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Old 06-08-2013, 03:45 PM   #51
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Before someone says something stupid, just because you don't understand why somebody would do something or feel a specific way doesn't mean that it is wrong. Ill never understand what it's like to feel like you are in the wrong body, but if doing this is what makes her happy, then all the power to her.
I honestly have no problem with it on a personal level. I also honestly believe it's a pathological disorder. I tend to feel that these surgeries only serve to feed peoples' delusions, and that the underlying sickness is ignored because it's taboo nowadays to call it anything other than 100% healthy (if a person feels that they are something other than what they were born as-- be it dog, fish, angel , or robot--they are generally treated as mentally ill but gender identity issues are different for some reason). If you are born a male you will always be a male. Surgeries and hormone treatments only alter the surface, and the demons that torment a person aren't going to simply go away because you change the surface.

All that said, if it's gender change or suicidal misery for the rest of one's life, the choice is rather obvious. I just get tired of the PC nonsense surrounding the topic. It is neither healthy or well-adjusted, and I wish they would stop pretending otherwise.
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Old 06-08-2013, 03:48 PM   #52
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and the demons that torment a person aren't going to simply go away because you change the surface.
except they almost always do. don't let that get in the way of your platitudes, though. I'm sure your words are positively dripping in scientific veracity.
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Old 06-08-2013, 04:09 PM   #53
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except they almost always do. don't let that get in the way of your platitudes, though. I'm sure your words are positively dripping in scientific veracity.
They almost always do? You can't be serious.

Anorexics always see themselves as fat even when they look like holocaust victims. Women who are addicted to plastic surgery always see their flaws no matter how good doctors make them look (until they ultimately end up looking far worse than when they started). Some of the most beautiful women I've ever known genuinely thought themselves ugly because of abuse as children. You are kidding yourself if you think gender alteration is going to fix all the pain and confusion in a mind that identifies as a sex that physical reality doesn't support.

There are now very refined surgical procedures that can support such delusions, but ultimately that is all they do. They don't really fix anything deep within the mind. All I know is that I hope people who are getting these surgeries have gone through extensive therapy first, and I hope they continue after because I firmly believe they suffer from a rather severe disorder somewhat related to BDD.
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Kind of looks like Brady Quinn with a wig.
sad part is, i actually thought that when i first saw him
i was remembering the pics of Clausen and Quinn that were more than questionable around their respective draft times.
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Old 06-08-2013, 04:38 PM   #55
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They almost always do? You can't be serious.

Anorexics always see themselves as fat even when they look like holocaust victims.
I'm not talking about anorexics. I'm talking about transgendered people. Those who suffer almost always get better when they transition. Of course, they often undergo a new kind of suffering, because the world rejects them. It's extraordinarily insidious to deny the existence of a person's identity, to shun them socially, to (usually) insult and berate them on a near constant basis, and then use their inevitable cracking under extraordinary circumstances as post hoc proof of their mental instability.

and to my knowledge therapy is already required before hormone therapy or transition surgery
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:01 PM   #57
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Gotta love the "If you are not exactly like me you are a sicko" crowd around here.
I didn't say they were "sickos". Most people in this world have issues. Unfortunately these people are being told by many that their issues aren't really issues, that they're normal and well-adjusted people who just need surgery to fix nature's mistake. Acceptance and tolerance are wonderful, but I don't think that's what this is. I think this is a case of turning a blind eye to genuine psychological issues because, to many, being accepted and treated as "normal" is more important than treating mental and emotional problems of people who are in pain.
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I didn't say they were "sickos". Most people in this world have issues. Unfortunately these people are being told by many that their issues aren't really issues, that they're normal and well-adjusted people who just need surgery to fix nature's mistake. Acceptance and tolerance are wonderful, but I don't think that's what this is. I think this is a case of turning a blind eye to genuine psychological issues because, to many, being accepted and treated as "normal" is more important than treating mental and emotional problems of people who are in pain.
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I tend to agree that I don't think they're mentally healthy. They seem to have a hard time of it no matter what they decide to do. Gender identity is a very interesting thing. I don't agree in cookie cutter definitions of either, because people can choose to live as they want, but I also don't believe a man cutting off his penis, growing his hair out and taking hormone pills makes him a woman.

Even after transition they don't quite fit in either mold. If that's society's "problem" or not, I personally think that self identity and self worth shouldn't derive from a surgery. And I agree with the sentiment that expecting a surgery to do so is a tall order.

And before some of you call me a bigot, I'd be giving this advice to anyone looking at surgery, from a mole removal to a sex change.
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I tend to agree that I don't think they're mentally healthy. They seem to have a hard time of it no matter what they decide to do. Gender identity is a very interesting thing. I don't agree in cookie cutter definitions of either, because people can choose to live as they want, but I also don't believe a man cutting off his penis, growing his hair out and taking hormone pills makes him a woman.

Even after transition they don't quite fit in either mold. If that's society's "problem" or not, I personally think that self identity and self worth shouldn't derive from a surgery. And I agree with the sentiment that expecting a surgery to do so is a tall order.

And before some of you call me a bigot, I'd be giving this advice to anyone looking at surgery, from a mole removal to a sex change.
Well you're not a bigot but you might be gay.
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Well you're not a bigot but you might be gay.
I am very lesbosexual.
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If you are a women trapped in a man's body and are married to a women does that make you a lesbian?
Our neighbors were a lesbian couple and then one them transitioned to a man and they stayed together. Were they lesbians and are now straight? Or are they bi? Is only one of them bi? Who's on first?
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Our neighbors were a lesbian couple and then one them transitioned to a man and they stayed together. Were they lesbians and are now straight? Or are they bi? Is only one of them bi? Who's on first?
Not sure. Did anybody throw coffee in the others face?
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Not sure if I'm correct about the coffee splashing etiquette, but just to clarify my understanding:

If one male splashes another male in the face with coffe while asking the splashee if said splashing upsets him -- somebody has to die.
The whole adage about military personnel is mostly true... "I'm not looking for a fight, but I will fight when called."

SEALs aren't necessarily always looking for combat. Some of them, you'd be surprised are quite pacifist when it comes to war. However, there is a streak, especially in the younger ones, that always want to fight. Not necessarily combat, but fighting. You have to be wired that way to do what they do, IMO.

This isn't necessarily true for all of them, but a couple that I have known were really into the whole fighting for fun thing. Of course, just because that's the case for a higher percentage of the ones I've known, doesn't necessarily it's true for all of them, or that there is even a pattern.
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howeva! that's a one ugly broad.
Probably just starting the hormonal therapy. She still looks like a guy.
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Yeah and they both eat and f--k before "coffee face submissions."
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The whole adage about military personnel is mostly true... "I'm not looking for a fight, but I will fight when called."

SEALs aren't necessarily always looking for combat. Some of them, you'd be surprised are quite pacifist when it comes to war. However, there is a streak, especially in the younger ones, that always want to fight. Not necessarily combat, but fighting. You have to be wired that way to do what they do, IMO.

This isn't necessarily true for all of them, but a couple that I have known were really into the whole fighting for fun thing. Of course, just because that's the case for a higher percentage of the ones I've known, doesn't necessarily it's true for all of them, or that there is even a pattern.

You must really like coffee.
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The whole adage about military personnel is mostly true... "I'm not looking for a fight, but I will fight when called."

SEALs aren't necessarily always looking for combat. Some of them, you'd be surprised are quite pacifist when it comes to war. However, there is a streak, especially in the younger ones, that always want to fight. Not necessarily combat, but fighting. You have to be wired that way to do what they do, IMO.

This isn't necessarily true for all of them, but a couple that I have known were really into the whole fighting for fun thing. Of course, just because that's the case for a higher percentage of the ones I've known, doesn't necessarily it's true for all of them, or that there is even a pattern.
Dude, he threw coffee in your face and laughed while you sat there. That happens to me and someone is going to die. It could be me that dies... but one of us has to go after that.
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