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Old 05-16-2013, 01:01 PM   #1
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Default OT: Able Archer Declassified Part 3: Oleg Gordievsky Meets The President.

Update: Here's Part III

Here's what you've all been waiting for: A picture of Oleg Gordievsky with the president.

Part III: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB428/

Part II: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB427/

Part I: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB426/

The 1983 "Able Archer" nuclear war scare was probably the closest the world's come to a mushroom cloud since the Cuban Missile Crisis... And the incident is pretty unknown, hidden under a shroud of classification.

Well, I'm a historian, and have been travelling to Archives, Presidential Libraries, doing interviews, and filing Freedom of Information Act requests and appeals for a damn long time (about a decade) trying to get the the bottom of the story. And here is it. I finally published the first of 3 electronic briefing books of declassificed documents on the War Scare for my work, The National Security Archive.

Frankly, Parts 2 and 3 are a little bit more interesting, but if any of you guys like history (or contemplating how dangerous a nuclear armed world was/is) you might like giving this a read.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB426/

I'll try to answer any questions you got.

Also, anyone recognize an the name of an Omane poster that's mentioned in these documents, lolol? Bizzare.

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And here's the cliff notes version. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013...-archer-scare/
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The 1983 "Able Archer" nuclear war scare was probably the closest the world's come to a mushroom cloud since the Cuban Missile Crisis... And the incident is pretty unknown, hidden under a shroud of classification.

Well, I'm a historian, and have been travelling to Archives, Presidential Libraries, doing interviews, and filing Freedom of Information Act requests and appeals for a damn long time (about a decade) trying to get the the bottom of the story. And here is it. I finally published the first of 3 electronic briefing books of declassificed documents on the War Scare for my work, The National Security Archive.

Frankly, Parts 2 and 3 are a little bit more interesting, but if any of you guys like history (or contemplating how dangerous a nuclear armed world was/is) you might like giving this a read.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB426/

I'll try to answer any questions you got.

Also, anyone recognize an the name of an Omane poster that's mentioned in these documents, lolol? Bizzare.
I thought your name was Nate Smith?

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Oleg Gordievsky...dougle-agent, interesting story

http://www.timeout.com/london/things...vsky-interview

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Bookmarking and will read on my way to Fargo tomorrow. Congratulations on piecing this together, Natedogg. You should be proud of yourself.
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Oleg Gordievsky...whoa
I swear someone has been ****ing w me for years, hahah. I even pmed him once and got a very strange rambling response. lol.
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Bookmarking and will read on my way to Fargo tomorrow. Congratulations on piecing this together, Natedogg. You should be proud of yourself.

Thx man. Lot of work but a lot of fun too... if you like history.
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Love history. Someone did an alternative history in a POLS course I did on Able Archer, but since there wasn't much info, I had really no idea what he was talking about. So I am sure I will love this!
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Do you work at GWU then? Or did they just help publish? Either way, awesome.
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Love history. Someone did an alternative history in a POLS course I did on Able Archer, but since there wasn't much info, I had really no idea what he was talking about. So I am sure I will love this!
Awesome! The National Security Archive is an independent non profit that is "affiliated" w George Washington. Basically, they give us space and host our web stuff for cheap.
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I work for GWU. I watched a documentary on this topic the other night so I am looking forward to reading your articles when I have some free time tomorrow.
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I believe the closest it ever came was in 1983 when Russian spy satellites malfunctioned and reported the launch of 5 minuteman ICBMs heading towards mainland Russia. The officer in charge chose to inform the central command of a malfunction despite having no evidence and turned off the alarm each time it went off. It was discovered to be an error with an infrared camera in a satellite.
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I believe the closest it ever came was in 1983 when Russian spy satellites malfunctioned and reported the launch of 5 minuteman ICBMs heading towards mainland Russia. The officer in charge chose to inform the central command of a malfunction despite having no evidence and turned off the alarm each time it went off. It was discovered to be an error with an infrared camera in a satellite.
Stanislav Petrov. Yup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
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I work for GWU. I watched a documentary on this topic the other night so I am looking forward to reading your articles when I have some free time tomorrow.
Sweet man. Roll up the the NS Archive and check out some documents sometime.
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I read an interview with a former Reagan admin official from this time period. At the time this was going on, there were those that were pushing the Pentagon to find a way to win a thermo nuclear war with Soviets.
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I did not ramble....
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We were contacted to sell one of the last remaining available Titan 1 ICBM sites constructed underground?..massive structures.

These shot off the intercontinental missiles (ICBM’s) that cost $1.5M per launch! They were constructed by Glenn L Martin company…or ‘The Martin Company’ in 1957…we know as Lockheed Martin for a cool price tage of $1.6Billion in 1960 dollars or $170Million per base. Amazingly in operation for just 3-5 years before they were deemed ‘outdated’ and decommissioned.

The thermo nuk war founded many of the most wealthy companies we have today...Lockheed, Boeing, GE, etc. the creation of a multi generational monster...still feeds off the public dollar today and controls a country seeking faux sense of 'protection'.

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The 1983 "Able Archer" nuclear war scare was probably the closest the world's come to a mushroom cloud since the Cuban Missile Crisis... And the incident is pretty unknown, hidden under a shroud of classification.

Well, I'm a historian, and have been travelling to Archives, Presidential Libraries, doing interviews, and filing Freedom of Information Act requests and appeals for a damn long time (about a decade) trying to get the the bottom of the story. And here is it. I finally published the first of 3 electronic briefing books of declassificed documents on the War Scare for my work, The National Security Archive.

Frankly, Parts 2 and 3 are a little bit more interesting, but if any of you guys like history (or contemplating how dangerous a nuclear armed world was/is) you might like giving this a read.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB426/

I'll try to answer any questions you got.

Also, anyone recognize an the name of an Omane poster that's mentioned in these documents, lolol? Bizzare.
Very cool stuff man! Rep
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We were contacted to sell one of the last remaining available Titan 1 ICBM sites constructed underground?..massive structures.

These shot off the intercontinental missiles (ICBM’s) that cost $1.5M per launch! They were constructed by Glenn L Martin company…or ‘The Martin Company’ in 1957…we know as Lockheed Martin for a cool price tage of $1.6Billion in 1960 dollars or $170Million per base. Amazingly in operation for just 3-5 years before they were deemed ‘outdated’ and decommissioned.

The thermo nuk war founded many of the most wealthy companies we have today...Lockheed, Boeing, GE, etc. the creation of a multi generational monster...still feeds off the public dollar today and controls a country seeking faux sense of 'protection'.
Who do you think built the rockets and space ships that got us into orbit, to the moon and back, the shuttle program and even parts of the ISS?
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Who do you think built the rockets and space ships that got us into orbit, to the moon and back, the shuttle program and even parts of the ISS?
Fear built it all... Derived from missile gap propaganda. Cant wait to see what the next wave of 'fear' creates. Notice How much more time we will take to develop a rationale appeasement to avoid arms race II. Someone predict the next economic race so we can make enuff to buy this friggin team and resign Clady.

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