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Old 06-05-2013, 10:32 AM   #151
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:41 PM   #152
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Don't forget about the ATF fiasco operation Fast and Furious where Eric Holder and his ATF bozos sold arms to the Mexican drug cartels in some cockamanny scheme to trace arms. This in and of itself is highly questionable and probably illegal activity by Eric Holder. Then, those same illegal arms were used to kill a US agent! But wait, it gets better! Gun laws, that is, more restrictions on the 2nd amendment were inacted because of this huge screwup by BO's thugs! So guess what! The American Citizen just got penalized for BO and Eric's little gun running scheme!!

Great work BO!! Thanks Eric Holder!! Bonus points for you guys, amirite!?!

BS, Bush started that fiasco and nothing was ever linked to Holder or Obama.................

QUIT MAKING UP YOUR BS...................
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:44 PM   #153
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Tony give you a little education. The term "Cluster ****" is military term that means multiple things going wrong at the same time.

I referenced natural disasters, shootings etc. None of which have anything to do with the POTUS. My point was the president is often chasing the latest disaster or problem that is beyond his control to have the time organize massive conspiracies that would hundreds if not thousands of people.

The reference to disorganized is GOVERNMENT. Does that really need any explanation?

You'll be happy to know I did ask him who killed Kennedy and he just smiled.


Nice to know one conservative isn't trying to put every made up scenario in BOs lap.

However you do know that if he did NOT go to these disaster areas that every Prez does the right would go off about that as well................

Can't be both ways................


Rest of you conservative clowns making up BS as you go along can kiss my ass.................
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:58 PM   #154
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BS, Bush started that fiasco and nothing was ever linked to Holder or Obama.................

QUIT MAKING UP YOUR BS...................
gunwalking was started 2006 but the ATF didn't allow the guns to leave country. The ATF would intercept them first. The Fast and Furious situation was much different in that it was no longer run by the field agents of the ATF but consolidated directly under Eric Holder and his office. It was combined with other federal agencies like the Department of Homeland Security and it was all directly run through the US Attorney General's office. Yet Eric Holder denies knowing about it. The F&F operation allowed a huge number of arms to be purchased and leave the country whereas this was not the way the operation was intended to run initially. These arms, which left the country, were used in many crimes throughout Mexico and crimes in the US too. This was all done under the Attorney General's direct control, yet Holder claims he didn't know about it? Yet his office basically redesigned the entire operation and took it out of the ATF's control. But Eric Holder claims he didn't know this?
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:33 PM   #155
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gunwalking was started 2006 but the ATF didn't allow the guns to leave country. The ATF would intercept them first. The Fast and Furious situation was much different in that it was no longer run by the field agents of the ATF but consolidated directly under Eric Holder and his office. It was combined with other federal agencies like the Department of Homeland Security and it was all directly run through the US Attorney General's office. Yet Eric Holder denies knowing about it. The F&F operation allowed a huge number of arms to be purchased and leave the country whereas this was not the way the operation was intended to run initially. These arms, which left the country, were used in many crimes throughout Mexico and crimes in the US too. This was all done under the Attorney General's direct control, yet Holder claims he didn't know about it? Yet his office basically redesigned the entire operation and took it out of the ATF's control. But Eric Holder claims he didn't know this?


Yep that gun walking worked perfectly under Bush but when the black guy took office it went to chit..............

How many times have that dumbass Darrell ISSA had hearings on this ?

What exactly did he find.............

Just drop it, you lost this a long time ago.
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Yep that gun walking worked perfectly under Bush but when the black guy took office it went to chit..............

How many times have that dumbass Darrell ISSA had hearings on this ?

What exactly did he find.............

Just drop it, you lost this a long time ago.
it was a bad policy under Bush but it definitely escalated under Holder and Obama. If Eric Holder is so great, why didn't he discontinue the operation instead of taking it over? Why did he bring it under his control? Why did he re-organize the entire operation and put it on steroids instead of squashing it?

You can deny this stuff all you want. Yah, it was a bad policy from the beginning but pretty limited in its scope. But whatever...

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Old 06-06-2013, 09:24 AM   #157
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About one in four Americans suspect that President Barack Obama might be the antichrist, more than a third believe that global warming is a hoax and more than half suspect that a secretive global elite is trying to set up a New World Order, according to a poll released on Tuesday.

The survey, which was conducted by Public Policy Polling, asked a sample of American voters about a number of conspiracy theories, phrasing the questions in eye-catching language that will have the country's educators banging their heads on their desks. The study revealed that 13% of respondents thought Obama was "the antichrist", while another 13% were "not sure" – and so were at least appeared to be open to the possibility that he might be. Some 73% of people were able to say outright that they did not think Obama was "the antichrist".

The survey also showed that 37% of Americans thought that global warming was a hoax, while 12% were not sure and a slim majority – 51% – agreed with the overwhelming majority view of the scientific establishment and thought that it was not. The survey also revealed that 28% of people believed in a sinister global New World Order conspiracy, aimed at ruling the whole world through authoritarian government. Another 25% were "not sure" and only a minority of American voters – 46% – thought such a conspiracy theory was not true.

At least some of the insane theories suggested by the poll were dismissed by large majorities. For example, only 7% of Americans in the survey believed the moon landing was faked, 14% believed in Bigfoot and 4% accepted that "shape-shifting alien reptilian people control our world by taking on human form". In other good news, Paul McCartney will be relieved that a mere 5% of respondents believed that he died in a car crash in 1966 and was replaced by a double so the Beatles could continue their careers, and just 11% embraced the concept that the US government knowingly allowed the terror attacks of 11 September 2001 to take place.

The survey was carried out in order to explore how voters' political beliefs impact on their willingness to embrace conspiracy theories – it did indeed find that the partisan divide that is blamed for many problems in Washington DC also extends to the world of paranoia, aliens and Sasquatch. For example, when it comes to thinking global warming is a hoax some 58% of Republicans agreed and 77% of Democrats disagreed. While 20% of Republicans believed Obama is the antichrist heralding the End Times, only 13% of independents did and just 6% of Democrats.

"Even crazy conspiracy theories are subject to partisan polarization, especially when there are political overtones involved. But most Americans reject the wackier ideas out there about fake moon landings and shape-shifting lizards," said PPP president Dean Debnam.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:38 PM   #158
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Left, right, liberal or conservative it don't matter.

Truth matters and facts matters.................

If a republican has a better idea I'll vote for him or her but that hasn't been the case for years.

Republican party screwed up our economy with stupid wars that you conspiracy idiots should be all over and tax breaks for the rich at same time we were blowing our load overseas unnecessarily.

Then the housing bubble and wall streeet fiasco under BUSH.............

Complete and udder lies and misdirection by republican administration.

If you want to look for issues there they are, factual and on record.

No need to make anything up.


Then the ****ing republicans block every jobs bill and anything to help fix the mess they themselves created...................un ****ing believable.

Hell they even block his nominees and take three times longer to even get a vote for the nominees.

What does it take for you republican voting fools to see the obstruction of these idiots that you helped put in power.

We need to fix things and have reasonable, factual based conversations with compromise , not blocking everyhting he wants because they hate him and he kicked their ass ( although that wasn't much considering Romney) and aw yes the big one...he is BLACK.
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