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Old 03-11-2013, 04:05 PM   #51
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Socal will jump ship like Atlas did when Shanny was shown the door.
Look at his join date, SoCal was here pre-D.J. Williams so I am fairly certain he is not going to jump ship.
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:17 PM   #52
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Biggest play?
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When he LIT UP Roy Williams over the middle in 2009 vs. the Cowboys.
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:19 PM   #53
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DJ high lite, Roy Williams had already dropped the un-catchable ball. Yep, DJ at his best.
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:22 PM   #54
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DJ high lite, Roy Williams had already dropped the un-catchable ball. Yep, DJ at his best.
My thought exactly. DUI showing up late or after damage was already done.
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John Lynch would have been fined 10 bazillion dollars for that hit. Just sayin'…
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:30 PM   #56
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DJ was the master of tackles… 10 yards down the field… 3 yards after the yard of gain had been made… But, he sure made a lot of tackles!!!
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:39 PM   #57
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I'm down for letting Doom walk if he won't take a reasonable deal. We need players who want to do whatever it takes to win. Not players who will fight over every million dollars. I understand why players do it, and that is the smart move. If I was an agent I would say you always take the most garaunteed money regardless of team. But we need to find some of those stupid ones who really care mostly about winning.

We have a couple DE's in the market place that in a part time pass rushing role probably can get 7-10 sacks.
Who's in the marketplace that can get 7-10 sacks, or basically one less that Doom got last year as a full-time player, in a part time role? And why wouldn't they get pegged as full time starters with that type of production? Not to mention, you would have a group of teams looking to sign them.

This myth that we can easily replace Doom's production is completely absurd. There is a reason why pass rushing DE's get paid the big bucks, and it's not because they are easily replaceable
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And if we sign Steven Jackson later this week… can I say "full circle"?
That would be surreal.

I remember posting on the Mane during the draft that day. After Philly pick, I excitedly posted "Stephen Jackson is ours."

When we picked DJ, I was dumfounded.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:18 PM   #59
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That would be surreal.

I remember posting on the Mane during the draft that day. After Philly pick, I excitedly posted "Stephen Jackson is ours."

When we picked DJ, I was dumfounded.
Right. Somethings that make too much sense, just do that. I mean its just football, after all…
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DJ was a selfish guy who never thought of the team...only himself. His constantly getting into off field trouble led to this.....the only positive about his bull**** is that we found a better player in Woodyard. Thanks for your above average play and minor contributions to our team dude. Personally I'm glad he's gone......addition by subtraction.

On a side note, I think his biggest play was sacking Dolphins QB forcing fumble to help us win game in OT in 2011
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My thought exactly. DUI showing up late or after damage was already done.

Well, I guess that proves that alcohol does indeed impair judgement and slows reaction time
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Wait, so you telling me SoCalBronco doesn't have an NFL team at the moment?
I know right...amazing how many people put a mediocre player before the greatest team ever.
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John Lynch would have been fined 10 bazillion dollars for that hit. Just sayin'…
At least Lynch would've got there as soon as the ball did......
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Who's in the marketplace that can get 7-10 sacks, or basically one less that Doom got last year as a full-time player, in a part time role? And why wouldn't they get pegged as full time starters with that type of production? Not to mention, you would have a group of teams looking to sign them.

This myth that we can easily replace Doom's production is completely absurd. There is a reason why pass rushing DE's get paid the big bucks, and it's not because they are easily replaceable
the myth that we can't replace him is just as absurd. I agree it'll be hard to do with a guy who only comes in on passing downs....but Doom isn't the end all be all when it comes to rushing the passer

John Abraham had 10 sacks at 35 years old....Cliff Avril had 9.5....Paul Kruger had 9 in 6 starts this past season....all are free agents, and Avril is only 26 years old and has 39.5 sacks in 60 starts.

I like Doom and hope we can can keep him, but I'm not worried about replacing his production......whoever we get should do fine opposite Miller.
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I feel for you Socal!

DJ got bounced around from position to position. He was our best LB for a long time. Too bad he couldn't keep his **** together off the field.

This is the truth..............
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:09 PM   #66
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the myth that we can't replace him is just as absurd. I agree it'll be hard to do with a guy who only comes in on passing downs....but Doom isn't the end all be all when it comes to rushing the passer

John Abraham had 10 sacks at 35 years old....Cliff Avril had 9.5....Paul Kruger had 9 in 6 starts this past season....all are free agents, and Avril is only 26 years old and has 39.5 sacks in 60 starts.

I like Doom and hope we can can keep him, but I'm not worried about replacing his production......whoever we get should do fine opposite Miller.
No one is irreplaceable, but let's not pretend that making up for his production should be no sweat. It took us how long to get a guy like him ,and now all of a sudden, double digit sacks guys sprout on trees.

As for Avril, he has 39.5 sacks in 73 games. Kruger played in 15 games last year. It's disingenuous to say these guys had those sack totals in games started. You can't take sack totals and just apply toward games started. If that's the case, then Doom has 63.5 sacks in 75 starts, which is a heck of alot better than Avril. And if Avril does sign for say 6 million, combined with the dead money Doom would count for, is the difference worth it?
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More to it than his sack count. Unfortunately, all people around here seem to mention are sack totals when judging a players efficiency.
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More to it than his sack count. Unfortunately, all people around here seem to mention are sack totals when judging a players efficiency.
True, but sacks are the defining measurable for pass rushers. I posted yesterday that his 11 sacks don't mean he impacted only 11 plays. Someone posted that Doom was top 10 in QB pressures, not to mention how many times QB's threw the ball away or were forced into a bad throw. If anything, the only ones judging by sacks alone are those who are okay with this, as evidenced by all of the talk of how we can get 2 guys to replace Doom's production instead of getting it from one guy using one roster spot.
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No one is irreplaceable, but let's not pretend that making up for his production should be no sweat. It took us how long to get a guy like him ,and now all of a sudden, double digit sacks guys sprout on trees.

As for Avril, he has 39.5 sacks in 73 games. Kruger played in 15 games last year. It's disingenuous to say these guys had those sack totals in games started. You can't take sack totals and just apply toward games started. If that's the case, then Doom has 63.5 sacks in 75 starts, which is a heck of alot better than Avril. And if Avril does sign for say 6 million, combined with the dead money Doom would count for, is the difference worth it?

73 games in 5 seasons (80 possible) means he's a guy who impressed his coaches as a rookie, and he's missed 5 games over the course of his career, which means he's also durable......

Doom has missed how many games in his career? He's played a full season only twice in his last 6 seasons.....

Again, I like Doom and hope we can keep him....but if he's gone and we replace him with say Avril, I'm not too concerned.
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73 games in 5 seasons (80 possible) means he's a guy who impressed his coaches as a rookie, and he's missed 5 games over the course of his career, which means he's also durable......

Doom has missed how many games in his career? He's played a full season only twice in his last 6 seasons.....

Again, I like Doom and hope we can keep him....but if he's gone and we replace him with say Avril, I'm not too concerned.
Avril wants Mario Williams money....
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73 games in 5 seasons (80 possible) means he's a guy who impressed his coaches as a rookie, and he's missed 5 games over the course of his career, which means he's also durable......

Doom has missed how many games in his career? He's played a full season only twice in his last 6 seasons.....
Again, I like Doom and hope we can keep him....but if he's gone and we replace him with say Avril, I'm not too concerned.
Uh, according to NFL.com, Doom has missed only 5 games in his career, outside of the torn pec, so where are you getting your facts when you say he only played a full season twice in the last 6 seasons?

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True, but sacks are the defining measurable for pass rushers. I posted yesterday that his 11 sacks don't mean he impacted only 11 plays. Someone posted that Doom was top 10 in QB pressures, not to mention how many times QB's threw the ball away or were forced into a bad throw. If anything, the only ones judging by sacks alone are those who are okay with this, as evidenced by all of the talk of how we can get 2 guys to replace Doom's production instead of getting it from one guy using one roster spot.
I'm ready to roll in the new season with Ayers. I am happy being a little more stout on the end and sacrificing a few sacks. I guess my case would be if we want to argue sacks, then why did 7.5 of his 11 come in the 4th quarter. Obviously because teams are passing trying to catch up. He only had 2 sacks in the first half all year. Taking it even farther he had no sacks all year when the team was trailing by 1-16 points. In big situations he wasn't producing. Not trying to make the garbage time argument but if my memory serves me correctly that is when he made his biggest impact. He has to know exactly what the offense is doing or else he is getting stonewalled.

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I'm ready to roll in the new season with Ayers. I am happy being a little more stout on the end and sacrificing a few sacks. I guess my case would be if we want to argue sacks, then why did 7.5 of his 11 come in the 4th quarter. Obviously because teams are passing trying to catch up. He only had 2 sacks in the first half all year. Taking it even farther he had no sacks all year when the team was trailing by 1-16 points. In big situations he wasn't producing. Not trying to make the garbage time argument but if my memory serves me correctly that is when he made his biggest impact. He has to know exactly what the offense is doing or else he is getting stonewalled.
In 2010, when Doom was sidelined with the torn pectoral, the Broncos has 23 sacks, with DJ Williams leading with 5.5. Did the Broncos play teams with All Pro tackles every week that year? How come no one could take advantage of crappy tackles like Doom has supposedly made a living out of?
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It was time for you to go DJ, but you'll always be a cane. GL!
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:19 PM   #75
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In 2010, when Doom was sidelined with the torn pectoral, the Broncos has 23 sacks, with DJ Williams leading with 5.5. Did the Broncos play teams with All Pro tackles every week that year? How come no one could take advantage of crappy tackles like Doom has supposedly made a living out of?
A perfect illustration of the idiocy of these people.
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