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Old 06-10-2013, 05:53 AM   #1
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"Turnkey tyranny" - highlights of the interview with Edward Snowden

A (nearly) full transcript of this historical interview is offered below. I've compiled what I consider to be the most explosive quotes from both the video and the related Q&A page posted on the Guardian (link below). Read them here:

(All quotes by Edward Snowden, NSA infrastructure analyst)

"Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere... I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President..."

"We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."

"When you are subverting the power of government, that's a fundamentally dangerous thing to democracy."

"You can't come forward against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and be completely free from risk, because they're such powerful adversaries, that no one can meaningfully oppose them."

"The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards."

"Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. ...it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life."

"The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things... And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny."

See partial transcript below.

The NSA routinely lies to Congress

In addition to the video interview, Ed Snowden also went on the record with some Q&A with Glenn Greenwald. This exchange is published by The Guardian and it reveals yet more astonishing information -- EXPLOSIVE information that makes Watergate look like a Boy Scout field trip...

Q: What do the leaked documents reveal?

A: "That the NSA routinely lies in response to congressional inquiries about the scope of surveillance in America. I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."

Q: Is it possible to put security in place to protect against state surveillance?

A: "You are not even aware of what is possible. The extent of their capabilities is horrifying. We can plant bugs in machines. Once you go on the network, I can identify your machine. You will never be safe whatever protections you put in place."

Q: Why did you decide to become a whistleblower?

A: "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards."

"I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things … I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."

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A matter of principle

As strong as those beliefs are, there still remains the question: why did he do it? Giving up his freedom and a privileged lifestyle? "There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich."

For him, it is a matter of principle. "The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

His allegiance to internet freedom is reflected in the stickers on his laptop: "I support Online Rights: Electronic Frontier Foundation," reads one. Another hails the online organisation offering anonymity, the Tor Project.

Asked by reporters to establish his authenticity to ensure he is not some fantasist, he laid bare, without hesitation, his personal details, from his social security number to his CIA ID and his expired diplomatic passport. There is no shiftiness. Ask him about anything in his personal life and he will answer.

He is quiet, smart, easy-going and self-effacing. A master on computers, he seemed happiest when talking about the technical side of surveillance, at a level of detail comprehensible probably only to fellow communication specialists. But he showed intense passion when talking about the value of privacy and how he felt it was being steadily eroded by the behaviour of the intelligence services.

His manner was calm and relaxed but he has been understandably twitchy since he went into hiding, waiting for the knock on the hotel door. A fire alarm goes off. "That has not happened before," he said, betraying anxiety wondering if was real, a test or a CIA ploy to get him out onto the street.

Strewn about the side of his bed are his suitcase, a plate with the remains of room-service breakfast, and a copy of Angler, the biography of former vice-president Dick Cheney.

Ever since last week's news stories began to appear in the Guardian, Snowden has vigilantly watched TV and read the internet to see the effects of his choices. He seemed satisfied that the debate he longed to provoke was finally taking place.

He lay, propped up against pillows, watching CNN's Wolf Blitzer ask a discussion panel about government intrusion if they had any idea who the leaker was. From 8,000 miles away, the leaker looked on impassively, not even indulging in a wry smile.

Snowden said that he admires both Ellsberg and Manning, but argues that there is one important distinction between himself and the army private, whose trial coincidentally began the week Snowden's leaks began to make news.

"I carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest," he said. "There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over, because harming people isn't my goal. Transparency is."

He purposely chose, he said, to give the documents to journalists whose judgment he trusted about what should be public and what should remain concealed.

As for his future, he is vague. He hoped the publicity the leaks have generated will offer him some protection, making it "harder for them to get dirty".

He views his best hope as the possibility of asylum, with Iceland – with its reputation of a champion of internet freedom – at the top of his list. He knows that may prove a wish unfulfilled.

But after the intense political controversy he has already created with just the first week's haul of stories, "I feel satisfied that this was all worth it. I have no regrets."
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Than of course there is this;

Breaking: New PRISM slide leaked by the Guardian: NSA has direct access to servers of Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo, Apple and others

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I imagine we'll soon read a story about Mr. Snowden accidentally falling on a knife 12 times, or realizing the error of his ways and plummeting off the tallest building in Dubai.

(I don't really mean this, Mr. Eye in the Sky...)
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I imagine we'll soon read a story about Mr. Snowden accidentally falling on a knife 12 times, or realizing the error of his ways and plummeting off the tallest building in Dubai.

(I don't really mean this, Mr. Eye in the Sky...)
We'll see Jones, Aaronson, Rutherford and Snowden in a bar drinking Victory Whiskey before they each get a bullet to the back of the head.
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Edward Snowden said when he decided to take the huge risk and go public with this information his greatest fear was that the American public would say so what if they are recording everything we say. Will this great patriot's sacrifice be for naught? With all the whistle blowers coming out we are at a cross roads. Will the people demand this road to tyranny end or will we all just roll over?
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Edward Snowden said when he decided to take the huge risk and go public with this information his greatest fear was that the American public would say so what if they are recording everything we say. Will this great patriot's sacrifice be for naught? With all the whistle blowers coming out we are at a cross roads. Will the people demand this road to tyranny end or will we all just roll over?
Half of the population will only care about government when the checks stop coming in.
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Half of the population will only care about government when the checks stop coming in.
There are currently 50,000,000 Americans on food stamps. The puppet masters that have been controlling the federal government for many cycles now want the citizens dependent on the government, what better way to control someone than to decide rather they eat or not.
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Half of the population will only care about government when the checks stop coming in.
And the other half is too busy lobbying themselves a larger slice of the pie than they already have.
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And the other half is too busy lobbying themselves a larger slice of the pie than they already have.
So Comrade Haughtam how much pie is too much? Do you have a cap figure in mind?

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So Comrade Haughtam how much pie is too much? Do you a cap figure in mind?
How is using the legally provided framework to game the system to stay on good stamps any different than using the legally provided framework to game the system to influence lawmakers to create an environment where they can make more more more?

It's not. Baja asked if the people would just roll over. Dr. Brownstain brought up the fact that a certain percentage of people through their desire for money, who will continue to allow the government to behave as is. I am simply agreeing with him, but from the other side.

Just as a certain percentage of people are okay with living off the government, a certain percentage of people are okay with big business being bed partners with government. The Citizens United decision makes it all that much worse.
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So this dummy Snowden takes refuge in.........Hong Kong?!?

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Hong Kong is not a sovereign country. It is part of China — a country that by the libertarian standards Edward Snowden says he cares about is worse, not better, than the United States. China has even more surveillance of its citizens (it has gone very far toward ensuring that it knows the real identity of everyone using the internet); its press is thoroughly government-controlled; it has no legal theory of protection for free speech; and it doesn’t even have national elections. Hong Kong lives a time-limited separate existence, under the “one country, two systems” principle, but in a pinch, it is part of China.

I don’t know all the choices Snowden had about his place of refuge. Maybe he thought this was his only real option. But if Snowden thinks, as some of his comments seem to suggest, that he has found a bastion of freer speech, then he is ill-informed; and if he knowingly chose to make his case from China he is playing a more complicated game.
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So this dummy Snowden takes refuge in.........Hong Kong?!?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...g-kong/276692/
Well, to be fair, if he truly believes what he says about his life being on the line, he could think he's better off where the locals have global influence and aren't very friendly with US intelligence's global reach.

Oh, and they'll be happy to have a voice right there exposing our leaders' disgusting hypocrisy when it comes to shaming other countries on this very sort of thing.

I used to think it was disgusting that American companies helped the Chinese do what they do. Now it just looks like we didn't know the whole story.
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So this dummy Snowden takes refuge in.........Hong Kong?!?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...g-kong/276692/
Very strange choice. I'm sure the Chinese are not happy to be put in this position either. I wouldn't be surprised if he is told to leave.
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How is using the legally provided framework to game the system to stay on good stamps any different than using the legally provided framework to game the system to influence lawmakers to create an environment where they can make more more more?

It's not. Baja asked if the people would just roll over. Dr. Brownstain brought up the fact that a certain percentage of people through their desire for money, who will continue to allow the government to behave as is. I am simply agreeing with him, but from the other side.

Just as a certain percentage of people are okay with living off the government, a certain percentage of people are okay with big business being bed partners with government. The Citizens United decision makes it all that much worse.
It's two options: Only care about Government when the check stops being mailed, or care alot of Government so much that you write multimillion dollar checks to get the influence you desire.... I don't know if I find welfare or the money in election more appaling...
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Nah. Walmart will just tell the Chinese, "We'll give you a couple of hundred thousand more jobs if you'll turn this guy over to the CIA."
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Edward Snowden is missing. He checked out of his hotel and is nowhere to be found as per INFO WARS Radio
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Edward Snowden is an American hero. It's early yet but his patriotism may have been wasted on a bunch of dumbed down idiots AKA the American public.


Watch the pre historical documentary on the near future of America

Idiocracy (The future has arrived)

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