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Old 05-06-2013, 02:33 PM   #226
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Yeah, once you find a good Nickel CB, it's good to keep him there. Been searching for one for a long time.
i'm not big on moving CB's to S unless they can't really catch on at CB.
if he's a good or better CB then leave him at CB.
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If Holiday keeps fumbling the ball on returns....maybe Webster will be given a shot.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:35 PM   #229
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Webster is playing CB..

Again we passed on plenty of safeties who were available in the third..
FS: Phillip Thomas, Baccari Rambo, Josh Evans
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Good point... If we wanted a safety, I think we would have drafted one of those gentlemen in the third (I would have been ecstatic with Wolfe). Webster's going to play corner for us.
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if he's a good or better CB then leave him at CB.
agreed. especially with a guy like Harris who is so good playing on the outside and the slot. much harder to find a guy who can play inside and outside at a high level than it is to find a safety.

I think a decent plan is to go into the year with Bailey and Harris manning the CB positions in 2 CB sets. in nickle sets, Harris moves to the slot w/ Bailey and DRC on the outside. Maybe Webster plays a big nickle role or plays in dime packages--his role will be determined by what he can handle.

Long term, I think an ideal situation would be Harris and Webster on the outside (assuming Webster grows into a starting-caliber CB). That could come as soon as 2014 with a possible request to Champ to take a pay cut next offseason. Of not, then maybe Webster takes DRC's role as stated above. With Bailey and Harris as starters and Webster bumping Harris to the slot in nickle situations. Obviously way too early to tell and a lot hinges on Webster's growth/Bailey's contract situation. There's the whole Champ moving to safety thing that people talk about too, but I don't think that's necessarily an imminent move.
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agreed. especially with a guy like Harris who is so good playing on the outside and the slot. much harder to find a guy who can play inside and outside at a high level than it is to find a safety.

I think a decent plan is to go into the year with Bailey and Harris manning the CB positions in 2 CB sets. in nickle sets, Harris moves to the slot w/ Bailey and DRC on the outside. Maybe Webster plays a big nickle role or plays in dime packages--his role will be determined by what he can handle.

Long term, I think an ideal situation would be Harris and Webster on the outside (assuming Webster grows into a starting-caliber CB). That could come as soon as 2014 with a possible request to Champ to take a pay cut next offseason. Of not, then maybe Webster takes DRC's role as stated above. With Bailey and Harris as starters and Webster bumping Harris to the slot in nickle situations. Obviously way too early to tell and a lot hinges on Webster's growth/Bailey's contract situation. There's the whole Champ moving to safety thing that people talk about too, but I don't think that's necessarily an imminent move.
I think if anybody is going to play big nickel its going to be DRC. He's the tallest DB on the roster, and I think he will be given the assignment to cover the bigger WR or TE.
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agreed. especially with a guy like Harris who is so good playing on the outside and the slot. much harder to find a guy who can play inside and outside at a high level than it is to find a safety.

I think a decent plan is to go into the year with Bailey and Harris manning the CB positions in 2 CB sets. in nickle sets, Harris moves to the slot w/ Bailey and DRC on the outside. Maybe Webster plays a big nickle role or plays in dime packages--his role will be determined by what he can handle.

Long term, I think an ideal situation would be Harris and Webster on the outside (assuming Webster grows into a starting-caliber CB). That could come as soon as 2014 with a possible request to Champ to take a pay cut next offseason. Of not, then maybe Webster takes DRC's role as stated above. With Bailey and Harris as starters and Webster bumping Harris to the slot in nickle situations. Obviously way too early to tell and a lot hinges on Webster's growth/Bailey's contract situation. There's the whole Champ moving to safety thing that people talk about too, but I don't think that's necessarily an imminent move.
i would think the outside corners in the future would be Bolden and Webster with Harris in the slot.
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I think if anybody is going to play big nickel its going to be DRC. He's the tallest DB on the roster, and I think he will be given the assignment to cover the bigger WR or TE.
that would leave someone like Webster or Boldin taking the outside unless Denver leaves Harris out there. And as good as Harris is on the outside (which is very good), I think he's got a pretty good home in the slot in nickle situations. I think Harris is the starter opposite Champ in 2 CB sets and DRC is the outside CB opposite Bailey in the nickle unless someone leapfrogs him.

I think the Denver D is certainly pliable enough to move pieces around in different situations (and that includes moving their d backs around a little bit), but I think this is the gist of what they could do on D.

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i would think the outside corners in the future would be Bolden and Webster with Harris in the slot.
That would be nice if they could do that, and I'm assuming one of them comes in in nickle situations and moves Harris from the corner to the slot. That would mean the Johns and Matt Russell hit big with all 3 of those CBs.

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If Holiday keeps fumbling the ball on returns....maybe Webster will be given a shot.
Apparently Tavarres King is a punt returner.

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i would think the outside corners in the future would be Bolden and Webster with Harris in the slot.
Broncos were targeting Xavier Rhodes in the 1st this year...I bet they target a CB in the 1st next year too.
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Apparently Tavarres King is a punt returner.



Broncos were targeting Xavier Rhodes in the 1st this year...I bet they target a CB in the 1st next year too.
it wouldn't shock me, it's known they want to get bigger CB's.
that said, a good showing by Webster and Bolden probably lessens that need.
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Chris Harris #64 Overall on PFF top 100. He needs to be on the field 100% of the time.

Would be nice if Webster could overtake Nickel CB, so Harris could move to SS. Harris is only 5'9", but I could live with that. He brings a ton of tenacity every single play.
I would rather keep Harris at Nickle and move Webster to Safety.

Harris is one of the best nicklebacks in the NFL.
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We aren't going to be moving Webster.

DRC, Harris and Carter are all FA after this season. They aren't all coming back.
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We aren't going to be moving Webster.

DRC, Harris and Carter are all FA after this season. They aren't all coming back.
And there you have it. You can never have enough CBs in the NFL.
Just an extremelly tough position to play and fill in the pass-happy NFL.
And to think, DEN was targeting Xavier Rhodes like we said all along.
Man, i remember us getting charbroiled many, many months ago for
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And there you have it. You can never have enough CBs in the NFL.
Just an extremelly tough position to play and fill in the pass-happy NFL.
And to think, DEN was targeting Xavier Rhodes like we said all along.
Man, i remember us getting charbroiled many, many months ago for
defending that pick in DEN.
that's because more people want to replace Rahim Moore than want to find Champs eventually replacement when he retires.
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We aren't going to be moving Webster.

DRC, Harris and Carter are all FA after this season. They aren't all coming back.
Really? DRC has a two year deal but the Broncos can opt to if they want to after one. Harris is one of the most important player in the secondary, even more than Champ because he is very young. Carter will not command much in FA and if Denver wants him they be able to re-sign him.

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And there you have it. You can never have enough CBs in the NFL.
Just an extremelly tough position to play and fill in the pass-happy NFL.
And to think, DEN was targeting Xavier Rhodes like we said all along.
Man, i remember us getting charbroiled many, many months ago for
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Exactly. I don't know why posters fought you and I (and others) tooth and nail on it. The writing couldn't have been more clear. CB/DB was going to be an obvious draft need for the team. I mean honestly, this is all people had to consider:
  • Preponderance of interviews and visits with scouts at Indianapolis, Mobile and E/W Shrine Game in regards to defensive backs.
  • John Lynch was personally brought along to Indianapolis to help us evaluate defensive backs.
  • Performance of defensive backfield, in particular corners in the Divisional Loss to Baltimore.
  • Status of our current CB roster: Champ's age, 3 players as RFA/UFA's going into next season, longevity in a pass happy league, also that we only had five active corners. What would we do this year if one of our top guys go down? Neither Bolden or Carter immediately project as starters (if ever) and while Harris is fine as a #2, obviously with the investment of DRC -- the team wants him to be inside as our nickel corner.

It was crystal clear to me. Considering Rhodes prowess in man/press-man, he was an obvious fit for the team. Very unfortunate the Vikings were able to get him and Floyd. I would have much rather seen Denver move up and get Rhodes than drafting Webster in the third.

Rahim gets this year to prove whether or not he can play in the NFL. If he can't, there will be other options. There is a premium in the NFL on cover corners and considering this was a pretty weak class (I was underwhelmed outside Cyprien, Swearinger and a few others) -- I can understand why we passed on that.

Champ isn't going to be here for five more years, and the odds that anyone else we currently have (outside Harris or DRC if they prove it) are probably low. Outside getting another RB, it was the most easy selection to predict for the Broncos.
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Really? DRC has a two year deal but the Broncos can opt to if they want to after one. Harris is one of the most important player in the secondary, even more than Champ because he is very young. Carter will not command much in FA and if Denver wants him they be able to re-sign him.

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Um, yeah.

DRC's deal is voidable after this year. If he doesn't perform, he won't be back.

I think both Harris and Carter are RFA's -- I expect Harris to get a quality tender and believe Carter will be the odd man out considering Webster will be cheaper than him in the long-run and Bolden was drafted in the fourth last year and has two more years on his contract after this season. I hope that DRC performs and we can keep him because it helps us out in the long-term. He knows what the has to improve upon.

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Bailey (Old Age)
DRC (Proven)
Harris (Nickel)
Bolden
Webster

That still means we need to get somebody else, and if DRC does not do well, he is obviously going to get his second year (team option) voided and not return, which makes CB an even pressing need. I don't see why people continue to argue in circles about it. Getting a guy like Webster doesn't negate us having to get a #1 quality guy for the future. NOBODY on our team is a future #1, not even DRC. Hence their gushing and subsequent pursuit of Xavier Rhodes.
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Exactly. I don't know why posters fought you and I (and others) tooth and nail on it. The writing couldn't have been more clear. CB/DB was going to be an obvious draft need for the team. I mean honestly, this is all people had to consider:
  • Preponderance of interviews and visits with scouts at Indianapolis, Mobile and E/W Shrine Game in regards to defensive backs.
  • John Lynch was personally brought along to Indianapolis to help us evaluate defensive backs.
  • Performance of defensive backfield, in particular corners in the Divisional Loss to Baltimore.
  • Status of our current CB roster: Champ's age, 3 players as RFA/UFA's going into next season, longevity in a pass happy league, also that we only had five active corners. What would we do this year if one of our top guys go down? Neither Bolden or Carter immediately project as starters (if ever) and while Harris is fine as a #2, obviously with the investment of DRC -- the team wants him to be inside as our nickel corner.

It was crystal clear to me. Considering Rhodes prowess in man/press-man, he was an obvious fit for the team. Very unfortunate the Vikings were able to get him and Floyd. I would have much rather seen Denver move up and get Rhodes than drafting Webster in the third.

Rahim gets this year to prove whether or not he can play in the NFL. If he can't, there will be other options. There is a premium in the NFL on cover corners and considering this was a pretty weak class (I was underwhelmed outside Cyprien, Swearinger and a few others) -- I can understand why we passed on that.

Champ isn't going to be here for five more years, and the odds that anyone else we currently have (outside Harris or DRC if they prove it) are probably low. Outside getting another RB, it was the most easy selection to predict for the Broncos.
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All i can say is I told so many how much of a stud Rhodes is/was going to be and that we wanted him. Im still super pissed at the vikes for taking him from me.


Next, I do believe that DRC is going to BALL THE F OUT here for us! He will be back and everyone will be glad for it. I have a very good feeling about him. We need to do two very important things this offseason

1. Re-sign Del Rio as DC. This must be done!
2. Get DRC in a LTC
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I would rather keep Harris at Nickle and move Webster to Safety.

Harris is one of the best nicklebacks in the NFL.
based on his play last year he's becoming one of the best CBs in the league--not just nickle corners.
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DRC was the main CB i wanted in FA. i don't think he was used well in Philly.
but then again none of their DB's were.

i think JDR will get the max out of him and he'll return to pro bowl form.
the real question is, does he price himself out of Denver?
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2014 is going to be a big deal for us in terms of our UFA/RFAs.

Defense:
Chris Harris
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Moore has already proved he can play in the NFL. One bad play doesn't ruin your career. he's going to surprise a lot of you this yr and become a fan favorite! There i am on the record. He mistimed a ball the dline should have never let sail like that. Whole defense **** the bed on that play IMO. Also the coaches blew it by not going for the throat when they had the chance. Next time Fox you go down swinging not playing it safe. You can't play it safe you have to play fast and loose and never get scared. Its just a game FOX! when its 3rd-1 with game on the line dont be afriad to send DT deep! You have to be willing to lose in order to win. Once you play it safe IMO you already are doomed to lose.
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2014 is going to be a big deal for us in terms of our UFA/RFAs.

Defense:
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Tony Carter
Jeremy Beal
Robert Ayers
Mike Adams
DRC
Shaun Phillips

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Colquitt

Offense:
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Decker
Yeah, that's a bunch. Maybe one of the main reasons they let Kidd go and brought in Heckert. Heckert has much more experience with contracts I think, more experience on the evaluation side also.

As for Kayvon, maybe they'll try to fit him in as a backup safety/dime guy just to get him some PT as a rookie? I thought Bolden was being groomed as the #2 outside corner of the future. If Bolden or even Kayvon kick ass I suppose one could win the start over DRC, but really the staff is probably looking at them as backups for now, possible starters outside in 2014/2015.

Hopefully both do well, it gives the club a lot of options to stay competitive with the salary cap projected to stay flat for a couple years - and all those above mentioned vets looking to cash in on their second contracts. Damn Decker should definitely take a hometown discount with all the promotional money he gets, dude probably has about 60 or more radio commercials every single day, plus some TV ads also.
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DRC was the main CB i wanted in FA. i don't think he was used well in Philly.
but then again none of their DB's were.

i think JDR will get the max out of him and he'll return to pro bowl form.
the real question is, does he price himself out of Denver?
It did seem that DRC was a good FA pickup, maybe Chris Harris didn't like it so much, since it meant he'll be looking at a "demotion" of sorts. But, Harris will get a payday on his second contract either way since the value of slot CB's has gone up and he's proven he can also play outside.

Yeah, if DRC plays great after the 2014 season he'll probably get a payday, but he's already getting $4 million this year isn't he?
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