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Old 06-09-2013, 01:34 PM   #51
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That depends on how good you think Brock is going to be. Clearly the Broncos brain trust think he will become a franchise type talent thus worth a 2nd rd pick. The early reports have him vastly improved and it's been speculated he would have been a very high pick this year. With Peyton running the team I am sure Elway figured we would not have another shot at drafting a prospect the caliber of Brock with our drafting position throughout the Manning era. I'm thinking we got a top five pick qb a year early in the second round and will not smell an opportunity like that until Manning retires and then we would need a loosing season to have a similar shot at a top talent who would not have the benefit of learning behind a Manning. After some early misgivings I am so very pleased Elway is running things and not some of the knee jerk thinking fellows here.
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Old 06-09-2013, 01:39 PM   #52
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What part about drafting a player in the second round who is not going to play for 3-4 years being poor resource management do you get?

Terrible ROI. It only becomes worth it if he pans out. Sorry, I am not really interested in waiting 3-4 years to get a contribution from a top draft choice. Either should a team who is "close" to winning the Super Bowl. Hence why Xanders was canned. He wanted Lavonte David, spoke up about it, got ****-dished out of town.

It will be fun to revisit this chat years down the road when Osweiler craps out of the league.
See I could almost see your point, but then elway has filled in this roster very well. And we are being picked to go deep in the playoffs.
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Old 06-09-2013, 01:41 PM   #53
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Yes it will in the mean time we have your draft day posts to amuse us.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:49 PM   #54
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Before the 2012 draft, I felt like we could wait on picking a QB that year, and just do it this year. After seeing what was available for QB's in the 2013 draft, I am happy to say Elway was right, and I was wrong. And who knows what will be available for a team with the 32nd pick in each round next year?

BTW, we went 13-3 and was 38 sec.'s away from playing in the AFC Championship. What late second round pick in 2012 would have been enough to beat the Ravens in that game?
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #55
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If the Broncos had drafted Lavonte David, he would likely become Woodyard's backup. I certainly do not want Woodyard on the bench. Both could be the nickel LBs, but then the Broncos added Danny Trevathan who is a similar player and an excellent choice late in the draft. Considering the importance of the QB position and the uncertainty that surrounded Manning at that point, Osweiler was worth the investment.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:58 PM   #57
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Before the 2012 draft, I felt like we could wait on picking a QB that year, and just do it this year. After seeing what was available for QB's in the 2013 draft, I am happy to say Elway was right, and I was wrong. And who knows what will be available for a team with the 32nd pick in each round next year?

BTW, we went 13-3 and was 38 sec.'s away from playing in the AFC Championship. What late second round pick in 2012 would have been enough to beat the Ravens in that game?
I really support Elway's decision to draft and develop a QBOTF in Osweiler

BUT a safety in the second round could have helped =P
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:59 PM   #58
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who would you rather have in his place and who would be your choice to learn under Manning. For the record. ;-)
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Old 06-09-2013, 03:10 PM   #59
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Last years draft was poor in many regards. I thought the thrust of the draft centered around positioning to take Osweiler, in the second round it just wasn't smart for where we were headed as a team in a win now scenario. Hillman is undersized and unimpressive. Wish they would have stayed where they were in the first, taken Doug Martin. I don't know why the Broncos always seem to overthink the drafts. In fairness to Elway I haven't been too impressed the last decade with our selections.
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Why waste a second round selection on a player who is never going to be a legit QB in the NFL?
Tebow was drafted in the first round.
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Old 06-09-2013, 03:29 PM   #61
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Last years draft was poor in many regards. I thought the thrust of the draft centered around positioning to take Osweiler, in the second round it just wasn't smart for where we were headed as a team in a win now scenario. Hillman is undersized and unimpressive. Wish they would have stayed where they were in the first, taken Doug Martin. I don't know why the Broncos always seem to overthink the drafts. In fairness to Elway I haven't been too impressed the last decade with our selections.
Derek Wolfe has been getting some pretty rave reviews. Apparently he wants to be a JJ Watt type impact. Having a nasty RB would be nice, but hopefully Ball becomes just that.
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Really don't understand why this is not obvious to all the regulars here.

It is because the Broncos didn't draft the guy they wanted the Broncos to draft.....
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Why waste a second round selection on a player who is never going to be a legit QB in the NFL?
I thought we used a 1st round pick on Tebow?
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I really support Elway's decision to draft and develop a QBOTF in Osweiler

BUT a safety in the second round could have helped =P
Who? Besides, if this regime thought safety was such a big hole in the the defense, why didn't they draft one this year?
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It is because the Broncos didn't draft the guy they wanted the Broncos to draft.....
...and there in lies the controversy.
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We really are not going to know what we have in this kid until he replaces Manning as the starter. Seriously, how he plays in practice or even the preseason means little aside from giving a bit of hope.
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We really are not going to know what we have in this kid until he replaces Manning as the starter. Seriously, how he plays in practice or even the preseason means little aside from giving a bit of hope.
That's true...but it's just as ignorant to say he won't ever become anything special too. We'll never know until that day comes when he's running through the tunnel with the stadium speakers blaring "and starting at QB, Brock Osweiler!"
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That's true...but it's just as ignorant to say he won't ever become anything special too. We'll never know until that day comes when he's running through the tunnel with the stadium speakers blaring "and starting at QB, Brock Osweiler!"
My point was meant to go both directions. We really have no way of knowing if he's going to be great, terrible, or something in between until he's the starter.
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who would you rather have in his place and who would be your choice to learn under Manning. For the record. ;-)
I advocated Kirk Cousins through the process. I feel he can be a starter and would have made a good back up. Did well in place of RGIII.

This year is loaded at QB. Three or four guys who are lights out, but will command high picks. I dont blame Elway for going out and getting a guy with great tools. I want Brock to be the guy. He has a cannon. It is a good situation. Never denied that ever, just questioned resource allocation.
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My point was meant to go both directions. We really have no way of knowing if he's going to be great, terrible, or something in between until he's the starter.

I know....sorry if my post implied otherwise.
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I really support Elway's decision to draft and develop a QBOTF in Osweiler

BUT a safety in the second round could have helped =P
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I advocated Kirk Cousins through the process. I feel he can be a starter and would have made a good back up. Did well in place of RGIII.

This year is loaded at QB. Three or four guys who are lights out, but will command high picks. I dont blame Elway for going out and getting a guy with great tools. I want Brock to be the guy. He has a cannon. It is a good situation. Never denied that ever, just questioned resource allocation.
The draft is just one pool to find players...I don't know if brock is gonna be the guy. But I can't blame elway for getting a player who could have been a top ten this year. In the second round. Especially since the FO has done a good job of filling the roster holes
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He could have been Top 10, he may have not been. This class was very weak, so saying that isn't really a (+) point for him. Would it have been because he was a superior prospect who performed well in his last year at ASU or would it have been because he was the "best" in a terrible class for QBs? Perhaps a mixture of both.

The way things ended for him at ASU didn't really invest much confidence in him coming back, so he came out. He was up and down the whole year. Very raw. Has a lot to learn. Hope he turns out to be worth it.
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A worthy clipboard holder indeed.
If he leads this team to the playoffs in 2 years when Manning is gone, I'd love for you to make a new post and eat your crow properly. Will you do that? Why the F are so concerned about him holding a clipboard for a few years while he leans. Did wonders for A. Rogers, and he was a 1st round pick. Damn dude, you are totally wrong on this. It was a mid 2nd round pick. A few more spots and we're talking 3rd rounder. Obviously Elway was right. The team last year easily had the tools to win the whole thing, even with the guy on the bench holding the clipboard.
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