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Old 05-21-2013, 10:45 AM   #351
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Let's put it this way: The Right Wingers in Congress have brought up a vote to ditch Obamacare almost forty times, and they've been soundly defeated every time. Reality is not their strong suit.
Kind of reminds you of the Left Wing liberals in Congress and gun control, reality is not their strong suit.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:46 AM   #352
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Let's put it this way: The Right Wingers in Congress have brought up a vote to ditch Obamacare almost forty times, and they've been soundly defeated every time. Reality is not their strong suit.
Are you in favor of Obamacare?
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:58 AM   #353
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And Obama started all of these agencies, right? They're all new since 2008? Or did they just all become "out of control" since 2008?
Goes back way further. I can quote St. Ronald if you'd like.

The main point though is that this harsh reality of inept government you cite is consistent with Conservative philosophy. But it's antithetical to the modern populist "social justice" view of the world.

When it comes to the realities of human nature, true Justice is always colored by who you know.
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Are you in favor of Obamacare?
I've already stated it on here many times: Medicare for all.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:22 AM   #355
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[Republicans] have no real health-care agenda. Voters don’t trust them to look out for middle-class economic interests. Republicans are confused and divided about how to solve the party’s problems. What they can do is unite in opposition to the Obama administration’s scandals and mistakes. So that’s what they’re doing. They’re trying to win news cycles when they need votes.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:23 AM   #356
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[The GOP's 1998] strategy was to assume that the [Lewinsky] scandal would redound to their benefit, and that they merely had to sit back and let victory rain o’er them. It didn’t. The current lot should not make the same mistake. Democratic scandal does not take the place of a Republican agenda.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:24 AM   #357
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^ It appears that some of the conservative media gets it.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:28 AM   #358
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Red-faced Republicans, circling and preparing to pounce on a second-term Democratic president they loathe, do not respect, and certainly do not fear. Sound familiar? Perhaps reminiscent of Bill Clinton’s second term, after the Monica Lewinsky story broke? During that time, Republicans became so consumed by their hatred of Clinton and their conviction that this event would bring him down that they convinced themselves the rest of the country was just as outraged by his behavior as they were. By the way, what was Clinton’s lowest Gallup job-approval rating in his second term, throughout the travails of investigations and impeachment? It was 53 percent. The conservative echo machine had worked itself into such a frenzy, the GOP didn’t realize that the outrage was largely confined to the ranks of those who never voted for Clinton anyway.

These days, the country is even more polarized, and the conservative echo chamber is louder than ever before. Many conservatives made it all the way to Election Day last November unaware that their White House nominee was falling short. How could Mitt Romney possibly lose when everyone they knew was voting for him? Except that he did lose, and it wasn’t even a very close race. Five other post-World War II presidential elections had closer outcomes.

The simple fact is that although the Republican sharks are circling, at least so far, there isn’t a trace of blood in the water. A new CNN/ORC survey of 923 Americans this past Friday and Saturday, May 17-18, pegged Obama’s job-approval rating at 53 percent, up a statistically insignificant 2 points since their last poll, April 5-7, which was taken before the Benghazi, IRS, and AP-wiretap stories came to dominate the news and congressional hearing rooms. His disapproval rating was down 2 points since that last survey.

In Gallup’s tracking poll, Obama’s average job-approval rating so far this year is 50 percent. For this past week, May 13-19, his average was 49 percent, the same as the week before. The most recent three-day moving average, through Sunday, May 19, was also 49 percent. Over the past two weeks, even as these three stories/scandals have dominated the news, they have had precisely zero effect on the president’s job-approval numbers. His ratings are still bouncing around in the same narrow range they have been for weeks.
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Good to see Tony taking on the full Rah Rah mantle of "It ain't wrong if it don't poll wrong"

Only problem with that standard?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...SQbIOwxObgfshg

Gitmo wasn't nearly so bad as you kids made it sound I guess.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...re-techniques/

Waterboarding ain't no biggie.

Regardless, it takes polling months or years to catch up with this stuff. Most people absorb it through a slow osmosis from the general tone around them. They're not reading Charlie Cook, or Ramesh Ponnuru.

The more the White House falls back to false denial after false denial, the more the tone changes, and the more the atmosphere changes.

Again... Nixon won 49 states in 1972. Much further out from Watergate than we are with the IRS and J Edgar-ing of the media scandals brewing today.

Obama just claimed to first learn about these scandals over the last week or two, but you're already writing both scandals' obituaries.

It's pretty clear who's engaging in wishful thinking.
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:41 PM   #360
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It's pretty clear who's engaging in wishful thinking.
Yep. You, as your laughable comparison to Watergate proves. Nixon was caught red-handed committing a criminal act - there are literally tapes of him speaking and confirming his crime. No matter how badly right-wing lunatics like yourself are trying to pin this on Obama, the reality is you got nothin', and the public at large is responding with a collective yawn.
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Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the IRS will invoke 5th Amendment

WASHINGTON — A top IRS official in the division that reviews nonprofit groups will invoke the 5th Amendment and refuse to answer questions before a House committee investigating the agency’s improper screening of conservative nonprofit groups.

Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the IRS, won’t answer questions about what she knew about the improper screening — or why she didn’t disclose it to Congress, according to a letter from her defense lawyer, William W. Taylor III. Lerner was scheduled to appear before the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday.

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Destroy the 2nd.
Violate the 1st and 4th.
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Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the IRS will invoke 5th Amendment

WASHINGTON — A top IRS official in the division that reviews nonprofit groups will invoke the 5th Amendment and refuse to answer questions before a House committee investigating the agency’s improper screening of conservative nonprofit groups.

Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the IRS, won’t answer questions about what she knew about the improper screening — or why she didn’t disclose it to Congress, according to a letter from her defense lawyer, William W. Taylor III. Lerner was scheduled to appear before the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday.

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How there can NOT be a special investigation when all we're gonna hear is some broad pleading the 5th is beyond me.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:14 PM   #364
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Yep. You, as your laughable comparison to Watergate proves. Nixon was caught red-handed committing a criminal act - there are literally tapes of him speaking and confirming his crime. No matter how badly right-wing lunatics like yourself are trying to pin this on Obama, the reality is you got nothin', and the public at large is responding with a collective yawn.
IRS officials start pleadin' the Fif.

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Yep. You, as your laughable comparison to Watergate proves. Nixon was caught red-handed committing a criminal act - there are literally tapes of him speaking and confirming his crime. No matter how badly right-wing lunatics like yourself are trying to pin this on Obama, the reality is you got nothin', and the public at large is responding with a collective yawn.
Yup. The comparison is laughably stupid, and no matter how many times it's pointed out he fails (or refuses) to see the difference. What's also funny is that he doesn't grasp that he's doing exactly what those articles are saying the GOP is doing. This flailing about and carrying on isn't helping the party, and may actually be hurting it.
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Good to see Tony taking on the full Rah Rah mantle of "It ain't wrong if it don't poll wrong"
My god, boy, you've gone full on retard about this! Nowhere did I say any such thing as you're attributing to me here. What I'm saying is that nobody cares except the right wingers, and they're not helping themselves with all the ranting and raving and trying to somehow pin this on Obama.

As far as the comparison with Watergate and how long it took to hurt Nixon, those were very different times. Information is disseminated considerably faster and wider now, largely because of this little invention you may have heard of called the internet.
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Yup. The comparison is laughably stupid, and no matter how many times it's pointed out he fails (or refuses) to see the difference. What's also funny is that he doesn't grasp that he's doing exactly what those articles are saying the GOP is doing. This flailing about and carrying on isn't helping the party, and may actually be hurting it.
The thing about it is, everything he said about Nixon wasn't widely believed until years later.

Yeah, he was caught on tape. But he was forced to turn those tapes over? Why? Because of a "Partisan Witch Hunt"

If the President still tries the "internal investigation" angle while his administration's management officials are actively pleading their right to non-self incrimination, you'll know there's a whole bunch of related (or not) stuff he doesn't want coming out. Which is exactly what happened to Nixon. In the end, it had little to do with Watergate.

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As far as the comparison with Watergate and how long it took to hurt Nixon, those were very different times. Information is disseminated considerably faster and wider now, largely because of this little invention you may have heard of called the internet.
You read news on the internet. I read news on the internet. Most soft squishy "undecided" voters in the middle do not. I thought we went over this when the whole "40% of voters don't know Obamacare is real" thing came out.
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I've already stated it on here many times: Medicare for all.

Boy, are you in for ****ing shock....
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So wait, how long had Issa known about this whole thing?
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Again,where is the connection to Obama?

There's not going to be a special investigation.
Lois Lerner is the key. She is pleading is going to refuse to testify. First of all this calls for her to be fired ASAP. Obviously though she is Obamas link in the IRS and she is going to go Ollie North for him. Thats fine we won't get Obama. Everyone knows since Nixon Presidents make sure they are insulated from anything that can get them taken down.

It's obvious and any rational person knows what happened. The IRS was used by liberal forces in the govt to attack conservative groups, hinder their applications, in an attempt to stop them from raising money. Obama either knew, or more likely found out during the election. They stalled it as long as they could so he could get re-elected. Now they will offer up Lerner, she will not testify, and we will never probably know how far it went.

Unless that is we get a really good special investigator and a deal with lerner and other IRS lackeys to tell the truth. We need the threat of prison to get the truth out of these democratic agents Obama got into the IRS.

Hell this could be bigger then watergate. But peace your right Obama probably safe because he's a chicago gangaster. Until you Elliot Ness him you won't catch him.
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Lois Lerner is the key. She is pleading is going to refuse to testify. First of all this calls for her to be fired ASAP. Obviously though she is Obamas link in the IRS and she is going to go Ollie North for him. Thats fine we won't get Obama. Everyone knows since Nixon Presidents make sure they are insulated from anything that can get them taken down.

It's obvious and any rational person knows what happened. The IRS was used by liberal forces in the govt to attack conservative groups, hinder their applications, in an attempt to stop them from raising money. Obama either knew, or more likely found out during the election. They stalled it as long as they could so he could get re-elected. Now they will offer up Lerner, she will not testify, and we will never probably know how far it went.

Unless that is we get a really good special investigator and a deal with lerner and other IRS lackeys to tell the truth. We need the threat of prison to get the truth out of these democratic agents Obama got into the IRS.

Hell this could be bigger then watergate. But peace your right Obama probably safe because he's a chicago gangaster. Until you Elliot Ness him you won't catch him.

you're just as bad as mcghaff.
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Lois Lerner is the key. She is pleading is going to refuse to testify. First of all this calls for her to be fired ASAP. Obviously though she is Obamas link in the IRS and she is going to go Ollie North for him. Thats fine we won't get Obama. Everyone knows since Nixon Presidents make sure they are insulated from anything that can get them taken down.

It's obvious and any rational person knows what happened. The IRS was used by liberal forces in the govt to attack conservative groups, hinder their applications, in an attempt to stop them from raising money. Obama either knew, or more likely found out during the election. They stalled it as long as they could so he could get re-elected. Now they will offer up Lerner, she will not testify, and we will never probably know how far it went.

Unless that is we get a really good special investigator and a deal with lerner and other IRS lackeys to tell the truth. We need the threat of prison to get the truth out of these democratic agents Obama got into the IRS.

Hell this could be bigger then watergate. But peace your right Obama probably safe because he's a chicago gangaster. Until you Elliot Ness him you won't catch him.
What agents? Who are these agents you're referring to?
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Hell this could be bigger then watergate.
Oh for the love of god.
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