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Old 06-13-2013, 03:09 PM   #1
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I am all for a path to citizenship it is NCESSARY, but i am not sure I like the de facto amnesty to this, and lack of border security.

I am back and forth on this issue..What does the WRP forum think?

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Old 06-13-2013, 03:26 PM   #2
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We need to secure the border first but the Senate has blocked that bill by a vote of 57 to 43. All this does is give the GOP the ability to stall the final passage of the bill passage.

Business as usual ...............
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oh ouch... i thought it would get to the house then fail
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It'll pass the senate,the GOP can't afford to continue obstructing. The bill grassley pushed for on by border security was a poison pill. It would've created an unrealistic goal on closing the border,essentially nullifying the immigration bill by creating an absurd trigger which could never be realistically met.
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Thoughts?

I am all for a path to citizenship it is NECESSARY, but i am not sure I like the de facto amnesty to this, and lack of border security.

I am back and forth on this issue..What does the WRP forum think?

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So for a pathway to citizenship,but at the same time you're against it cause it would be considered amnesty by some?
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:15 PM   #6
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Citizenship no, legal status yes after securing the border or at least make a better effort to.
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A path to citizenship is "necessary" Why not deportation, enforcement measures to encourage self-deportation, or work permits?

Keep feeding the hungry birds and expect to continue to be deluged with more. What we have now is a direct result of the 86 amnesty. We legalized 3 million then with some officials saying 1/3 of the applications were fraudulent. Less than 10 years later, we had a full-blown invasion and had about 7 million more new arrivals.
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Citizenship no, legal status yes after securing the border or at least make a better effort to.
They claimed they were going to take care of that after the 86 amnesty and they also claimed no more amnesties. We're being had.
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So for a pathway to citizenship,but at the same time you're against it cause it would be considered amnesty by some?
It IS amnesty. Giving them ANYTHING is a form of amnesty.
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Business as usual ...............
Good. This should be stalled and strangled in its cradle. It's a total SELLOUT of the American worker and they know it.
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Hey, politically speaking I would love for the GOP to kill immigration reform. Rethugs/conservatives wouldn't see the white house for a generation or so.
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Hey, politically speaking I would love for the GOP to kill immigration reform. Rethugs/conservatives wouldn't see the white house for a generation or so.
So American voters want their jobs handed over permanently to illegal aliens who are already taking millions of American jobs, sucking the system dry, stealing identities, dealing drugs, leaving unpaid medical bills, and lowering overall blue collar wages.

Epic liberal effing genius.
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Lol there are millions of american citizens stealing identities, dealing drugs,leaving unpaid medical bills. You're FOS as usual.
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I like to hire Mexicans to do work. Its fun to sit around on a sat drinking beer watching some guy clean your yard up. Its the closest thing to being a rich person you can get. I wonder what it would cost to hire a personal assist newly americanized mexican. Say like 3-4 hours a day. Hell I bet you could get it for 10 bucks an hour. Just make him/her clean, run errands, wash clothes, do the lawn, get car washed, pick up dog ****. Hell It would be like having a robot only its a mexican.
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I wonder what is a better deal a mexican or a robot. Only the future will tell.
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Lets face it they haven't made a robot that can weed your garden and mow your lawn that really works that well. We still need Mexicans.
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How come nobody ever mentions the Canadian illegal immigrants in the States?
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So American voters want their jobs handed over permanently to illegal aliens who are already taking millions of American jobs
If an illegal alien took your job, you probably have about a 4th grade education, no marketable skills whatsoever, and used to ride the short bus. The jobs you need to worry about are those being "outsourced."
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If an illegal alien took your job, you probably have about a 4th grade education, no marketable skills whatsoever, and used to ride the short bus. The jobs you need to worry about are those being "outsourced."
Nyuk apparently didn't watch C-SPAN when the hearings were going on for this months ago.

The idea that Americans won't work many jobs that immigrants will is not a myth. There were witnesses upon witnesses stating that even when programs were put in place to specifically target US citizens as workers for certain jobs (picking apples was the first one I remember), time and time again the American workers would quit within a week, even at jobs that were paying $12. The work was "too hard."

Besides which, even if we implemented everything he's saying, prices would go through the roof due to lack of labor, and entire crops would die in the process. Not only would we see a huge lack of food production and out of control prices, all but the most hearty agro companies would go out of business.

It's an unfortunate fact that until you find people to replace those workers.
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If an illegal alien took your job, you probably have about a 4th grade education, no marketable skills whatsoever, and used to ride the short bus. The jobs you need to worry about are those being "outsourced."
Is this your description of an illegal alien?
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Nyuk apparently didn't watch C-SPAN when the hearings were going on for this months ago.

The idea that Americans won't work many jobs that immigrants will is not a myth. There were witnesses upon witnesses stating that even when programs were put in place to specifically target US citizens as workers for certain jobs (picking apples was the first one I remember), time and time again the American workers would quit within a week, even at jobs that were paying $12. The work was "too hard."

Besides which, even if we implemented everything he's saying, prices would go through the roof due to lack of labor, and entire crops would die in the process. Not only would we see a huge lack of food production and out of control prices, all but the most hearty agro companies would go out of business.

It's an unfortunate fact that until you find people to replace those workers.
I blame the labor unions. They've pussified the American worker.
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I blame the labor unions. They've pussified the American worker.
Congratulations.

I blame Vishnu.

It doesn't matter who you blame, it's the fact that matters, and it's not changing.
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Is this your description of an illegal alien?
Most illegal aliens know little if any English which, regardless of their level of education in Mexico, would make them uncompetitive with the average U.S. worker.
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Yeah, totally. Why have jobs for those Americans?

That's why we have food stamps.
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