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Old 03-22-2013, 11:06 AM   #501
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Kraft is a drunk moron. He didn't offer more.
This. NE is cheap. Pay less than market value for ALL players, it's the 'Patriot Way'.

I think more arrows are pointing towards the Broncos in the Dumervil saga, so I'm happy with that. Baby steps.

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Old 03-22-2013, 11:09 AM   #502
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No offense, but as a franchise you can't hold a guy until the last possible second of free agent season before cutting him, and then suddenly start whining about turnaround times. They diminished his value on the open market by holding onto him well into free agency. Probably intentionally because it gave them more leverage in negotiations. Turnabout is fair play.
Doom is a free agent, he could have cut off any deal much earlier. The fact he wanted to negotiate and stay in Denver shows he wasn't going to get sick money on the open market. Denver offered him a very fair deal and cannot be held tighter because of Broncos circa 2009 (thanks a lot McDaniels and crew). Elway and Co. have been fixing those ills for sometime. Dooms agent ****ed up, plain and simple. Don't forget Doom waiting 20 minutes on his decision too before agreeing to the Broncos new deal for him.
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Doom is a free agent, he could have cut off any deal much earlier. The fact he wanted to negotiate and stay in Denver shows he wasn't going to get sick money on the open market. Denver offered him a very fair deal and cannot be held tighter because of Broncos circa 2009 (thanks a lot McDaniels and crew). Elway and Co. have been fixing those ills for sometime. Dooms agent ****ed up, plain and simple. Don't forget Doom waiting 20 minutes on his decision too before agreeing to the Broncos new deal for him.
No, we held him hostage in a sense. First, the FO went all public with Doom needing to take a paycut instead of approaching him first. Second, they released him until the last minute, once the market had already been set. Had Doom been on the market at the same time that Kruger and Avril, he most than likely would have set the market.

Yup, his agent screwed the pooch, but our FO was no Saint in this. They started negotiating with him 1 week before the start of FA. If you wait to to anything until the last moment, there are bound to be problems and inconveniences.

look at this link and listen very carefully with what our ex GM has to say.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap...rvil-a-mistake

Whiles the agent takes most of the blame, the truth is that the lack of communication on behalf of all parties involved made this the mess that is today.

Doom lost 33% of his deal when he agreed to restructure. After the snafu, he lost about 50% or more. He has all the right in the world to look out for him and his family.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:40 AM   #504
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No, we held him hostage in a sense. First, the FO went all public with Doom needing to take a paycut instead of approaching him first. Second, they released him until the last minute, once the market had already been set. Had Doom been on the market at the same time that Kruger and Avril, he most than likely would have set the market.

Yup, his agent screwed the pooch, but our FO was no Saint in this. They started negotiating with him 1 week before the start of FA. If you wait to to anything until the last moment, there are bound to be problems and inconveniences.

look at this link and listen very carefully with what our ex GM has to say.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap...rvil-a-mistake

Whiles the agent takes most of the blame, the truth is that the lack of communication on behalf of all parties involved made this the mess that is today.

Doom lost 33% of his deal when he agreed to restructure. After the snafu, he lost about 50% or more. He has all the right in the world to look out for him and his family.

Then let's see him make the choice now and go. This has dragged on longer than the 100 Years War. If he doesn't bleed orange and blue then we don't need him. I want him, but this is beyond ridiculous. I feel now even if he does sign with us we're not gonna get maximum effort.
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I just want this whole mess over with one way or the other at this point. I don't even care if Dumervil stays or not.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:57 AM   #506
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I feel like we're gonna be waiting for his decision until the next century. It's as old as Burgess Meredith at this point, let's hope it doesn't take as long as a California Redwood's life.
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Then let's see him make the choice now and go. This has dragged on longer than the 100 Years War. If he doesn't bleed orange and blue then we don't need him. I want him, but this is beyond ridiculous. I feel now even if he does sign with us we're not gonna get maximum effort.
Oh shut up already...
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No, we held him hostage in a sense. First, the FO went all public with Doom needing to take a paycut instead of approaching him first. Second, they released him until the last minute, once the market had already been set. Had Doom been on the market at the same time that Kruger and Avril, he most than likely would have set the market.

Yup, his agent screwed the pooch, but our FO was no Saint in this. They started negotiating with him 1 week before the start of FA. If you wait to to anything until the last moment, there are bound to be problems and inconveniences.

look at this link and listen very carefully with what our ex GM has to say.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap...rvil-a-mistake

Whiles the agent takes most of the blame, the truth is that the lack of communication on behalf of all parties involved made this the mess that is today.

Doom lost 33% of his deal when he agreed to restructure. After the snafu, he lost about 50% or more. He has all the right in the world to look out for him and his family.
Neither Sunquist (who has an axe to grind btw) nor us knows when Elway contacted the idiot ex-agent before saying anything publically about the contract "being out of whack." Rather, Sunquist is making assumptions.

All we know is that sometime prior to March 7, Den contacted the idiot ex-agent that the pay was going to be cut, and the agent said "restructure not cut."

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/s...c&tm=7&src=NFL

Moreover, it wouldn't be exactly proper to contact a player directly before going through an agent. Further, free agent negotiations were only allowed beginning March 9.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...t-negotiations

So, all we know is that sometime prior to agents even being allowed to negotiate deals, Elway told the idoit ex-agent that Doom was looking at a 33% pay cut. I don't think anyone but the agent has said the not guaranteeing 2013 was a last minute thing.
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How could you feel different? He's clearly showing he's no longer super-excited to be a Bronco.
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How could you feel different? He's clearly showing he's no longer super-excited to be a Bronco.
So... players that play for Den supposedly have to take less money just because they are Broncos? Sure tell PM that, tell that to Von when his time comes up. An NFL career is to short and filled with hazards. Players have to get what the can when they can. The NFLPA encourages that, and if it where you, you would probably try and see whats out there after your contract got cut in half. It's a game for us, but to them is more than that, it's their livelihood.
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How could you feel different? He's clearly showing he's no longer super-excited to be a Bronco.
Would you stay at 7 & 11 if Jiffy Mart offered 20% more money?

If not where is your loyalty scum bag.
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So... players that play for Den supposedly have to take less money just because they are Broncos? Sure tell PM that, tell that to Von when his time comes up. An NFL career is to short and filled with hazards. Players have to get what the can when they can. The NFLPA encourages that, and if it where you, you would probably try and see whats out there after your contract got cut in half. It's a game for us, but to them is more than that, it's their livelihood.
True. And I'll make an assumption based on the fact that Doom is not happy with Den's offer because it is "front loaded." It's an offer of base salary, with minimum bonus or guaranted money past this year. I haven't heard much about the Buzzards' offer, but it may be Condon is trying to shop that offer to get more out of Elway.

It's front loaded because it appears the market for veteran pass rush specialists is falling.
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So... players that play for Den supposedly have to take less money just because they are Broncos? Sure tell PM that, tell that to Von when his time comes up. An NFL career is to short and filled with hazards. Players have to get what the can when they can. The NFLPA encourages that, and if it where you, you would probably try and see whats out there after your contract got cut in half. It's a game for us, but to them is more than that, it's their livelihood.
He had the best offer he was gonna get league-wide last week, and it wasn't good enough for him. Now he has another offer that is again better than the only other team's offer and he's still mulling

Something's rotten in Denmark.

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Old 03-22-2013, 12:26 PM   #514
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The NFL is greedy....all the way around. The players all know that there is a risk but many play for under a mil a year. Not one person in this entire world really needs multi millions to live each year or to take out a hefty insurance policy in case they get hurt. It's all ridiculous. But the fan has made it what it is by paying ridiculous prices for seating and jerseys....etc.
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Neither Sunquist (who has an axe to grind btw) nor us knows when Elway contacted the idiot ex-agent before saying anything publically about the contract "being out of whack." Rather, Sunquist is making assumptions.

All we know is that sometime prior to March 7, Den contacted the idiot ex-agent that the pay was going to be cut, and the agent said "restructure not cut."

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/s...c&tm=7&src=NFL

Moreover, it wouldn't be exactly proper to contact a player directly before going through an agent. Further, free agent negotiations were only allowed beginning March 9.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...t-negotiations

So, all we know is that sometime prior to agents even being allowed to negotiate deals, Elway told the idoit ex-agent that Doom was looking at a 33% pay cut. I don't think anyone but the agent has said the not guaranteeing 2013 was a last minute thing.
You referenced a bleacher report, hence fail. other than that, sure you are right. But him saying Dooms contract is out of whack, was not the the first time he called Doom out before contacting him or his agent.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ake-a-pay-cut/

look at that date. It was publicly allowed to be know that our FO expected a cut before even contacting the player an agent first.

A day after publicly going to the media, his ex agent fires back.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...esnt-balk-yet/

All of this like 3 days before agents can talk FA players. Which in this case Doom wasn't. He couldn't be contacted by other teams, if he where it would be a case for tampering.
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Would you stay at 7 & 11 if Jiffy Mart offered 20% more money?

If not where is your loyalty scum bag.
If 7-11 had buttered my bread for millions and millions and was in position to dominate the game for next 2 years I would surely stay at 7-11 and tell jiffy mart to GTFO.
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How could you feel different? He's clearly showing he's no longer super-excited to be a Bronco.
Give the man some time. He's examining all options, and figuring out whats best for him and his family.

It's pretty clear that he's going to get about the same amount of money no matter where he goes to play. Maybe he just wants to go back to Miami, so he can spend time with his family. I wouldn't blame him.
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Give the man some time. He's examining all options, and figuring out whats best for him and his family.

It's pretty clear that he's going to get about the same amount of money no matter where he goes to play. Maybe he just wants to go back to Miami, so he can spend time with his family. I wouldn't blame him.
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He had the best offer he was gonna get league-wide last week, and it wasn't good enough for him. Now he has another offer that is again better than the only other team's offer and he's still mulling

Something's written in Denmark.
It's "something stinks in the state of Denmark" and I think Doom is in no hurry to make a decision at this time. He's probably listening to his agent. The Broncos want him but only at a certain price. If he can get more elsewhere I assume he will. This may not get hashed out for a while yet.
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He had the best offer he was gonna get league-wide last week, and it wasn't good enough for him. Now he has another offer that is again better than the only other team's offer and he's still mulling

Something's written in Denmark.
Haven't you heard, not only us and the Ravens are involved. Sure had The Fax not happened he would have taken the offer, but after that snafu he is only getting half of his original salary and not the 33% deduction that he had agreed upon. Going down from 12 to 8 he could deal with, going down from 12 to 6 is another thing. We had him on the cheap for 4 years, he was a 4th round that deserved everything he got when he signed his contract that payed him an average of 10+ per year. Was it his fault that McDouche back loaded so he could bring in his homies? No!

He just wants to get paid what he thinks he is worth. If that means looking what other teams are willing to offer, that's not his fault. He understands we are cap strapped, he is 1 year away from turning 30. He has to get his money now. He has al the right to test the FA market. WE, the BRONCOS made him do it. It's his first time as a FA. If you can't understand that then sorry, I got no time to draw it and color it for you.
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It's "something stinks in the state of Denmark" and I think Doom is in no hurry to make a decision at this time. He's probably listening to his agent. The Broncos want him but only at a certain price. If he can get more elsewhere I assume he will. This may not get hashed out for a while yet.
Exact history of the phrase precluded. Either way this has dragged on too long. When you're trying to hire an employee and they can't make up their mind on the offer for over a week, it never ends well.
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If he's not all in for Orange and Blue then goodbye.
Probably Dolphins. That's just where he likes to be. Easy-going Elvis.
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Give the man some time. He's examining all options, and figuring out whats best for him and his family.

It's pretty clear that he's going to get about the same amount of money no matter where he goes to play. Maybe he just wants to go back to Miami, so he can spend time with his family. I wouldn't blame him.
exactly! There is no wrong in him seeing whats out there. The only that feel butt hurt by this is us the fans (well, at least the ones that can't understand that firstly it's a business.)
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Haven't you heard, not only us and the Ravens are involved. Sure had The Fax not happened he would have taken the offer, but after that snafu he is only getting half of his original salary and not the 33% deduction that he had agreed upon. Going down from 12 to 8 he could deal with, going down from 12 to 6 is another thing. We had him on the cheap for 4 years, he was a 4th round that deserved everything he got when he signed his contract that payed him an average of 10+ per year. Was it his fault that McDouche back loaded so he could bring in his homies? No!

He just wants to get paid what he thinks he is worth. If that means looking what other teams are willing to offer, that's not his fault. He understands we are cap strapped, he is 1 year away from turning 30. He has to get his money now. He has al the right to test the FA market. WE, the BRONCOS made him do it. It's his first time as a FA. If you can't understand that then sorry, I got no time to draw it and color it for you.

Yes I clearly have missed all the other offers for $7 or $8 million. Where have I been? Somehow I've missed these on NFL Network, ESPN, SI, and even here on the Mane. I've seen bmore's offer and our is better up front (clearly leaving the window open to renegotiate the latter stages before they get here). So yes, please, take the time to draw and color these other legit offers for me. If they exist and I've missed them then I will be glad to have you enlighten me on them.
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Exact history of the phrase precluded. Either way this has dragged on too long. When you're trying to hire an employee and they can't make up their mind on the offer for over a week, it never ends well.
What has dragged for to long? It's only been a week. And it's not like people are rushing up to sign any of the other pass rushers. We didn't even offer them a contract, just like the patriots did after having them in for a visit.

Once Doom sign his contract (which I still think will be with us), the others will follow. There is no rush what so ever. I am positive this will all end by monday by the latest.
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