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Old 06-10-2013, 05:45 PM   #126
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:56 PM   #127
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He def. has a good arm, but he regressed as a passer. I never thought he had the mental aptitute for the game either.
You may be right about that. I'm personally waiting to pass final judgment on the guy until after he gets some proper coaching and development in a system for a few years. When I look at the instability and absolute awkwardness surrounding Tebow's career so far I'm puzzled why anyone would expect the guy to thrive as a passer, especially given his spread option background.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:01 PM   #129
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The biggest negative about Tim Tebow is he can't read defenses and has trouble mastering his play book.

I only heard this recently maybe that has been common knowledge but didn't hear about it until now.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:02 PM   #130
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The biggest negative about Tim Tebow is he can't read defenses and has trouble mastering his play book.

I only heard this recently maybe that has been common knowledge but didn't hear about it until now.
This means you fail for not reading his book. Unacceptable.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:03 PM   #131
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I'd honestly assume that wasn't a serious post if I didn't know you were dumber than a flaming bag of ****.

Yes some of those greats made the TE position more popular, but just because other people have also made the position more popular certainly doesn't mean someone didn't make it even more popular. These things are not mutually exclusive.

In 2011 when moderately healthy, they produced over 2,200 yards from the TE position.

To put that in perspective (and piggy backing off your citing Tony Gonzalez as an example), the Falcons produced less than 1,000. In fact, the Patriots #2 TE outproduced Tony, ceteris paribus.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:18 PM   #132
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Good.

We all know he can't move the ball consistently unless it's zero coverage or a street ball situation.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:26 PM   #133
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I'd honestly assume that wasn't a serious post if I didn't know you were dumber than a flaming bag of ****.

Yes some of those greats made the TE position more popular, but just because other people have also made the position more popular certainly doesn't mean someone didn't make it even more popular. These things are not mutually exclusive.

In 2011 when moderately healthy, they produced over 2,200 yards from the TE position.

To put that in perspective (and piggy backing off your citing Tony Gonzalez as an example), the Falcons produced less than 1,000. In fact, the Patriots #2 TE outproduced Tony, ceteris paribus.
the point which eludes you (like always) is that Bill isn't the first coach to think that the TE could be a huge weapon in the passing game.....and those players I posted practically revolutionized the position. Keep in mind that Ozzie Newsome and Jackie Smith are part of those who popularized the position too.

Having a beast for a TE that can block catch and run has been something all teams look to draft and sign...it's not something that Bill and the Pats came up with....or made popular.

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Old 06-10-2013, 06:34 PM   #134
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Peyton Manning and the Colts were the trend setters with two tight end sets. Although they kind of just reinvented the wheel, as two tight end sets didnt start in the early twenty first century. Sure New England has a much better duo, but Billab**** didn't invent nor reinvent the wheel.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:41 PM   #135
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:44 PM   #136
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"Former Heisman Trophy winner and Carolina Panthers quarterback Chris Weinke spent the past month tweaking Tim Tebow's mechanics and is convinced Tebow 2.0, released in April after a failed one-year tenure with the New York Jets, doesn't have to change positions to stick with the New England Patriots.

"Do I think he can play the quarterback position in the NFL? Yeah, no question,'' Weinke told USA TODAY Sports Monday. "Like I told Tim when I found out (Monday) that he signed, 'You're locked and loaded, ready to go.'''

Weinke and fellow former NFL quarterback Vinny Testaverde noticed a major flaw in the way Tebow's feet were aligned, which was undercutting his accuracy and slowing his release.

"I made an adjustment to his lower half and invariably that's where the quickness came from,'' said Weinke, the former Heisman Trophy winner. "What I saw was, when his feet were in good position, he was throwing the ball with great accuracy, great velocity. And the ball was coming out much quicker.

"I know he's excited to get up there to New England.''

Weinke said Tebow would spend four to five hours each day at the IMG Academy, throwing and lifting, and if there was anything Weinke had to make sure of, it was that Tebow didn't overwork.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ademy/2410185/
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:53 PM   #137
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"Former Heisman Trophy winner and Carolina Panthers quarterback Chris Weinke spent the past month tweaking Tim Tebow's mechanics and is convinced Tebow 2.0, released in April after a failed one-year tenure with the New York Jets, doesn't have to change positions to stick with the New England Patriots.

"Do I think he can play the quarterback position in the NFL? Yeah, no question,'' Weinke told USA TODAY Sports Monday. "Like I told Tim when I found out (Monday) that he signed, 'You're locked and loaded, ready to go.'''

Weinke and fellow former NFL quarterback Vinny Testaverde noticed a major flaw in the way Tebow's feet were aligned, which was undercutting his accuracy and slowing his release.

"I made an adjustment to his lower half and invariably that's where the quickness came from,'' said Weinke, the former Heisman Trophy winner. "What I saw was, when his feet were in good position, he was throwing the ball with great accuracy, great velocity. And the ball was coming out much quicker.

"I know he's excited to get up there to New England.''

Weinke said Tebow would spend four to five hours each day at the IMG Academy, throwing and lifting, and if there was anything Weinke had to make sure of, it was that Tebow didn't overwork.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ademy/2410185/
It really makes you wonder if he's been getting any real coaching the past couple years...
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:01 PM   #138
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"Former Heisman Trophy winner and Carolina Panthers quarterback Chris Weinke spent the past month tweaking Tim Tebow's mechanics and is convinced Tebow 2.0, released in April after a failed one-year tenure with the New York Jets, doesn't have to change positions to stick with the New England Patriots.

"Do I think he can play the quarterback position in the NFL? Yeah, no question,'' Weinke told USA TODAY Sports Monday. "Like I told Tim when I found out (Monday) that he signed, 'You're locked and loaded, ready to go.'''

Weinke and fellow former NFL quarterback Vinny Testaverde noticed a major flaw in the way Tebow's feet were aligned, which was undercutting his accuracy and slowing his release.

"I made an adjustment to his lower half and invariably that's where the quickness came from,'' said Weinke, the former Heisman Trophy winner. "What I saw was, when his feet were in good position, he was throwing the ball with great accuracy, great velocity. And the ball was coming out much quicker.

"I know he's excited to get up there to New England.''

Weinke said Tebow would spend four to five hours each day at the IMG Academy, throwing and lifting, and if there was anything Weinke had to make sure of, it was that Tebow didn't overwork.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ademy/2410185/
It's the same story every year with this guy.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:02 PM   #139
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It really makes you wonder if he's been getting any real coaching the past couple years...
There's no wondering about it -- he has not.

One of the only (somewhat) valid criticisms I have heard from his haters at this level is that he should be able to play at this level without coaching, without improving his mechanics. Maybe so. But there should never have been any doubt he's been through the opposite of an ideal situation from a coaching and development standpoint.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:03 PM   #140
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I only heard this recently maybe that has been common knowledge but didn't hear about it until now.
That's what happens when you renounce your fandom...You tend to fall out of the loop.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:25 PM   #141
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How long before the Teboners call for him to start?
Hell if it gets Brady out of the game and Timmy in it I will send in a couple C notes to get a "Start Tebow" Billboard!
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:33 PM   #142
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Peyton Manning and the Colts were the trend setters with two tight end sets. Although they kind of just reinvented the wheel, as two tight end sets didnt start in the early twenty first century. Sure New England has a much better duo, but Billab**** didn't invent nor reinvent the wheel.
Belly is just using the best players on his team, nothing wrong with that, if you have 2 above avg to great TE's then throw it to them. It also helps that they have one legit WR and a bunch of other guys.

Belly knows he is in the **** when Brady retires, he probably went to the Cici Pizza buffet for lunch and came back to mCd who told him he just signed Timmy.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:35 PM   #143
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McDaniels obviously has some plan as how to use him, so this will be interesting. I hate McD, but he's definitely an innovative coach.

I see him switch part time to fullback, so he can line up in the backfield and occasionally carry the ball, with the some trick options plays thrown in. I hate the Pats, but I love Tim...will be fun to watch.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:39 PM   #144
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There's no wondering about it -- he has not.

One of the only (somewhat) valid criticisms I have heard from his haters at this level is that he should be able to play at this level without coaching, without improving his mechanics. Maybe so. But there should never have been any doubt he's been through the opposite of an ideal situation from a coaching and development standpoint.
Aside from the summer he spend with Trestman, and the summer he spend with Mcdouchebag, and the summer he spend with Gase. Despite several earnest attempts by people who have otherwise been successful in working with quarterbacks, Tebow has never been able to change his god awful mechanics, nor has he been able to throw even a half decent spiral or hit a WR consistently in practice without any defenders.
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McDaniels obviously has some plan as how to use him, so this will be interesting. I hate McD, but he's definitely an innovative coach.

I see him switch part time to fullback, so he can line up in the backfield and occasionally carry the ball, with the some trick options plays thrown in. I hate the Pats, but I love Tim...will be fun to watch.
His innovation is limited to doing what Belly tells him to do.

It didn't help him with us or the Rams much did it. He spent 18 months with us, less than a calendar year in St Louis then made it back to NE in time to help them choke another SB.
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Aside from the summer he spend with Trestman, and the summer he spend with Mcdouchebag, and the summer he spend with Gase. Despite several earnest attempts by people who have otherwise been successful in working with quarterbacks, Tebow has never been able to change his god awful mechanics, nor has he been able to throw even a half decent spiral or hit a WR consistently in practice without any defenders.
Plus late not forget the reports from TC where TT runs on 7-7 drills.
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the point which eludes you (like always) is that Bill isn't the first coach to think that the TE could be a huge weapon in the passing game.....and those players I posted practically revolutionized the position. Keep in mind that Ozzie Newsome and Jackie Smith are part of those who popularized the position too.

Having a beast for a TE that can block catch and run has been something all teams look to draft and sign...it's not something that Bill and the Pats came up with....or made popular.
No. Just no.

Maybe take some remedial classes and revisit that last post until you reach a 6th grade education level and can understand it.
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Aside from the summer he spend with Trestman, and the summer he spend with Mcdouchebag, and the summer he spend with Gase. Despite several earnest attempts by people who have otherwise been successful in working with quarterbacks, Tebow has never been able to change his god awful mechanics, nor has he been able to throw even a half decent spiral or hit a WR consistently in practice without any defenders.
If you ask me, that's part of what's derailed Tebow's development. The dude was an exceptional passer at the college level, and then all these NFL guys decide to change everything about the way he throws. Too bad Jim Harbaugh (a guy I think it's safe to say is smarter than any of the guys who have coached Tebow) didn't end up being in charge of his development:

"I look at Tim Tebow's throwing motion and it doesn't look that much different than Steve Young's, if you put them next to each other," said Harbaugh. "Steve Young would drop the ball when he threw it. And he's a Hall of Fame quarterback. To me it's more important to be natural than it is to shave a tenth of a second off the time it takes to get rid of the ball."
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lol if he can't even retain it from sideline to huddle then i highly doubt Patsys will get any real insights from him
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