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Old 03-25-2013, 07:45 AM   #251
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God this situation makes me bitter, oh well.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:48 AM   #252
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If a guy would've come on the OM a year ago and told everyone we'd be outright cutting Doom next offseason, he would've been laughed off the board.

Now here we are, talking about using a 1st on his replacement instead of an MLB or RB.

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Old 03-25-2013, 08:56 AM   #253
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I'd be cool with that.

I'm also getting pretty big on Menelik. How do you feel about him after watching FSU so closely?
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:09 AM   #254
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I'd be cool with that.

I'm also getting pretty big on Menelik. How do you feel about him after watching FSU so closely?
I have no doubts that someone is going to get enamored with Watson's physical presence and athleticism, but he still has a long ways to go mentally before he is even prepared to man it down in the NFL. His 3 cone at Indy was just downright awful and I really think it is because he had no idea how to do the drill. That is probably why most of his times sucked at Indy. But he is more athletic than those #'s advertise.

Positives: Protypical frame, athletic, nasty run blocker with a great drive off the ball, good footwork and does a nice job in pass protection for being a RT.

Negatives: Inexperienced, got dinged up, questionable second level skills, needs to use his hands better and attack defenders instead of using his wide base and feet to shield off rushes. Mentality/instincts -- sometimes this guy just aborts on the field. He might play 50 offensive snaps awesome, but he'll come up with one or two snaps that just make you go WTF!?

FWIW: just rewatch the Bowl game this year. Sometimes he just misses his assignments, and when getting to the next level in the run game, he looks lost and doesn't know who to take on getting upfield. (Basically trouble in open space.) He is a former basketball player and so young in football experience, that he just doesn't have the instincts to be successful or a high caliber player right off the bat.

He can probably be plugged in and start right away at RT, but needs to have more experience before he is ever shifted over to the left side of the line. (Interesting fact: Kyle Long played LT at his community college.) He is going to have a lot of growing pains. Best case scenario he could end up like Tyron Smith of the Cowboys, worse case scenario he could **** out of the NFL like Bruce Campbell.

A team drafting him in the Top 40 is taking a huge risk. He needs a year of development at the NFL level before he even sees the field, IMHO. I usually am not as critical on Noles as I am with him, but he is BOOM or BUST. I don't think there is a middle ground with him.

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Old 03-25-2013, 09:56 AM   #255
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It does suck, and it does leave a hole on the team. But I try to put it in context with everything else:

Knighton>Bannan
DRC>Porter (who was barely active)
Vazquez>Ramirez/injured Kuper
Welker>Stokley
Doom>Ayers/Freeney(?)/Jackson


Overall, I'd say that's a net gain for the roster, at least on paper. And we still have the draft ahead to further enhance the roster. So, yes, this is a blow, but I think we'll be just fine as long as #18 is healthy.
That's the bottom line BI, you're not going to win every position in FA negotiations or the draft.. And the FO has done a solid 'A-' job at the worse even with the loss of Doom. The FO was clearly sure they can compensate, overall, in the event Doom walked before they ever approached him about taking a cut. It is a pinch we have to take extra steps now to replace Doom, but they have significantly improved the team versus last year even with Dooms loss (and assuming we bring in a decent vet Pass rusher to pair with our remaing DEs and a likely draft pick) ... We will be more than fine the way they are going.

Pick up a a solid RB to pair with an improved Hillman. A safety, MLB and DE/DT and we are good to go and still have a few more FA moves as well as the draft to fill those few remaining holes...

I'd much rather be on the Doomless Broncos than on the Doom+ Ravens minus all their gutted FAs and retires this year, that's a no brained for sure.

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Old 03-25-2013, 09:59 AM   #256
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Losing Doom hurts, but I feel the team (at some point in time) was going to draft a DE moving forward anyways. I'm high on Jackson and think Ayers can be good in a rotation, but he is in the last year of his deal and Jeremy Beal was on the practice squad for a few years for a reason. This just so happens to be a year with a ton of DL talent. Hope the FO makes the right moves.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:06 AM   #257
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Good call! You're right, this is actually a decent possibility. And I'd take him in a heartbeat over Abraham or Freeney. He was a stud up until this past season when he really underperformed for some reason along with most of that team.
I would consider trading for him. His base is only 3.5 million this year and 5 the next.

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Old 03-25-2013, 10:07 AM   #258
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I'd like to take your knowledge serious but I just can't get over the Crick is a first round pick from last year.
Crick fell off my board 3 months before the draft. I pushed hard for Derek Wolfe with the Broncos 1st pick for a couple months, but you never mention that.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:12 AM   #259
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Crick fell off my board 3 months before the draft. I pushed hard for Derek Wolfe with the Broncos 1st pick for a couple months, but you never mention that.
I'd call BS and pull up the thread except it is gone. You were pushing for Crick right to at least a month before.
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I'd call BS and pull up the thread except it is gone. You were pushing for Crick right to at least a month before.
We will never know the truth. . .
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I'd call BS and pull up the thread except it is gone. You were pushing for Crick right to at least a month before.
I'm pretty positive he was pimping Chandler Jones then deleted that thread as well.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:23 AM   #262
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I see people talking about Tank Carradine from FSU but FSU has another DE, Brandon Jenkins (also with an injury concern) that's draft eligible. After watching some tape of both players Moore interests me more than Carradine. I like Carradine, but I think Jenkins is a better fit for RDE and even though he's smaller than Carradine he seemed to hold up fairly well against the run and had more quickness and generated a consistent pass rush. I don't know about how serious his injury was (Lisfranc foot fracture) and how much he has recovered, which obviously could greatly impact his draft value but I really like how he looked.
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^ Brandon Jenkins just ran a 5 something 40.
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Jenkins played one game this year and was done. He isn't in football shape and by the sounds of it has not regained the explosiveness he once had prior to the injury. I think he can be a very productive pro, but someone you wait around for a couple of rounds and see if he is there. They are both very good players when healthy and they both would be excellent fits for this defense @ RDE.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:41 AM   #265
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I will be doing my incantations and sacrifices to ensure that we don't waste a draft pick on a pass rusher this year - the class next year looks so much more enticing.
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I will be doing my incantations and sacrifices to ensure that we don't waste a draft pick on a pass rusher this year - the class next year looks so much more enticing.
Clowney, Tuitt, Murphy, Crichton, Lynch. . . oh yeah. Next year is loaded and those are just guys off the top of my head who are gonna be first-rounders.

A.J. Johnson at ILB. Could he be our next Al Wilson!?
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http://www.milehighreport.com/2013/1...oduction-ratio

I still would like us to go MLB in the first, CB in the second, RB in the third, then DE in the 4th. Devin Taylor, Michael Buchanan, or David Bass would be targets I would like.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:11 AM   #268
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I'd call BS and pull up the thread except it is gone. You were pushing for Crick right to at least a month before.
No I wasn't. He was slow, and dropped weight at the combine. His arm-length was 32". The combine dropped Crick off my board completely. I made it known at the time, but you kept bringing it up (and still do).

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I'm pretty positive he was pimping Chandler Jones then deleted that thread as well.

I never liked Chandler Jones, still don't, but I did mention Andre Branch once.


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Sure you know the truth. I erased the Crick thread at least 2 months before the draft, because morons wouldn't leave me alone. All my posts about Derek Wolfe before the draft are still there. That can't be disputed.

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Clowney, Tuitt, Murphy, Crichton, Lynch. . . oh yeah. Next year is loaded and those are just guys off the top of my head who are gonna be first-rounders.

A.J. Johnson at ILB. Could he be our next Al Wilson!?
I agree, I think 2013 could rival 2011 when it comes to pass rushers, at least if some of the top juniors come out.
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If a guy would've come on the OM a year ago and told everyone we'd be outright cutting Doom next offseason, he would've been laughed off the board.

Now here we are, talking about using a 1st on his replacement instead of an MLB or RB.

****.
if a guy had come on the board 2 years ago and said Manning would be Denver's QB in a year he would have been laughed off the board too. these things move fast
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1. Damontre Moore - I would take him in a heartbeat at #28. Has all the moves, elite production, and size. Needs to be motivated off the field...his only shortcoming.

2. Alex Okafor - only lined up on the strongside at Texas. He's big, strong and fast, but doesn't have a lot of pass-rush moves. Other than that, I like his production. Not sure how he would perform at RDE.

3. Cornelius Carradine - Looks decent at RDE, but doesn't have a lot of moves. 24 year old, coming off an ACL, causes me to question his NFL impact.

4. Sam Montgomery - slower and smaller than advertised. Character concerns, although he had good production at LSU. Demonstrates good speed, and good moves. Tough call, probably a 2nd rounder.
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Not near the Draft buff most of you are... that said... I would love a D.E in first... Lots of people are pushing for a corner in the first... this question is for those of you that are in that category. What is wrong with taking a D.E in first and Taylor (BSU... Yes... I’m biased) in the second? He is a big physical corner that can run and plays very good run support. What say you?


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Maybe Elvis Dumervil's pride got in the way. Maybe it was as simple as the Denver Broncos failing to make a deal that matched what the Baltimore Ravens gave the Pro Bowl defensive end over the weekend.

There's even the possibility that Dumervil felt he'd finally had enough. Whatever the case surrounding Dumervil's recent decision to sign with Baltimore, this much is true: He just lost his best chance at playing in the Super Bowl next season.
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Not near the Draft buff most of you are... that said... I would love a D.E in first... Lots of people are pushing for a corner in the first... this question is for those of you that are in that category. What is wrong with taking a D.E in first and Taylor (BSU... Yes... I’m biased) in the second? He is a big physical corner that can run and plays very good run support. What say you?


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Nothing wrong with that scenario at all. Taylor could be there for us in the second, but I think he is a Top 50 guy when it is all said and done.
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