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Old 07-13-2013, 07:38 PM   #551
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Suppose Martin lived and Zimmerman died.

What are the odds that Martin would have been found not guilty?
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:40 PM   #552
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I totally didn't agree with 2nd degree murder. But one man has a gun, one doesn't? If, as some have said, the kid was going for the gun, that's still Zimmerman's fault. He should have been charged with something. There may be reasonable doubt about what actually happened but in the end the facts are that an unarmed kid is dead and an armed man is walking free.
Blame the prosecution. They overcharged from the start. This is what happens when the court process is controlled by political meddling.

BTW, I bet the prosecutor is going to get sanctions for some of the crap he pulled.
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:44 PM   #553
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Suppose Martin lived and Zimmerman died.

What are the odds that Martin would have been found not guilty?
Show trial brought at the behest of race baiters wouldn't have happened if the situation was reversed. Al Sharpton doesn't care about white Hispanics.
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:45 PM   #554
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Victory for community involvement and self defense. Sad that Trayvon died and Zimmerman will never be allowed to live a normal life because scum will forever threaten his life.
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:47 PM   #555
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Show trial brought at the behest of race baiters wouldn't have happened if the situation was reversed. Al Sharpton doesn't care about white Hispanics.
You didn't answer my question. Would a black kid be found "not guilty" in the death of a white guy?
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:49 PM   #556
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You didn't answer my question. Would a black kid be found "not guilty" in the death of a white guy?
Wouldn't have been a trial. Trumped up charge to begin with, so suck it.
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:50 PM   #557
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I Don't like the manipulation, but for what its worth, the US Govt considers white and hispanic one and the same.

My experience comes from lending and banking, HMDA questions lump hispanics with whites, however it also has a sub question about latino.
Actually that depends which agency you are talking about. I am characterized as a non-hispanic caucasian whenever I have to go across the border.
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:51 PM   #558
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I totally didn't agree with 2nd degree murder. But one man has a gun, one doesn't? If, as some have said, the kid was going for the gun, that's still Zimmerman's fault. He should have been charged with something. There may be reasonable doubt about what actually happened but in the end the facts are that an unarmed kid is dead and an armed man is walking free.
I never believed the whole reaching for the gun BS that the defense tried to us. Just because someone is reaching for the gun does not give a person the right to pull out the gun out of the holster and shot someone.

I will say that people seem to forget that being unarmed, doesn't mean you can not be lethal (e.g. boxers, MMA fighters, knives, bats, large rocks to the head, etc.). People can kill without a gun. I don't know if things really happen the way the defense said it did, but if it did and he was getting his ass stomped into the concert, then that sounds like a legit reason to pull the trigger.

EDIT: Damn, I got a whole lot of misspelling in this post. You know what I meant.

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Wouldn't have been a trial. Trumped up charge to begin with, so suck it.
You didn't answer my question. Would a black kid be found "not guilty" in the death of a white guy?
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Show trial brought at the behest of race baiters wouldn't have happened if the situation was reversed. Al Sharpton doesn't care about white Hispanics.
George Bush doesn't care about black people.
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I never believed the whole reaching for the gun BS that the defense tried to us. Just because someone is reaching for the gun does not give a person the right to pull out the gun out of the holster and shot someone.

I will say that people seem to forget that being unarmed, doesn't mean you can not be lethal (e.g. boxers, MMA fighters, knives, bats, large rocks to the head, etc.). People can kill without a gun. I don't know if things really happen the way the defense said it did, but if it did and he was getting his ass stomped into the concert, then that sounds like a legit reason to pull the trigger.
I will say 2 things for the self defense claim:

1. If you are getting beaten so hard you need to shoot to defend your life, you probably won't be able to pull out a gun and fire it with accuracy.

2. If all you have to show for a beating that was so dangerous is required you to shoot the other guy is a cut on your nose and some bumps and scratches then you weren't in any danger.

I don't know where he kept the holster, but I imagine it was a shoulder holster since he shouldn't have been able to reach a belt holster with someone sitting on top of him, but if you have your arms free to reach across your body, pull out a gun, disengage the safety, aim and pull the trigger then the person sitting on top of you is not a threat big enough that you need to kill him. I think anyone who has been in a fight would agree with that.
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Show trial brought at the behest of race baiters wouldn't have happened if the situation was reversed. Al Sharpton doesn't care about white Hispanics.
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I will say 2 things for the self defense claim:

1. If you are getting beaten so hard you need to shoot to defend your life, you probably won't be able to pull out a gun and fire it with accuracy.

2. If all you have to show for a beating that was so dangerous is required you to shoot the other guy is a cut on your nose and some bumps and scratches then you weren't in any danger.

I don't know where he kept the holster, but I imagine it was a shoulder holster since he shouldn't have been able to reach a belt holster with someone sitting on top of him, but if you have your arms free to reach across your body, pull out a gun, disengage the safety, aim and pull the trigger then the person sitting on top of you is not a threat big enough that you need to kill him. I think anyone who has been in a fight would agree with that.
I will say one thing about your post:
1. You obviously didn't follow the trial.
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I commend the six women on this jury. They were very brave, ignored all the noise, and followed the law.
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I will say 2 things for the self defense claim:

1. If you are getting beaten so hard you need to shoot to defend your life, you probably won't be able to pull out a gun and fire it with accuracy.

2. If all you have to show for a beating that was so dangerous is required you to shoot the other guy is a cut on your nose and some bumps and scratches then you weren't in any danger.

I don't know where he kept the holster, but I imagine it was a shoulder holster since he shouldn't have been able to reach a belt holster with someone sitting on top of him, but if you have your arms free to reach across your body, pull out a gun, disengage the safety, aim and pull the trigger then the person sitting on top of you is not a threat big enough that you need to kill him. I think anyone who has been in a fight would agree with that.
1. Really not hard to hit someone that is right on top of you. IF it really happened the way the defense says it did.

2. The law specifically states that you do not have to be injured, to believe your life is in mortal danger. For example, I'm not going to wait for someone to put a bullet in my leg or shoulder, before I pull the trigger. I want to get him, before he has a chance to get me.

I don't think he got off because of self-defense. I personally think it was because of reasonable doubt and that the prosecution didn't show that it was NOT justified.

I will also say that Trayvon Martin was racially profiled, and Zimmerman will always be a piece of **** for that. If he wasn't such a piece of ****, Trayvon would still be alive.

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Old 07-13-2013, 08:18 PM   #566
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This country should seriously be embarrassed over this verdict.

Martin should not be dead right now. He did not create a situation that led to his death, Zimmerman did. That's why that guy should in jail.
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"All we want is a trial". You got it now quit crying.
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I'd racially profile black men cutting yards at night if a parade of them had robbed my neighborhood over the past year.

Justice was served. Both men made bad decisions that night, but as the law goes, you cannot assault someone for following you, and a person being attacked has the right to defend themselves.
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This country should seriously be embarrassed over this verdict.

Martin should not be dead right now. He did not create a situation that led to his death, Zimmerman did. That's why that guy should in jail.
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"All we want is a trial". You got it now quit crying.
stfu. Welcome to ignore.
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**** you p***Y. Go cry some more.
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A just verdict. Case never should have been prosecuted.
I have no problem at all with the verdict BUT YOU are WRONG. He shot an unarmed man walking in the neighborhood.... How should he not have been prosecuted... He was found innocent and that is fine but considering the circumstances you cannot just look the other way and let him walk.
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I have no problem at all with the verdict BUT YOU are WRONG. He shot an unarmed man walking in the neighborhood.... How should he not have been prosecuted... He was found innocent and that is fine but considering the circumstances you cannot just look the other way and let him walk.
Wow! The different versions I have heard of this case are amazing. The jury of six women got ALL of the evidence. The police, who didn't want to file the case in the first place, saw ALL of the evidence. Zimmerman is, no doubt, an unsavory character, but you make it sound like Martin was just walking down the street and Zimmerman drove up and shot him. That's not what happened at all.

This case seems to have really hit America's crazy button. Anne Coulter is celebrating the verdict with a "Hallelujah" and Al Sharpton calls it an "Atrocity." Everybody pre-judged, predetermined and passed their own verdict long before this thing made it to trial. Everybody used it to grind their own axe. Like I said, these were six, very brave women who came up with this verdict. They were surrounded by madness and still did their duty. They judged the evidence.
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Old 07-13-2013, 09:04 PM   #574
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After justice was served tonight, Mark O Mara absolutely let the press have it during his post verdict Q&A... I'll look for YouTube video of that mańana! FYI-- no justice no peace Shouting demonstrators in SAN FRANCISCO right now...
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There must be some pure white guy, not a "white hispanic" on trial someplace the liberal media and Obama can interfere with and pressure and threaten for a guilty verdict. Oh, in Florida 3 black men killed a white woman. I wonder if this case will get 24/7 coverage. Yeah, right, it ruins the narrative, so pretend it isn't happening.
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