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Old 05-22-2013, 07:20 AM   #151
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Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122
You mean when you switch from eating high sugar, high fat, high salt diet to a diet rich in vegetables and fruits you'll be healthier?

Again, this is such a stunning revelation I am nearly speechless. No one ever told me this.

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Old 05-22-2013, 07:23 AM   #152
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:26 AM   #153
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You mean when you switch from eating high sugar, high fat, high salt diet to a diet rich in vegetables and fruits you'll be healthier?

Again, this is such a stunning revelation I am nearly speechless. No one ever told me this.

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You crack me up my man. I provide loads of evidence you are looking for. You immediately dismiss it with out even looking at it. We could put irrefutable evidence right in your lap and you would still deny it without even giving it a chance.

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Old 05-22-2013, 07:36 AM   #154
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You crack me up my man. I provide loads of evidence you are looking for. You eminently dismiss it with out even looking at it. We could irrefutable evidence right in your lap and you would still deny it even giving it a chance.
You haven't provided any evidence, let alone anything even remotely irrefutable.

You've provided youtube videos that are fully of subjective, anecdotal stores (sometimes completely unrealted) and that make claims with exactly no evidence. I've told you what I want (nay, what any reasonable person evaluating something would want).

You've provided exactly the opposite.

Putting some schmuck in a lab coat (or some nice old lady) in front of a camera to talk about having a cure and evidence is not evidence. It's nothing more than a collection of bald claims.

Making the, again, stunning revelation that switching from the McDonald's diet to something closer to a sensible diet improves health is no evidence of the claims regarding cancer.
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:41 AM   #155
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First of all it's not simply diet. It's mental, emotion and environment toxicity as well. There is an abundance of evidence out there of the power of detoxifying the body and eliminated disease, you just refuse to accept it or explore it because of your indoctrination in a faulty fear based system and your belief in misinformation "debunking" natural healing.

Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122

Forks Over Knives http://www.hulu.com/watch/279734

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 90 Days http://vimeo.com/27278058

Healing Cancer From Inside Out http://a.blip.tv/scripts/shoggplayer...andlink&enable

Burzynski: Cancer is serious business http://a.blip.tv/scripts/shoggplayer...andlink&enable

The Beautiful Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlYin0U9qIQ

Cancer is curable now http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Zv3fiCbPrhc

Dying to have known http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoUl7F7dWdE

Marine pytoplankton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvKFsEwPwI

Juicing raw cannabis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xPmR...&feature=share

Hemp oil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nm7nqUigFA

Soursop http://www.collective-evolution.com/...trong-evidnce/
FYI the first 3 links are not directly related to cancer, the remainder are.
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How about you provide me all this evidence debunking my cancer links? Unlike you, I will gladly explore and make my own evaluation of it.
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You crack me up my man. I provide loads of evidence you are looking for. You immediately dismiss it with out even looking at it. We could put irrefutable evidence right in your lap and you would still deny it without even giving it a chance.

I told ya so.


This guy and hogheaven have no interest in investigating this. This is the trouble with arrogance, it causes you to dismiss without investigation.

They display the most crippling kind of ignorance, thinking they know it all.

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You haven't provided any evidence, let alone anything even remotely irrefutable.

You've provided youtube videos that are fully of subjective, anecdotal stores (sometimes completely unrealted) and that make claims with exactly no evidence. I've told you what I want (nay, what any reasonable person evaluating something would want).

You've provided exactly the opposite.

Putting some schmuck in a lab coat (or some nice old lady) in front of a camera to talk about having a cure and evidence is not evidence. It's nothing more than a collection of bald claims.

Making the, again, stunning revelation that switching from the McDonald's diet to something closer to a sensible diet improves health is no evidence of the claims regarding cancer.
You sir are a damn fool.
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How about you provide me all this evidence debunking my cancer links? Unlike you, I will gladly explore and make my own evaluation of it.
You're making the claim, the burden of evidence is on you. I've provided you with the standard of evidence that I would consider (which is pretty much THE standard of evidence, not just something I made up).

The only thing remotely interesting you posted was the article on graviola -- which does not support your claim (even if not bullsh*t) as it's talking about a potential treatment derived from the graviola plant, which is not the same thing as simply eating the thing.
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You sir are a damn fool.
It's foolish to ask for evidence of something eh? In what alternate realm do you exist?
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I told ya so.


This guy and hogheaven have no interest in investigating this. This is the trouble with arrogance, it causes you to dismiss without investigation.

They display the most crippling kind of ignorance, thinking they know it all.

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It is what Jesus meant when he said you must become like a child.

Suspend what you think you know and explore.

The wisest of men realizes he of himself knows very little

That you accept anything which conforms to your confirmation bias and subjective experience (often extrapolated far beyond even that experience) does not make you an enlightened fella.

If something actually WORKS, it's usually trivial to provide evidence for it. That you can't, and rely on nothing but bald claims, appeals to emotion, anecdotal stories, etc. means you have nothing.
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It's foolish to ask for evidence of something eh? In what alternate realm do you exist?
Experience is evidence my friend. What I provided is full of documented experience.

Do you have any first hand experience or experimentation on the matter? I would love to hear about it.

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If something actually WORKS, it's usually trivial to provide evidence for it. That you can't, and rely on nothing but bald claims, appeals to emotion, anecdotal stories, etc. means you have nothing.
Evidence is in the countless people that have cured themselves of disease by natural methods.
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You're making the claim, the burden of evidence is on you.
So you do not claim that disease isn't a product of toxicity? I guess we have no disagreement then.
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Evidence is in the countless people that have cured themselves of disease by natural methods.
None of that is relevant, unless it meets the following general requirements (you might recognize them):

* Falsifiable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
* Objective (i.e. not subject to personal bias): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objecti...8philosophy%29
* Statistically Relevant (i.e. NOT anecdotal): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance
* Empirical (i.e. derived from actual observation): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence
* Repeatable
* Determined with proper controls which is, of course, a cross cutting concern with the above but worth being singled out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_control

Some schmuck, or even a large number of schmuck CLAIMING something is NOT evidence. I can claim I am Jesus Christ, but that doesn't make it so -- even if I truly believe I am.

And once again, I have no beef with the general claim that better diet = better health. I only have an issue, at the moment, with the claim that diet alone is a cure to cancer.
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So you do not claim that disease isn't a product of toxicity? I guess we have no disagreement then.
More distractions. I already said I have no desire to talk about that at this point.
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Lots of folks claiming they have been rectally violated by little green men from mars. Do you believe that too based solely on their claims?
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None of that is relevant, unless it meets the following general requirements (you might recognize them):

* Falsifiable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
* Objective (i.e. not subject to personal bias): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objecti...8philosophy%29
* Statistically Relevant (i.e. NOT anecdotal): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance
* Empirical (i.e. derived from actual observation): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence
* Repeatable
* Determined with proper controls which is, of course, a cross cutting concern with the above but worth being singled out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_control

Some schmuck, or even a large number of schmuck CLAIMING something is NOT evidence. I can claim I am Jesus Christ, but that doesn't make it so -- even if I truly believe I am.

And once again, I have no beef with the general claim that better diet = better health. I only have an issue, at the moment, with the claim that diet alone is a cure to cancer.
It's guys with a mind set just like yours that killed that "blasphemer" Jesus Christ. Imagine him claiming to be the Son of God.

Oh He was asked for prove to substantiate his claims and when he did not produce proof to their satisfaction he was charged and killed, Eye witnessed miracles were not considered proof.

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More distractions. I already said I have no desire to talk about that at this point.
No of course not it's just the heart of the argument.

Read Sick and Tired by Robert O Young for a good explanation of the importance toxicity plays in disease .
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It's guys with a mind set just like yours that killed that "blasphemer" Jesus Christ. Imagine him claiming to be the Son of God.

Oh He was asked for prove to substantiate his claims and when he did not produce proof to their satisfaction he was charged and killed, Eye witnessed miracles were not considered proof.
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No of course not it's just the heart of the argument.

Read Sick and Tired by Robert O Young for a good explanation of the importance toxicity plays in disease .
No, the heart of the matter is not explainations of supposed effects. The heart of the matter is results demonstrated with evidence.
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It's guys with a mind set just like yours that killed that "blasphemer" Jesus Christ. Imagine him claiming to be the Son of God.

Oh He was asked for prove to substantiate his claims and when he did not produce proof to their satisfaction he was charged and killed, Eye witnessed miracles were not considered proof.
Fedaykin is talking about scientific method, and baja's response is to bring up someone whose existence has never been scientifically proven, and for whom there is no scientific evidence of miracles or divinity.

That takes balls.
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Lots of folks claiming they have been rectally violated by little green men from mars. Do you believe that too based solely on their claims?
Fed, will you never learn? You may not believe in aliens, but they said leprechauns wouldn't give you three wishes if you stole their pot o' gold, too, and NOW look where we're at.
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No, the heart of the matter is not explainations of supposed effects. The heart of the matter is results demonstrated with evidence.

If you had bothered to watch the videos linked by I Have a Light this discussion would be over. Until you do it is over for me.
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Fedaykin is talking about scientific method, and baja's response is to bring up someone whose existence has never been scientifically proven, and for whom there is no scientific evidence of miracles or divinity.

That takes balls.
I am so glad I do not think like you.

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