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Old 06-12-2013, 12:08 PM   #51
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The most Popular Person in the World is Santa Claus.
He gives gifts to all the good boys.
And lumps of coal to the bad boys.
Santa knows when you have been good or bad.
Of course he has an extensive 24/7 surveillance system with millions of ninja spying elves deployed worldwide in children's bedrooms.
As every child knows, Santa always had TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS.
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The American government gave valuable gifts as well that has made globalization, international travel, international business, the Information Age and the Social Media Twitterverse possible:
-Telegraph Technology
-Voice Telephone
-Long Distance Intercontinental Calling
-Modern Computers
-The Internet
-eMail
-Global Positioning System
-Commercial Global Passenger Airline System
-Worldwide Commercial Jet Service
-Cloud Storage of Data
-Mobile Phone Technology
-The Smart Phone
And like Santa Claus, it monitors bad boys from a northern fortress of solitude.
It doesn't read your thoughts....Just your Facebook.
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It is a reciprocal relationship.
In Love and War and Life: Nothing is for free.
It is the Santa Claus Effect.
All good boys and girls have nothing to fear.
You will continue to get amazing technology toys.
Keep your nose clean.
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The greatest Pride of Men, is that they are held responsible for their Success.
The greatest Fear of Men, is that they are held responsible for their Crime.
Yes, we are responsible for our own actions.
Some will fear this. Others will feel vindicated.
Act as if all your actions will be observed, questioned, and judged.
Even if they aren't.
It is called being an 'adult'. Being responsible.
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Re Santa Claus:
***Hindus call him Vishnu
*** Catholics know him as an vengeful Archangel Angel
***Muslims may call him the angry Prophet Muhummad
***Agnostics may call him blind Justice with a scale and a sword
***Gamblers call him Lady Luck
***John Lennon called him Instant Karma
This is the basis for universal morality: Do good. Don't do evil.
Any way you call it, Santa Claus is Coming to Town.
Be good.

Borrowed from here: http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee...gy-and-freedom (reader comment)
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:09 PM   #52
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cut, given your concerns and paranoia, i would suggest you ditch your cell phone; stop using the internet, in particular social networking sites and shopping; tear up your credit cards, debit cards, and atm cards; and never use store club/rewards cards. Then you'll be safe.
Why should I have to do that? You're saying you agree people should accept it?
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:12 PM   #53
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Just as you're assuming somebody is... (all part of Obama's sinister plan to take over the world, no doubt!)
Never said anything like that. That said, once your liberty is splayed out in front of you, it matters little whether it was ad hoc or via conspiracy. Regardless, the key is to not give anyone powers the Constitution didn't trust them with.
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It's time to push back on data collection and its not a partisan issue. We should all get behind it. We wanted to be safe, the govt went off on terrorism blah blah but at some point we have to think about the future and what it will be like if the govt knows every little thing about us. Not blaming Obama he's such a weak figure no way he could stop it even if he wanted to. I'm talking about the NSA stuff. The IRS, and Benghazzi is all on him and how he runs things.
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:15 PM   #55
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Why should I have to do that? You're saying you agree people should accept it?
Under Bush? False Choice™
Under Obama? Necessary Sacrifice to the Needs of the Many (even if they don't know it yet)
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You're saying you agree people should accept it?
No, I'm saying you're overly concerned. And you really don't even know what it is you're concerned about. You've been willingly giving your info to corporations for years. Common sense suggested the government was in the game. But now you're surprised and outraged?
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No, I'm saying you're overly concerned. And you really don't even know what it is you're concerned about. You've been willingly giving your info to corporations for years. Common sense suggested the government was in the game. But now you're surprised and outraged?
I'm not outraged because i don't get upset. Surpised? no I am not surprised. Still though i think we as the voters should push back a bit to make sure it doesn't get out of control.

Cmon though Obama has totally flip flopped on all this BS. You admit that right? That Obama is totally full of **** when it comes to being different or transparent. Will you admit that was all a bs campaign marketing tool?
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:27 PM   #58
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No, I'm saying you're overly concerned. And you really don't even know what it is you're concerned about. You've been willingly giving your info to corporations for years. Common sense suggested the government was in the game. But now you're surprised and outraged?
Do you think the federal government would ever open up its email databases to keyword search by the public?

If not, why not? I mean it's not like anyone has time to physically read all their emails.
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No, I'm saying you're overly concerned. And you really don't even know what it is you're concerned about. You've been willingly giving your info to corporations for years. Common sense suggested the government was in the game. But now you're surprised and outraged?
I'll be honest the using the IRS to target groups you don't like is more disturbing. I believe Obama and Congress that they are doing the NSA stuff to try and keep us safe and catch terrorists. in fact the NSA probably overlooks things that would upset people if they knew. You know just to protect the real reason they are doing something.

Whats funny though is if this was a repub admin you all would be going ape****. We are more pointing out what two faced BS artists liberals are now. They don't even protest war if a dem is in office. You all are a joke now.
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No, I'm saying you're overly concerned. And you really don't even know what it is you're concerned about. You've been willingly giving your info to corporations for years. Common sense suggested the government was in the game. But now you're surprised and outraged?

The government is the entity noted in the Constitution, not corporations, so there's no similarity. If you want to collect my data without my knowing, you'd better have probable cause and then a warrant. But you and I don't even get that option, but instead a SECRET court tries and convicts us without our knowing it.

The probability of this data, as the amount the gov't has about you will inevitably and incrementally grow, being hacked or deliberately/accidentally leaked poses a real problem. Do you really think the gov't will hold itself to the standards of privacy it holds corporations to? Fat chance.

Finally, we have the ability to opt out of large swaths of data we give to corporations. We do not have the same luxury when a monolithic government demands it of us. apples to oranges.
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Cmon though Obama has totally flip flopped on all this BS. You admit that right? That Obama is totally full of **** when it comes to being different or transparent. Will you admit that was all a bs campaign marketing tool?
Yes.
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The government is the entity noted in the Constitution, not corporations, so there's no similarity. If you want to collect my data without my knowing, you'd better have probable cause and then a warrant. But you and I don't even get that option, but instead a SECRET court tries and convicts us without our knowing it.

The probability of this data, as the amount the gov't has about you will inevitably and incrementally grow, being hacked or deliberately/accidentally leaked poses a real problem. Do you really think the gov't will hold itself to the standards of privacy it holds corporations to? Fat chance.

Finally, we have the ability to opt out of large swaths of data we give to corporations. We do not have the same luxury when a monolithic government demands it of us. apples to oranges.
You've taken a grave misstep in trying to separate corporations and government. That ship sailed long ago.

The first incremental step we need to take as citizens is to demand the disintegration of the secret court system. This goes for monitoring, this goes for drones, this goes for everything.

I will vote for any candidate who campaigns on the premise of dissolving all secret judicial processes that determine our guilt or need for invasive monitoring, provided their views on other things don't destroy other civil liberties in the process.
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Good post SA. Well put and hard to disagree with any of it. My feeling has been that this "invasion of privacy" seems a small price to pay for security (to the extent any is provided or enhanced), particularly when I don't personally have anything to be concerned about. But fully agree that the Consitutional aspects as well as the potential slippery slope are troubling.
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The first incremental step we need to take as citizens is to demand the disintegration of the secret court system. This goes for monitoring, this goes for drones, this goes for everything.
Perhaps this is progress in that direction?

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/11/senat...nce-into-open/
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Perhaps this is progress in that direction?

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/11/senat...nce-into-open/
no. That link is from msnbc and therefore could not POSSIBLY do anything to subvert the Obama regime.

But seriously though, after I have a chance to read it over and if the language jives with what I'm saying like I hope, I will be writing every sponsor of that bill as well as my own congressmen and women to voice my support.
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And here's the kicker. The data they are mining may not even be doing what they hope/say it is doing--preventing terror strikes. Don't you think that a policy debate on this really should place the burden to show the solvency of the policy on the government?

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...court documents lodged in the US and UK, as well as interviews with involved parties, suggest that data-mining through Prism and other NSA programmes played a relatively minor role in the interception of the two plots. Conventional surveillance techniques, in both cases including old-fashioned tip-offs from intelligence services in Britain, appear to have initiated the investigations.
Major infringements for 'relatively minor' results? Where I come from, that is not justification to implement a policy, let alone one that is fraught with abuse, both current and potential.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion1:sublinks
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http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/bi...n=widgetphase2


What Biden used to think about this crap. Hell you can't believe one thing out of a Obamas or Bidens mouth.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...hout-warrants/

Obama lied. They are listening to your phone calls.

Tony in to talk about how thrilled he is that the President takes his security so seriously in 3...2...1...
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Wow what a surprise Obama lies again. This **** is getting ridiculous. How can liberals support this guy? It's scary how we all just support the party now and not the actions. Not pointing just at dems we all do it.
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Darth Cheney says that wiretapping could have prevented 911.hmmm.what do the eighties do now.their party is split mote than we thought
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Of course Cheney agrees with listening in on us. We won't deny he is that type of person. But now you have to admit Obama is just like Cheney, the man you hate and said should go to prison.
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Obama ran on being different, on hope and change, so he gets called on that now period. Especially since duck duck goose hit with him not having a chair.
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But now you have to admit Obama is just like Cheney...
So, then, is Obama "just like Cheney" or he is he the liberal/socialist/leftist you and your fellow small c conservatives usually portray/accuse him of being?
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Yoose guys never learn.

Obama picked Larry Summers and Tim Geithner -- the same crew who melted down the economy in 2008.

Obama is a Wall Street puppet -- just like Bush. A new face but the same old shyte.

The divide is not between R and D. It's between the 1% and 99%.

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So, then, is Obama "just like Cheney" or he is he the liberal/socialist/leftist you and your fellow small c conservatives usually portray/accuse him of being?
Dude thats what i am saying we have no idea what he is. He believes in a big govt that you have no idea what its doing. Big govt can take on many forms and obviously when it comes to our rights he is a lot like Cheney. He's an ends justify the means sort of person IMO.

So just because I say he is very liberal when it comes to spending and how involved govt should be in the markets, I can't say man this guy is just like Stalin when it comes to using the govt to attack his enemies? Hell no he can and is both of thost people.

Really liberals should be the most upset. You finally got who you thought would be this great liberal reformer and instead you got a mixture of super liberal and authoritarian dictator. Congrats.
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