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I don't mind T. Carter that much and would like to see what he brings in camp this offseason. I was thinking he regressed as last season wore on but he started the season well. |
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![]() This is the only pick I really don't care for, but then again I'm a cubicle monkey and Elway was damn near executive of the year in the NFL last season.
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![]() Even if he works out, probably could have easily traded down, got an extra pick, and still got this guy.
Oh well. |
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![]() I'm with the smaller group who do not see this guy as a safety. I've been reading what the experts say on this kid for 2 days now and they contradict each other; in some cases even contradict themselves. They can't decide if they don't like the kid because he isn't great in zone, and admit USF had him in zone a lot.
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![]() His speed and aggressiveness at the line scream man to man skills and possible great long term potential. If can can disrupt the route at the LOS he's already won over half the plays.
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I said this before, maybe on another thread, I can't remember, but worth repeating, and that is that Harris was not only a UDFA, he was so obscure that he wasn't even invited to the combine. However, not only does he make the team his rookie year(and no PS!), and not only firmly became a solid #3 CB and backup to Carter(?), but is also now a fan favorite, of sorts. In just two years! Could Webster be a bust or disappointment, sure; but i am going to give this FO the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise. |
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![]() I have watched this kid play, not just read scouting reports, and just like a few others in this draft, I am not sure the kid can come in and understand the NFL game right away. This is another RAW physically talented kid whose tape leaves you totally confused when you watch it. He is a project right now, and I would be scared to put him in coverage in the NFL at this point.
He lacks natural instincts, gives way too much seperation, lacks any real solid technique, and I am not sure if he does anything but play ST's for a few years at best. That is NOT who I want to draft in the late third round. However, he is a Bronco now, so officially add me to the hope this kid gets it , and sooner rather than later bandwagon ![]() |
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Webster, Painter, King and Smith are all guys with excellent measurables but poor technique and limited grasp of the mental side of football. I am not too discouraged, we saw the same thing last year, with Wolfe being the only major rookie contributor. I guess Elway has a preference for drafting development prospects and guys recovering from injury over guys with limited athletic ability or character issues in the late rounds. |
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Smith has a quality skill set, and Painter was a late developer. However, they both are not far away. Webster OTOH, is far away. Painter will be a quality Swing OL who has the tools to be a starter in 2 years for sure. Smith, we need to seee how he recovers from injury. Webster has limited experience in NFL style coverages, raw technique for that, and does not read routes or react to what he sees well in the run game. He can tackle, but he just does not see things quickly in college and in the NFL its much faster. That is why I am concerned with Webster. It's not just how much he must learn in order to play, its that he is already behind. He needs to work in all three mental phases of the game just to be a guy on the field. ST's is his only real outlet right away. Plus, he has real poor ball skills. I know they see SOMETHING in this kid, or there is no way they spend a third on him. This was certainly NOT a flier pick. I just hope this was not a "we will coach him up" pick. That would be a horrible misuse of the resource there IMHO. I just do not see the ceiling on this Kid being a #1 CB worthy of gambling on in the third, because someone else might get him before you later. If he truly was BPA on their board, I am stunned. I just do not see the rationale of taking him in the third. I had him as a UDFA because of his steep learning curve and 2 years to get on the field as a CB. This is a deep CB class, and there were 6 other CB's with much better mentality, technique, and even comparable physical attributes available there in my book. Oh well, he's a Bronco Now! |
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![]() I think they want to use him in a variety of ways. Move him around kinda like the do with Von. Bet this is a JDR pick all the way.
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![]() J/K Med. There was a long running razzing of Bmore on the draft thread where a bunch of us gave you credit for calling several picks much to the frustration of Bmore who claimed to be first. All in good fun.
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Smith is not far away as an athlete, but he needs to be a better hand fighter, right now he is very active but mostly flails pretty aimlessly and he needs to develop a counter move and to use better leverage when bulling. He is great on the outside with his speed and ability to drop his shoulder and turn the corner, he also has a solid rip to go inside, but when he starts outside and tries to counter in he gets stuck on arm blocks. Painter is a late developer, he started 13 games at OT in his career all at RT. He will need to learn some technique although I think 1 red-shirt year would be sufficient for him, he also needs to pick up the language and checks for offensive linemen. I agree on Webster, I was pretty shocked when they picked him because there were other CBs left who seemed much more ready for the pros and much less like longshots. I hope he pans out, I do like his measurables and I guess since he right now projects as a number 6 CB he will have some time to grow. |
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I am obviously very high on the kid, but I really think his football intelligence is off the charts good. I am not sure how well he would play the slot with his frame right now, but I really think in the new Strength and conditioning system he is going to excel and seperate himself since he had the highest % of Body Fat at the combine, and still tore up the routes! Wait till they get him more flexible and stronger in the core. He will be sick! |
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![]() Gyld & Med,
Since both of you seem to agree he is a reach, maybe a huge reach, what would be your best guess on what Fox/JDR see in him that you, and others, don't? I trust them on D so much, I just don't know what they could be thinking on this. Is it possible that they just felt he played in a system not conducive to his skills, and they think his skills translate much better to their system than to the one he was in? |
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![]() Didn't Webster go through three different coaches and their schemes? None of which flattered his man to man skill set that shows on tape?
If you are miscast in a scheme that doesn't flatter your skill set, your obviously going to look far worse than what your capable of.. I'm not sure Webster is a safety, but it's interesting that Elway brought Lynch with him, and we didn't draft a "conventional safety".. |
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If this pick gets Rahim the Dream the boot, I'll be doing my happy dance. |
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