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Old 10-30-2014, 05:45 AM   #1
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Last year Bilichick put Talib on Jimmy Graham all game long and he shut him out with ZERO catches.

Denver is plenty deep in the secondary to have Roby, Harris, Webster, Bolden and Carter to cover the Pats WRs while Talib could follow Gronk around.

Has anyone heard if Denver might do that this game?

Denver has had hell with NE TEs in the past.
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Old 10-30-2014, 06:20 AM   #2
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Put Ward on him. Let Gronk catch one pass and then...



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Old 10-30-2014, 06:55 AM   #3
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Put Ward on him. Let Gronk catch one pass and then...



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Wow,
I remember actually watching that play as I was flipping channels, but I didn't remember that Ward laid the hit.
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:01 AM   #4
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If we don't need to double Gronk it's advantage Denver's D.

Gronk might get his catches but Brady better be spot on or Talib will get a pick or deflection that results in a pick.

I'd say yes. I know Bailey a while back separated his shoulder covering Gates in the End Zone so you have a small injury concern but then again its pro football and Talib is a physical CB
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I'd put Harris on him actually.
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:37 AM   #6
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I'd put Harris on him actually.
I kind of want Harris on Brandon LaFell. Brady is starting to develop chemistry with him and I want Harris to nip that in the bud.
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Gronk will rag doll Talib. No way.
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classy.

note: this is actually a response to post #122 here. i'm not about to stoop to the level of registering over there so my response goes here.

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Gronk will rag doll Talib. No way.
We don't need Talib to tackle Gronk. We should generally have T.J. Ward over the top to handle that. What we need is a guy who can both run with Gronk, and get inside leverage on him to take away passes across the middle of the field. No one is stopping Gronk if Brady is dropping in pinpoint dimes over the shoulder. But a guy like Talib should be able to take away all the easy completions.
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Your suggestion was better.
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We don't need Talib to tackle Gronk. We should generally have T.J. Ward over the top to handle that. What we need is a guy who can both run with Gronk, and get inside leverage on him to take away passes across the middle of the field. No one is stopping Gronk if Brady is dropping in pinpoint dimes over the shoulder. But a guy like Talib should be able to take away all the easy completions.

If Talib's playing man/press, it'll take about 1 second for Gronk to toss him aside, turn and catch, and then rumble. Talib will have no leverage whatsoever on Gronk, IMO.
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My suggestion: Sign Sam Brandon to a 1 day deal.
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Put Ward on him. Let Gronk catch one pass and then...



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classy.

note: this is actually a response to post #122 here. i'm not about to stoop to the level of registering over there so my response goes here.
Meh, every board has its *****. In their defense, I haven't seen one poster agree with the guy. Most want the Tight Ends to chip them, while another guy just wants the OTs to focus on giving controlled ground forcing them to take deep routes behind Brady while having the interior control Knighton enough for Brady to step up in the pocket. (Don't think that strategy is going to work too well for you guys) One guy is still pissed about the pick play that took our Talib during the AFCCG and would like Amendola to give us a taste of our own medicine (seriously dude, Amendola struggles to stay healthy as it is, send him on picks are your own peril) Most are still just pissed over Ward taking out Gronk, and considering the way some of our own posters are celebrating that injury, I wouldn't complain too much about the Patriot's fans lack of class.
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If Talib's playing man/press, it'll take about 1 second for Gronk to toss him aside, turn and catch, and then rumble. Talib will have no leverage whatsoever on Gronk, IMO.

Well, if you are assuming that the refs are going to turn a blind eye to blatant offensive pass interference, then yeah, we are going to have issues no matter who we put on Gronk.

But yeah, Gronk isn't going to get jammed at the line by anyone in this league in press coverage. But, provided the refs are going to at least play lip service to the rules, Talib should be able to stay on him enough to take away easy passes on inside routes. Remember, he doesn't have to physically match up with Gronk to disrupt a route. With the right technique he can slow him down a step, or make Gronk redirect his route once the get past 5 yards.
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Meh, every board has its *****. In their defense, I haven't seen one poster agree with the guy. Most want the Tight Ends to chip them, while another guy just wants the OTs to focus on giving controlled ground forcing them to take deep routes behind Brady while having the interior control Knighton enough for Brady to step up in the pocket. (Don't think that strategy is going to work too well for you guys) One guy is still pissed about the pick play that took our Talib during the AFCCG and would like Amendola to give us a taste of our own medicine (seriously dude, Amendola struggles to stay healthy as it is, send him on picks are your own peril) Most are still just pissed over Ward taking out Gronk, and considering the way some of our own posters are celebrating that injury, I wouldn't complain too much about the Patriot's fans lack of class.
come on man, they are openly cheering for injuries. I'm not all that upset really, it's just a matter of pointing out moral equivalences. someone here posts a .gif of Ward going low on Gronk, they post things like, "Should we just chop block Miller and Ware all game? Like, you know...until there knees are obliterated?", or "Take them both out. Do it for the rest of the season, even better. " or "I want to see ... Welker leave with a concussion."
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I really thought NE's OL trouble would give us a huge advantage this year, but it looked like they were pretty solid against the Bears last week.

So is the Pats line really starting to gel, or is the Bears DL that big a disappointment?
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Yeah I say double him up with Talib and Ward. Pats got noting else.

I'm sure there will be a mix if man and zone though.
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Harris too small for the Gronk ...

Put Marshall or Irving right on the los, hit him once hard - right on the line - then release him to Talib.

Knock him sideways just a bit, long enough to give VonDeMarc a head start .....
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Are they really still crying about Welker/Talib?
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They are still crying about chop blocks.
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Are they really still crying about Welker/Talib?


They are some of the whiniest fans ever. They still think they are Super Bowl champs and seem to think they handily beat us twice last year. Very delusional.

Just ask them about Brady, manning, elway, and see how they rank them. Three weeks ago all of them were crying and saying to start jimmy g.....now it's once again, pats are the bestest. Has their defense even faced a good team or qb yet?
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Well, if you are assuming that the refs are going to turn a blind eye to blatant offensive pass interference, then yeah, we are going to have issues no matter who we put on Gronk.

But yeah, Gronk isn't going to get jammed at the line by anyone in this league in press coverage. But, provided the refs are going to at least play lip service to the rules, Talib should be able to stay on him enough to take away easy passes on inside routes. Remember, he doesn't have to physically match up with Gronk to disrupt a route. With the right technique he can slow him down a step, or make Gronk redirect his route once the get past 5 yards.
You're right and wrong at the same time IMO. He can be jammed at the LOS by good big LB with some quicks. Just enough to slow him a step, then release him to a good big corner with speed who can play off man coverage the way champ used to! Other than that I don't see any way to do more than slow him up a little. The best way to nullify him is Von and Ware to get to Brady in a hurry and knock him around or force him to move. Otherwise they'll get their
pitch and catch game going. Need to GRONK Brady!
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