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Old 03-08-2013, 08:36 AM   #201
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Doom goes and this team will suffer. I can't count how many times he rushed a QB into a mistake. Incompletes due to doom. Olines and offenses have to account for him. You are not going to find a replacement that will garner the same impact he will have on this season. Maybe a few years down the road with a rookie developing but not now when Peyton is on the field.

They want to win a superbowl they need to open up the wallet for a couple years. Cheap teams don't win SuperBowls.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:37 AM   #202
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Nah I don't buy it. Hopefully we don't find out but no one will give Doom that kind of money per year, it just won't happen. Doom has good numbers but he's not a Von/Watts game changer.
That's fine if you don't buy it, but you're wrong. Doom would absolutely get eight figures in guaranteed money on the open market. That's just a fact.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:45 AM   #203
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all those years we wanted Denver to get players who can get after the QB and now we have 2 of them and some fans are saying Doom isn't that good? Doom's importance isn't limited to his own sack production. If he leaves you can bet Miller's production is going to dip as well. Hope this works out because having Von and Doom is a huge advantage with Peyton at QB.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:55 AM   #204
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all those years we wanted Denver to get players who can get after the QB and now we have 2 of them and some fans are saying Doom isn't that good? Doom's importance isn't limited to his own sack production. If he leaves you can bet Miller's production is going to dip as well. Hope this works out because having Von and Doom is a huge advantage with Peyton at QB.
I think Von's total goes down by at least 3 and I imagine possibly 5 if an equal replace of Doom isn't found.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:11 AM   #205
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Just imagine that. Doom next to a competent DT for once. Doom next to Wilfork would be complete ownage.
I'm open to being corrected but I'm not sure Doom would/could play end in a 3-4?
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:15 AM   #206
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I'm open to being corrected but I'm not sure Doom would/could play end in a 3-4?
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:16 AM   #207
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all those years we wanted Denver to get players who can get after the QB and now we have 2 of them and some fans are saying Doom isn't that good? Doom's importance isn't limited to his own sack production. If he leaves you can bet Miller's production is going to dip as well. Hope this works out because having Von and Doom is a huge advantage with Peyton at QB.
exactly. Pay the man. I don't care if he disappeared in the playoffs. Guess what, the only guy that showed up was Holiday.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:17 AM   #208
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The Broncos better not have another season ruined by McDaniels/Xanders and their ridiculous middle-loaded contract.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:34 AM   #209
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We'll see I guess just don't see people breaking the bank to get to doom.
You're an idiot.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:39 AM   #210
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all those years we wanted Denver to get players who can get after the QB and now we have 2 of them and some fans are saying Doom isn't that good? Doom's importance isn't limited to his own sack production. If he leaves you can bet Miller's production is going to dip as well. Hope this works out because having Von and Doom is a huge advantage with Peyton at QB.
exactly. Pay the man. I don't care if he disappeared in the playoffs. Guess what, the only guy that showed up was Holiday.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:42 AM   #211
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Are you dooms agent or something? Good Lord dude
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:42 AM   #212
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Did some of you just gloss over Med's post on Dumervil or was it too complicated to understand?
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:48 AM   #213
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I'm open to being corrected but I'm not sure Doom would/could play end in a 3-4?
Like BroncosFanGuy said, they moved last year to more of 4-3 defense. But they also switch on the go to a 3-4. Doom would own that scheme. Even if he was primarily playing in a 3-4 that front 3 would make him even more lethal.
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I'm open to being corrected but I'm not sure Doom would/could play end in a 3-4?
Non-issue really,he is a OLB in a 3-4 defense. I'm not sure why anyone would think he would stay at DE in a 3-4 scheme. He had 17+ sacks couple yrs ago when he played OLB in the 3-4 we ran then.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:32 AM   #215
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With the limited window we have with Manning, I'm not sure why Elway and co. just don't bite the bullet with Doom. He's in his prime and pass rushing guys get paid premium dollars. Even if they can replace his production, it won't be with a single guy, which will allow teams to focus a lot more on Von as the only consistent pass rush threat.

Just seems really stupid to me.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:37 AM   #216
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What ever defense Denver plays Doom is lined up with the same responsibilties whether a 3-4 or 4-3 under. People get too hung up on is it a 3-4 or 4-3 when there are so many variations of both. That being said Doom needs to help the team out and restructure if he really wants to win. A deal could be worked out that is good for both sides.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:39 AM   #217
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I tend to agree with IAOFM's take linked below. Elvis is gone.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...to-restructure
Really it's shocking to see you agree with the writers of IAOFM. That is news in itself.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:44 AM   #218
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i just don't get this scenario. just lower the cap hit and let him keep his money.
he got off to a crappy start and still ended up with 11 sacks. why mess with your 2nd best pass rusher when DL is a semi weak point of the team? it's not like Wolfe plays exclusively DE nor is it like Ayers is gonna replace him.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:49 AM   #219
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What ever defense Denver plays Doom is lined up with the same responsibilties whether a 3-4 or 4-3 under. People get too hung up on is it a 3-4 or 4-3 when there are so many variations of both. That being said Doom needs to help the team out and restructure if he really wants to win. A deal could be worked out that is good for both sides.
Agreed, but Doom has the cards here. The Broncos need to realise the CLUB made the contract problem, not Doom.

He will probably restructure some if the contract is guaranteed. 24 Mill guranteed over three years ( 8 per) and bonuses for performance that bring it back up to around 28 mill if needed. Then a 2 year extension at another 6-7 mill per , not guaranteed, and both sides should be happy. He will get at least that if they cut him, and possibly more, and would be giving a home team discount, and about 4 mill cap space to the club.
Asking for more by the Broncos would be stupid. If Doom gets injured it means some dead money, but thats a chance you take on any player.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:57 AM   #220
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Agreed, but Doom has the cards here
Not really, I really believe that if it came down to it we would release him and save some cheddar. Sure, I would love him to stay but he's expendable.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:01 PM   #221
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Not really, I really believe that if it came down to it we would release him and save some cheddar. Sure, I would love him to stay but he's expendable.
This I dont get. In what way is a 29 year old, double digit sack specialist expendable?

It is the pressure upfront that kept our secondary from imploding earlier. Also lets them move Von around to be even more disruptive. Bet most of the sacks the interior guys got happened with Doom getting double teamed as well.
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This I dont get. In what way is a 29 year old, double digit sack specialist expendable?

It is the pressure upfront that kept our secondary from imploding earlier. Also lets them move Von around to be even more disruptive. Bet most of the sacks the interior guys got happened with Doom getting double teamed as well.
You're confusing his playing abilities with money. I will say it again, I like Doom...want him to stay. But paying this sort of money for exactly what you said, a sack specialist, isn't smart business. The money that would be saved by releasing him (I will say again, I really hope this doesn't happen) would go a long way to making smarter financial moves with not much impact I would bet.

Maybe I am wrong, I am just saying...there are probably 3 guys on the team that aren't expendable. Maybe 4 tops. Outside of Manning and Miller it could be a good debate honestly.

The defensive cornerstone here, isn't Doom, despite what people seem to think. He's a complimentary player IMO.
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You're confusing his playing abilities with money. I will say it again, I like Doom...want him to stay. But paying this sort of money for exactly what you said, a sack specialist, isn't smart business. The money that would be saved by releasing him (I will say again, I really hope this doesn't happen) would go a long way to making smarter financial moves with not much impact I would bet.

Maybe I am wrong, I am just saying...there are probably 3 guys on the team that aren't expendable. Maybe 4 tops. Outside of Manning and Miller it could be a good debate honestly.

The defensive cornerstone here, isn't Doom, despite what people seem to think. He's a complimentary player IMO.
How do you save money and not lose production? He is a hell of alot more than a complimentary player. DJ Williams is a complimentary player.

You cant save money and get equal production. That guy doesnt exist. Save a few bucks to bring in a broken down Freeney? I thought we were trying to win a SB?

The worst part is, all this seems to be coming from left field.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:17 PM   #224
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I'm calling it now, Doom goes to New England and sacks Peyton 3 times in the playoffs next season. All you guys worried about his paycheck are silly.
Exactly, If Denver cuts Doom for his salary they better make some huge FA acquisitions that they could not have made. I'm talking Mike Wallace, Percy Harvin type top shelf players. Because Doom and NE makes just too much sense.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:19 PM   #225
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Doom goes and this team will suffer. I can't count how many times he rushed a QB into a mistake. Incompletes due to doom. Olines and offenses have to account for him. You are not going to find a replacement that will garner the same impact he will have on this season. Maybe a few years down the road with a rookie developing but not now when Peyton is on the field.

They want to win a superbowl they need to open up the wallet for a couple years. Cheap teams don't win SuperBowls.
I so agree
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