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Old 05-30-2013, 11:26 PM   #26
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Voting record don't lie. Own it.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:25 AM   #27
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The only progressives that matter are in Hollywood and in the media. One gives money they other spins the story.
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:45 AM   #28
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Progressive Socialists journalists feigning outrage over their hand-picked corrupt, ineffective, lame-duck President in order to garner support for the next leftist whack job's (Hillary Clinton) Presidential run?

You don't say...

Just like rats jumping off a sinking ship. Comical really.
Like most RW trogs, all you can do is cover your ears and keep shouting what Fox tells you to shout. blah blah blah
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:56 AM   #29
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Geez, and here I thought Ezra might write about that closed door Obama Superfriends White House Strategy Session he attended after scandalpalooza broke out a couple weeks ago.

It's good to know that you keep pretty much every Administration Tool so handy in that tool belt of yours.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:03 AM   #30
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Like most RW trogs, all you can do is cover your ears and keep shouting what Fox tells you to shout. blah blah blah
Who the **** watches Fox?

Despite all the cover-ups, the truth about this administration is finally starting to come out for everyone to see.

Rat overboard!
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Yeah. Fox has the highest ratings in Red State America but nobody watches it.
And yet, they come on here and post the Fox bull**** almost word for word.

The Right Wingers think the Left is monolithic simply because the Right is monolithic and they can't comprehend the idea of a multi-faceted, multi-view political universe. If you don't toe the line on the Right, they kick you out of the club. It's like a religion; Swear fealty to the dogma or get out. The Left allows for freedom of speech.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:25 PM   #32
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Yeah. Fox has the highest ratings in Red State America but nobody watches it.
And yet, they come on here and post the Fox bull**** almost word for word.

The Right Wingers think the Left is monolithic simply because the Right is monolithic and they can't comprehend the idea of a multi-faceted, multi-view political universe. If you don't toe the line on the Right, they kick you out of the club. It's like a religion; Swear fealty to the dogma or get out. The Left allows for freedom of speech.
Did Fox ever attend closed door White House Superfriends media strategy sessions with GW, like we saw your high priests of truth do last week?

God help Dub if he'd ever asked the media for an 'off the record' media conversation about any of his various scandals. You guys would've been seriously losing your ****.

Instead, you work overtime defending MS-(Holder is just like Moses) NBC.

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Old 05-31-2013, 01:04 PM   #33
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Yeah. Fox has the highest ratings in Red State America but nobody watches it.
And yet, they come on here and post the Fox bull**** almost word for word.

The Right Wingers think the Left is monolithic simply because the Right is monolithic and they can't comprehend the idea of a multi-faceted, multi-view political universe. If you don't toe the line on the Right, they kick you out of the club. It's like a religion; Swear fealty to the dogma or get out. The Left allows for freedom of speech.
Cool story.

The Obama IRS attacked free speech with politically motivated questionnaires targeting political opponents, and the DOJ attacked free speech while illegally obtaining phone records of the AP.

All part of the Obama administration's unrelenting onslaught on the Bill of Rights.
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Cool story.

The Obama IRS attacked free speech with politically motivated questionnaires targeting political opponents, and the DOJ attacked free speech while illegally obtaining phone records of the AP.

All part of the Obama administration's unrelenting onslaught on the Bill of Rights.
Don't forget about the Attorney General of the United States lying to and venue shopping for a Federal Judge that would grant him a warrant to read through a well-known journalist's emails and phone records.

The same Attorney General who we're told is now going to investigate if there was any possible wrongdoing.
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Obtaining the phone records of the Associated Press by means of subpoena is not illegal.
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Obtaining the phone records of the Associated Press by means of subpoena is not illegal.
Obtaining a warrant on a journalist under the espionage act and then claiming under oath that you'd never dream of prosecuting a journalist under the espionage act... yeah that's illegal.

Either he lied under oath to the House Judiciary Committee, or he lied while seeking a warrant from a federal judge. Why he's still receiving this administration's protection is beyond me.
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Old 05-31-2013, 01:54 PM   #38
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Lol.
Yeah, I know. If Ashcroft had been reading journalists' emails and grabbing entire news organizations' phone records, you'd be all yucks and smiles too I bet.
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Cool story.

The Obama IRS attacked free speech with politically motivated questionnaires targeting political opponents, and the DOJ attacked free speech while illegally obtaining phone records of the AP.

All part of the Obama administration's unrelenting onslaught on the Bill of Rights.
So what? That's not the point of argument. You stated there were no progressives in government opposed to Obama's policies. I showed you were wrong. I didn't vote for the man. Don't ask me to defend him. Obama is what Republicans were twenty years ago. Republicans have gone so far Right, they make Obama look like a socialist. The point is, it's complete propaganda and bull****. Like I said, Obama's healthcare program is right out of the belly of the Heritage Foundation and Bob Dole. Just because Fox News pulls the strings on its little puppets and gets them to jump around in a frenzy crying out "Socialism!" doesn't make it so.
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Obtaining a warrant on a journalist under the espionage act and then claiming under oath that you'd never dream of prosecuting a journalist under the espionage act... yeah that's illegal.

Either he lied under oath to the House Judiciary Committee, or he lied while seeking a warrant from a federal judge. Why he's still receiving this administration's protection is beyond me.
The investigation was not aimed at the journalist by the government source that leaked the information. Warrant was target to capture that source through the journalist because they knew he had classified information.
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The investigation was not aimed at the journalist by the government source that leaked the information. Warrant was target to capture that source through the journalist because they knew he had classified information.
You can't represent someone as a co-conspirator to a crime in federal court, and then say under oath you never contemplated prosecuting them.

If you had no intention of prosecuting them, you had no business labeling them as a suspect in federal court in order to secretly obtain their (and their families') records.
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:51 PM   #42
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You guys need to rise above the partisan bickering.

The bottom line is this: Both parties are controlled by Wall Street. Obama no doubt cut a deal with the financial elite back in 2008 -- ceded power to them on money matters -- just as Bush did.

Obama picked Geithner to run the US Treasury. That says it all.

The fed has been keeping the too big to fails on life support. Monthly transfusions of cash.

How long can it go on? No way to tell.

What is the weak link? Probably the dollar.

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Old 05-31-2013, 05:43 PM   #44
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Beavis you'll love this Sullivan rant:

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...esistance-ctd/


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The truth is that the GOP is the most extreme, nihilist pseudo-conservative party I have seen in my lifetime in any developed country.

The GOP, for example, is in favor of torture as a national policy, placing it outside every mainstream right-of-center party in the West. How far have they traveled? Reagan strongly supported and signed the UN Convention Against Torture (and anything even close to it).

On Medicare, Ross is right that premium support, done right, is an arguably centrist position. But we know what Paul Ryan originally wanted – and Obama is the first Democratic president willing to cut Medicare seriously as part of a big fiscal deal. Every time Obama moves to the fiscal right, the GOP moves the goalposts one more time – and then demonize the president for, say, a stimulus package that was one third tax cuts. On social issues, the GOP is now further to the right than it has ever been, while the country has found a new middle. The GOP supports a constitutional amendment to ban gay couples from having any formal rights at all; and a federal ban on all abortions. Again, you have to find a neo-fascist party in other Western countries to see any Western equivalent. The fundamentalists cannot compromise on this – because their God won’t compromise. And the base has no other ideological foundation than fundamentalism of various neurotic kinds.

There’s a case to be made for pure oppositionism. But I truly think Ross under-estimates the depth of the nihilism that truly motivates his party, the thinly veiled racism and unveiled homophobia that courses through its activist veins, and the theocratic impulses that uniquely fire up the base. And I don’t think the fever is breaking. The IRS scandal will deepen and intensify all the defensive and self-defeating paranoia on the partisan right. Issa will be their champion; Ailes the fanner of the conspiratorial flames; and talk radio the defining ideological conversation.
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You can't represent someone as a co-conspirator to a crime in federal court, and then say under oath you never contemplated prosecuting them.

If you had no intention of prosecuting them, you had no business labeling them as a suspect in federal court in order to secretly obtain their (and their families') records.
What are you talking about, yes you can and it happens a lot in leak cases. See the NSA leak with the Baltimore Sun as example.
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What are you talking about, yes you can and it happens a lot in leak cases. See the NSA leak with the Baltimore Sun as example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_...2007_FBI_raids

No mention of the reporter being named a co-conspirator or having his emails or phone records pilfered..

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So what?
So what? You made a ridiculous statement, and I proved you wrong. That's what.

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That's not the point of argument. You stated there were no progressives in government opposed to Obama's policies. I showed you were wrong.
No. You stated that progressives "in government" don't support Obama...which is wrong. Just look at the voting record. Socialist Progressives are in lock-step with Obama, and have voted down the party line.

The Liberal media-types you brought up in your links are not "in government". Like I said, they (and you) feign anger at Obama, because he isn't able to pass into law, and cram the entire liberal agenda down the throats of the American people in one fell swoop. That ability disappeared when the Republicans took over the House in 2010. You want more. He can't deliver (due to numbers). So you jump ship, distance yourself, and begin to coalesce around the next Social Progressive candidate.
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So what? You made a ridiculous statement, and I proved you wrong. That's what.



No. You stated that progressives "in government" don't support Obama...which is wrong. Just look at the voting record. Socialist Progressives are in lock-step with Obama, and have voted down the party line.

The Liberal media-types you brought up in your links are not "in government". Like I said, they (and you) feign anger at Obama, because he isn't able to pass into law, and cram the entire liberal agenda down the throats of the American people in one fell swoop. That ability disappeared when the Republicans took over the House in 2010. You want more. He can't deliver (due to numbers). So you jump ship, distance yourself, and begin to coalesce around the next Social Progressive candidate.
Like most RW troglodytes, you simply ignore any info that doesn't fit your beliefs. It's like talking to a wall, and a dumb wall at that. This is why I wonder if were not heading for civil war. Aholes like you hold political beliefs that are totally separated from reality. You're not defending a political position, so much as a theology. The RW fundamentalists of today have more in common with the Taliban than they do with Goldwater, Nixon or Reagan.

In any legitimate political forum, Obama is considered a centrist, and a right of center centrist at that, IMO. Lumping him in with progressives and/or socialists (which are two different things, btw) is the political equivalent of claiming that Jesus rode dinosaurs. It's so jaw-droppingly wrong that the person making the claim has to be either a fool, or hopelessly ignorant. The truth is that Obama's policies aren't out of line with the last four presidents by more than a fractional percentage, one way or the other.

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You're not defending a political position, so much as a theology. The RW fundamentalists of today have more in common with the Taliban than they do with Goldwater, Nixon or Reagan.
Yup, see post #44 above...
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Yup, see post #44 above...
This country has been suffering under this unending torrent of RW sewage for over twenty years. I'm beginning to wonder if it's ever going to stop. Even McCarthyism had a shelf life. The Right Wing fanatic movement in the U.S. goes on and on and on like some kind of uncontrollable infestation.

To quote the article: The result, as I’ve written before, is that President Obama’s record makes him look like a moderate Republican from the late-90s.

And that's a fact. Obama has much more in common with Bob Dole than he does with Teddy Kennedy.

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