agenda. Her generation apparently wants to throw out vior dire – procedures used to weed out inappropriate potential jurors – and do away with the concept of peremptory challenge used to exclude bias during jury selection.
Considering the train wreck otherwise known as public education and the increasingly idiocratic character of American society, it should not be surprising that Jeantel and millions of other people from her generation are completely ignorant of the Sixth Amendment, or for that matter the totality of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It isn’t, however, merely Jeantel’s generation that is ignorant of the Constitution. Plenty of oldsters from the Baby Boomer generation also suffer from this tragic deficiency.
The Sixth Amendment reads as follows: “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.”
Jeantel and the Trayvon Martin mob, by and large, are not interested in justice or the rule of law. They are interested in racial retribution, a concept nursed along over the period of several decades by the liberal establishment and its philosophy of political correctness. Said to redress historical injustices in matters such as race, class, gender, and sexual orientation, political correctness now overrides the founding principles of our former republic. Some are more equal than others due to an ideologically skewed interpretation of history.
The Brit Piers Morgan, who has repeatedly demonstrated a contempt for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, deftly steered Rachel Jeantel away from elaborating her opinion that courts in the United States are “old school” and should be instead, like the courts of the Soviet Union or communist Cuba, forums for the excoriation of officially mandated enemies, not for justice.
Ms. Jeantel provided a glimpse of the new Red Terror. In the Soviet Union, the purpose of public trials was “not to demonstrate the existence or absence of a crime,” but to “provide yet another forum for political agitation and propaganda for the instruction of the citizenry,” as Richard Pipes explains.
The liberal version of Red Terror failed to produce the desired outcome. George Zimmerman was acquitted by an “old school” jury, a fact that has moved a violent idiocracy into the streets and has prompted the Justice Department to consider a double jeopardy show trial that will work to impose a politically correct outcome.
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Jury service was intended to be more or less the same pool as those who vote. There is a reason for that. Stop complaining about the jurors unless you're also prepared to start discussing the limiting of voting rights.

The justice system worked as intended in this case. I happen to be of the opinion that it is likely that Zimmerman wasn't as innocent as he pretended to be, but he is innocent until proven guilty, and should be afforded that right based on reasonable doubt. There was reasonable doubt in this case, and unfortunately we will never know what happened. The court of public opinion doesn't matter, it is only about the facts of the case. There were simply not enough facts to secure a conviction.

I also don't believe that this is a case that never should have gone to trial. Any time someone is shot and killed, there should be an arrest and/or investigation. If you remember, that is supposedly all Martin's parents were asking for in the first place. They got it, and rightfully so. But the decision of the jury is not up to them, and that should be the end of the story.
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Like I said, this case pushed all of America's crazy buttons.
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Appears to me that the main stream media is trying very hard to stir up a good old fashioned nation wide race riot.
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Not good for black people.
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Not good for black people.
Not good for any American except those that want to bring down the nation for their personal agenda which is drastically reduced global population and world dominance under a one world government. It is a necessary step to that end.
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This is so true. It's only racist on one side of the fence.
One difference is Marley wasn't beating the guy to death before he got shot.
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This is what Alan Dershowitz, a known liberal, had to say about this prosecutor and how this case got placed into the white/black storyline:

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Dershowitz goes on in another interview:

She (the prosecutor) submitted an affidavit that was, if not perjurious, completely misleading. She violated all kinds of rules of the profession, and her conduct bordered on criminal conduct. She, by the way, has a horrible reputation in Florida. She’s known for overcharging, she’s known for being highly political. And in this case, of course she overcharged. Halfway through the trial she realized she wasn’t going to get a second degree murder verdict, so she asked for a compromised verdict, for manslaughter. And then, she went even further and said that she was going to charge him with child abuse and felony murder. That was such a stretch that it goes beyond anything professionally responsible. She was among the most irresponsible prosecutors I’ve seen in 50 years of litigating cases, and believe me, I’ve seen good prosecutors, bad prosecutors, but rarely have I seen one as bad as this prosecutor, [Angela] Corey.
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