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Old 11-12-2013, 09:05 AM   #51
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There are thousands of Teslas on the road in the US. Last quarter sales alone were around 5,500. Only three have caught fire, and none due to mechanical failure.

How about those ICE cars?



That means around 85,800 gas-powered cars in the USA caught fire every year between 2008-2010 WITHOUT HITTING ANYTHING.

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Old 11-12-2013, 09:11 AM   #52
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you can only compare brand new car fires to the Tesla as comparing it to cars that have beeen on the road for 15 yrs held together by ducktape and spit. How many new cars catch fire after small accidents compared to the Tesla. I talked to a friend in the business and he said 3 fires no big deal, but 3 fires on new cars, that only 5000 have hit the road, yeah its a problem.

mercedes sells about what 100 thousand cars a yr. So they would have to have like 60 brand new cars or more burst into flames after crashes. So dishonest to try and compare Teslas, just on the road, brand ****ing new, to car fires of regular cars. Nope has to be compared to brand new cars less then 2 yrs old.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:23 AM   #53
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you can only compare brand new car fires to the Tesla as comparing it to cars that have beeen on the road for 15 yrs held together by ducktape and spit. How many new cars catch fire after small accidents compared to the Tesla. I talked to a friend in the business and he said 3 fires no big deal, but 3 fires on new cars, that only 5000 have hit the road, yeah its a problem.

mercedes sells about what 100 thousand cars a yr. So they would have to have like 60 brand new cars or more burst into flames after crashes. So dishonest to try and compare Teslas, just on the road, brand ****ing new, to car fires of regular cars. Nope has to be compared to brand new cars less then 2 yrs old.
Well I talked to a friend in the business and he said your friend had no clue what he's talking about, so...there we are.

Hooray for anecdotes and dumb arguments.
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you can only compare brand new car fires to the Tesla as comparing it to cars that have beeen on the road for 15 yrs held together by ducktape and spit. How many new cars catch fire after small accidents compared to the Tesla. I talked to a friend in the business and he said 3 fires no big deal, but 3 fires on new cars, that only 5000 have hit the road, yeah its a problem.

mercedes sells about what 100 thousand cars a yr. So they would have to have like 60 brand new cars or more burst into flames after crashes. So dishonest to try and compare Teslas, just on the road, brand ****ing new, to car fires of regular cars. Nope has to be compared to brand new cars less then 2 yrs old.
The dishonesty is saying these are "small accidents". They are accidents that result from the vehicle impacting large road debris at highway speed (or concrete barriers at race speeds). The fact that the vehicles sustain that type of impact and damage and there is no associated loss of control or immediate loss of function in the vehicle is actually quite impressive.

Like I said, the anti-EV ninnies want to frame this as Tesla's spontaneously erupting in flames for no good reason, and you're a perfect example of such idiocy.

The real comparison is overall outcome of various cars under similar circumstances. How to various cars handle impacting a 75lb chunk of steel @ 75PMH, or crashing through concrete barriers @ 100MPH? How many injuries and/or deaths in similar accidents?
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:58 PM   #55
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I've been in some bad accidents never any fires. We deal with auto crashes about 100 times a yr at the office. In all that time. 0 fires.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:00 PM   #56
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On got rear ended 75 mph, neither car burst into flames. Very rare for that to happen. Thats why since Telsas haven't even had many crashes yet this amount is alarming. Obviously the libs always say nothing to see here. We will see but stock and sales will take some hits.
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It's not the technology anyways they just wanted to lower the cars gravity so they put battery low to the ground. Turns out the protection down there although a lot, not enough. Plain and simple they are going to have do something about it because its not safe when in a collision. The NTSB is already looking into it. Not like it can't be fixed most likely.
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Cut, I don't think you're supposed to be reading the files while you're filing then away. That's not an efficient way to be a file clerk.
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On got rear ended 75 mph, neither car burst into flames. Very rare for that to happen. Thats why since Telsas haven't even had many crashes yet this amount is alarming. Obviously the libs always say nothing to see here. We will see but stock and sales will take some hits.
So, alternative energy is now a "liberal" plot?
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you can only compare brand new car fires to the Tesla as comparing it to cars that have beeen on the road for 15 yrs held together by ducktape and spit. How many new cars catch fire after small accidents compared to the Tesla. I talked to a friend in the business and he said 3 fires no big deal, but 3 fires on new cars, that only 5000 have hit the road, yeah its a problem.
Your numbers are a bit off. 5,500 is only last quarter sales. Last year Tesla sold 2,500 and this year, although current sales numbers aren't available, Tesla report they are on track to sell 21,000 by the end of the year (which is only about 7 weeks away). That means there are around 20,000 Model Ss on the road, not 5,000.

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mercedes sells about what 100 thousand cars a yr. So they would have to have like 60 brand new cars or more burst into flames after crashes. So dishonest to try and compare Teslas, just on the road, brand ****ing new, to car fires of regular cars. Nope has to be compared to brand new cars less then 2 yrs old.
Bull. Just because a car is over 2 years old doesn't mean it's a clunker held together by "duct tape and spit." My 2001 PT Cruiser looks and drives like new, is well maintained, and dealer-serviced. Sure maybe some of the fires were due to poorly maintained older cars, but it's "dishonest" to claim I'm comparing new Teslas exclusively to old crapmobiles.

BTW, did you bother to tell your "friend in the business" that one of the Teslas plowed through a cement wall at 100 MPH and hit a tree before catching fire? Did you mention that the other two struck large metal objects at highway speeds before catching fire? Did you mention that there were not only no fatalities there were no major injuries to any of the drivers (or anybody else for that matter)?

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Old 11-12-2013, 07:29 PM   #61
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Yeah he said no car should catch fire from hitting something in the road. If GM put a car out that did it would have already been recalled.
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This guy does all the lemon law cases for Toyota. He knows his stuff when it comes to auto recalls, the NTSB, and when and what makes the govt move on it.

Right now Tesla to small to care about some fires until someone dies.
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Yeah he said no car should catch fire from hitting something in the road. If GM put a car out that did it would have already been recalled.
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SEGUIN A patrol car burst into flames after striking an object in the road Thursday afternoon.
http://seguingazette.com/news/articl...9bb2963f4.html

Look, I'll grant you that Tesla should look into these incidents and try to make the car safer. But out of about 20,000 Model Ss on the road today, none have caught fire due to mechanical problems. Alternately about 90,000 ICE cars do every year, and I'm sure they're not all clunkers. I think it's ludicrous to assume the Model S is less safe than ICE cars.

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Yeah he said no car should catch fire from hitting something in the road. If GM put a car out that did it would have already been recalled.
total bull****. they certainly do.
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a drive shaft. Also it was the oil that leaked and ignited from the oil pan. We are talking about the fuel, the battery that powers the car, way different. A gas tank exploding would be more comparable.
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We are talking about the design the power system, not the fact if oil somehow leaks onto hot objects it catches fire.
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Electric carbatteries can't be places where Tesla placed it. Would you put the gas tank under the car in the front?
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It's a design flaw and Musk refuses to fix it. They put the battery there because without doing it the car does not handle well.
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Not saying electric cars aren't a good idea. Just saying that patting Obama on the back like his loan made it happen for Tesla, and Tesla is paving the way for American cars isn't accurate. The car was obviously produced too fast.
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I still think 20 yrs from now though it will by hydrogen fuel cells because electrcity too expensive to produce and store in batteries.
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a drive shaft. Also it was the oil that leaked and ignited from the oil pan. We are talking about the fuel, the battery that powers the car, way different. A gas tank exploding would be more comparable.
Piss poor attempt to move the goal posts.

Doesn't matter if it's the petrol, the oil, the transmission fluid, or any other component. Both EVS and ICE are vulnerable to fire after severe damage cause by a high energy impact with significant road debris.

When you're carrying around dense energy sources, sometimes those energy sources release in uncontrolled ways, especially after damage is incurred.

Go figure.
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Does anyone on the OM own a Tesla or are you planning to buy one?
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I plan on retiring to an island and driving a golf cart. Do they make golf carts?
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I plan on retiring to an island and driving a golf cart. Do they make golf carts?
Lot's of people where I live drive golf carts from their house to the lake or marina. All the bass boats have large battery powered trolling motors, I guess we are way ahead of the curve.
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It's a design flaw and Musk refuses to fix it. They put the battery there because without doing it the car does not handle well.

Both unsubstantiated assertions. You don't know how well the Model S handles w/o the pack in that location and Musk hasn't indicated that there will be no improvements in future Tesla designs to better protect against road debris.
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