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Old 06-19-2013, 05:40 PM   #101
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This thread would have been a lot different if it happened while bush is in office.
It did happen while he was in office.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:45 PM   #102
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Cool bring that thread you started up and lets see what you said about it.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:47 PM   #103
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Seriously is there anything that wasn't Bush's fault, done under bush, started under Bush, a Bush idea that you are willing to pin on Obama? Anything? Bueller?
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:48 AM   #104
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Speaking with Charlie Rose, Obama portrayed himself–as he did in his recent address on his drone and detention policies–as copiously working to strike a balance. “[W]e don’t have to sacrifice our freedom in order to achieve security. That’s a false choice,” Obama told Rose. “And so every program that we engage in, what I’ve said is, ‘Let’s examine and make sure that we’re making the right tradeoffs.’” Obama also clarified key points that may be lost on people who only follow the surveillance debate casually–namely that “if you are a U.S. person, the NSA cannot listen to your telephone calls, and the NSA cannot target your emails,” as he put it. A longtime critic of fear-mongering about terrorism, Obama was tonally measured about the threat.
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:51 AM   #105
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What is a U.S. person?
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:58 AM   #106
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What is a U.S. person?
That was an intersting way to phrase it...
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:26 AM   #107
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What is a U.S. person?
It’s a term for a U.S. citizen that has lost all constitutional rights
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:19 AM   #108
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Good point. Touche!

I think the main point I have about guns is that I'm worried about arming people who are stupid enough to follow empty headed ideologues like Bachmann and Palin while sucking up the insane rants of bozos like Glenn Beck. See the problem there?

It's fine to imagine upstanding, well educated and involved citizens owning firearms as a bulwark against tyranny. It's another thing when you're arming morons.
You could just as easy as arm someone with a computer or pen and put out **** that would make yellow journalism of the Spanish American War look like a spit wad fight. As said before, "The pen is mightier than the sword".
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:20 PM   #109
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"...we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist." Thus spoke President Dwight Eisenhower in January 1961.

Now we have an intelligence-industrial complex composed of close to a dozen and a half federal intelligence agencies and services, many of which are duplicative, and in the last decade or two the growth of a private sector intelligence world. Originally initiated in the National Security Act of 1947 as instrumental in conducting the Cold War, this massive expansion of data collection and analysis continued on even after the Cold War ended in 1991 and then received renewed energy with the declaration of a "global war on terrorism."

It is dangerous to have a technology-empowered government capable of amassing private data; it is even more dangerous to privatize this Big Brother world.

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The 11 FISA judges, chosen from throughout the federal bench for seven-year terms, are all appointed by the chief justice. In fact, every FISA judge currently serving was appointed by Chief Justice John Roberts, who will continue making such appointments until he retires or dies. FISA judges don’t need confirmation — by Congress or anyone else.

No other part of U.S. law works this way. The chief justice can’t choose the judges who rule on health law, or preside over labor cases, or decide software patents. But when it comes to surveillance, the composition of the bench is entirely in his hands and so, as a result, is the extent to which the National Security Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation can spy on citizens.

“It really is up to these FISA judges to decide what the law means and what the NSA and FBI gets to do,” said Julian Sanchez, a privacy scholar at the Cato Institute. “So Roberts is single handedly choosing the people who get to decide how much surveillance we’re subject to.”
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:03 AM   #111
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You won't find that bull**** anywhere in the Constitution. Of course, none of these ****ers pays attention to the Constitution anymore.
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