Broncos want Doom to restructure - Page 3 - The Orange Mane

DBroncos4life · 03-06-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

You sure about that (i.e. they will spend the $12mil that would have gone to Doom)

I don't think for one second they are making the move just to save money. They are doing it either to sign big time guys i.e, Revis and Freeney. No way can they sign those guys or other guys to go with Freeney for less then what they save with Doom.

ludo21 · 03-06-2013, 02:41 PM

dont mind if he restructures and gets some guaranteed money. but not just to outright release a GREAT pass rusher for old man river Freeney. yuck

Freeney would be an 'ok' stop gap if we can get revis i guess

eddie mac · 03-06-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

Doom will be paid at least what he's due on his current contract. Restructure = paid right now and spread the cap hit out. If they really wanted to pay him less it goes like this: cut -> re-sign at a lower amount.

It wont mean that in this case. They're asking for a paycut.

Br0nc0Buster · 03-06-2013, 02:46 PM

I highly doubt the FO is entertaining the idea of outright releasing Doom

I do think this adds legitimacy of the Revis rumors though

Freeney talk is just posturing
Freeney is pretty much done, he cant replace Doom in really any capacity

pricejj · 03-06-2013, 02:58 PM

Vic Lombardi broke the story 5 hours ago.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
Elvis due to make $12m in '13, $10m in '14 and $9m in '15. Hence, they want him to restructure

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
With Elvis due 31mill over the next three years, I can see Broncos asking him to restructure to similar money over 4-5 years. Pretty common

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
And I can see Elvis being perfectly agreeable to that. He knew this was coming.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
And I'm told Elvis IS open to restructuring.

BroncoBeavis · 03-06-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I don't think for one second they are making the move just to save money. They are doing it either to sign big time guys i.e, Revis and Freeney. No way can they sign those guys or other guys to go with Freeney for less then what they save with Doom.

God I hope they don't consider Freeney 'big time'

We're all b****ing about 11 sacks last year and DF's only managed more than 11 (13.5) once in the last 7 years.

And that was 4 years ago. Ick.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 03-06-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Vic Lombardi broke the story 5 hours ago.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
Elvis due to make $12m in '13, $10m in '14 and $9m in '15. Hence, they want him to restructure

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
With Elvis due 31mill over the next three years, I can see Broncos asking him to restructure to similar money over 4-5 years. Pretty common

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
And I can see Elvis being perfectly agreeable to that. He knew this was coming.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
And I'm told Elvis IS open to restructuring.

This is encouraging

extralife · 03-06-2013, 03:31 PM

The team has ZERO leverage. If they cut him he'd make MORE on the open market, not less.

Bigdawg26 · 03-06-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Vic Lombardi broke the story 5 hours ago.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
Elvis due to make $12m in '13, $10m in '14 and $9m in '15. Hence, they want him to restructure

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
With Elvis due 31mill over the next three years, I can see Broncos asking him to restructure to similar money over 4-5 years. Pretty common

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
And I can see Elvis being perfectly agreeable to that. He knew this was coming.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi
And I'm told Elvis IS open to restructuring.

Case is pretty much close. I wouldn't mind getting my money as a signing bonus instead of waiting til the season. I would be open to that too!

Rascal · 03-06-2013, 04:06 PM

Hope it works out where we can keep him. I'd rather have him than Freeney.

Smilin Assassin · 03-06-2013, 04:30 PM

Ian Rappaport says word is Elvis isn't open to the idea, and this could be a fight between The Broncos & Dumervil.

I can't see this front office letting someone like Elvis go. Just can't see it.

TonyR · 03-06-2013, 04:34 PM

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Denver is indeed looking for Elvis Dumervil to take a paycut. It's not his cap number ($13.6M) but his salary ($12M) that's the problem. So with Dumervil and Denver, this likely wouldn't be a restructure. He's simply making too much money relative to his production now. Remember, Denver's cap has been managed well. They'll have room to take care of guys like Decker, Thomas and Miller in coming years

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/stat...71182120046593

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Broncos like pass rusher Elvis Dumervil, but not at $12M/year. They are seeking a lower deal, and situation could end up with his release. Broncos paying Manning $20M/year, Bailey is around $10M, and Von Miller will be getting paid huge soon enough.

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/s...65622800801792

Good rundown of the whole thing here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...vil-or-his-pay

gunns · 03-06-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Freeney in place of dumervil is downgrading a position of huge importance on this team IMO.

I'd draft Werner....if he's there.

gunns · 03-06-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife

The team has ZERO leverage. If they cut him he'd make MORE on the open market, not less.

Well if it's totally about the money for him and not the Lombardi, buh bye. He'd still get his money, just over a longer period.

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-06-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gunns

Well if it's totally about the money for him and not the Lombardi, buh bye. He'd still get his money, just over a longer period.

just a question:

How would you like it if your employer asked you to take a paycut to be a team player? A paycut of, i assume, 10% of your salary...regardless of how much you make.

Agamemnon · 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

A league source tells the Denver Post the Broncos will pursue free agent Dwight Freeney if they can't get RE Elvis Dumervil to take a pay-cut.
Per beat writer Mike Klis, the Broncos believe they'd be better off paying Freeney $5 million instead of Dumervil's currently scheduled $12 million. Dumervil is the more productive player at this stage of their careers, but is grossly overpaid. A return to a 4-3 defense could also help Freeney rebound from a rough 2012. This won't be the last we hear of Freeney potentially reuniting with Peyton Manning.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...run-at-freeney

I really hope our FO isn't that stupid.

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-06-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I really hope our FO isn't that stupid.

If you could turn Doom into Freeney and 2 other pieces it might not be the dumbest thing in the world.

that said, i hope they restructure and free up some cash.

gunns · 03-06-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

just a question:

How would you like it if your employer asked you to take a paycut to be a team player? A paycut of, i assume, 10% of your salary...regardless of how much you make.

They aren't asking him to take a pay cut per se, he'll still get his money and he's making enough, even with less over a longer period, that I doubt it would effect him to the extent it would effect me. And with the sequester it may happen to me, losing 2 days a pay period. I'm just glad to have a job.

SouthStndJunkie · 03-06-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gunns

I'd draft Werner....if he's there.

Bjoern Werner will be gone in first 5 or 10 picks.

I'll eat a can of moist cat food if Bjoern Werner lasts until the 28th pick.

Cito Pelon · 03-06-2013, 05:00 PM

They should ask Peymeaton one-and-done-meister to take a cut also.

Bacchus · 03-06-2013, 05:01 PM

So does this mean the Broncos will increase all the player's play who overperformed their contracts, like Woodyard, Harris, Carter, and Decker? I guess they are all getting big raises right?

If i was Doom I'd tell them to suck it and cut me. He is going to make more in FA plus he'll get another signing bonus.

winstoncup bronco · 03-06-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

So does this mean the Broncos will increase all the player's play who overperformed their contracts, like Woodyard, Harris, Carter, and Decker? I guess they are all getting big raises right?

If i was Doom I'd tell them to suck it and cut me. He is going to make more in FA plus he'll get another signing bonus.

I find it hard to believe he gets cut outright. Some team will make a lowball offer to kick off negotiations, so they can get him at his current salary before his value goes up as an UFA.

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-06-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gunns

They aren't asking him to take a pay cut per se, he'll still get his money and he's making enough, even with less over a longer period, that I doubt it would effect him to the extent it would effect me. And with the sequester it may happen to me, losing 2 days a pay period. I'm just glad to have a job.

it appears its not the cap figure that's bothering them, but the salary...so they'd be asking him to take a pay cut if thats true. And thats not an apples to apples comparison. A lot of people are taking a hit with the sequester. if all broncos got their salaries docked because of something, i'm sure it'd be a diff story.

Abqbronco · 03-06-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

just a question:

How would you like it if your employer asked you to take a paycut to be a team player? A paycut of, i assume, 10% of your salary...regardless of how much you make.

You're right! It's exactly the same.

Also, this happens all the time. Work four days a week to keep everyone employed. People don't like it but they often do it for the "team."

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-06-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Abqbronco

You're right! It's exactly the same.

Also, this happens all the time. Work four days a week to keep everyone employed. People don't like it but they often do it for the "team."

But if you were asked to take the paycut, full well knowing you might be able to get a better deal elsewhere, would you?

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03-06-2013, 02:41 PM	#52
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,906 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	dont mind if he restructures and gets some guaranteed money. but not just to outright release a GREAT pass rusher for old man river Freeney. yuck Freeney would be an 'ok' stop gap if we can get revis i guess

03-06-2013, 02:46 PM	#54
Br0nc0Buster 2012 AFC West Champs stiff arming through the playoffs Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,432	I highly doubt the FO is entertaining the idea of outright releasing Doom I do think this adds legitimacy of the Revis rumors though Freeney talk is just posturing Freeney is pretty much done, he cant replace Doom in really any capacity

03-06-2013, 02:58 PM	#55
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,185	Vic Lombardi broke the story 5 hours ago. Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi Elvis due to make $12m in '13, $10m in '14 and $9m in '15. Hence, they want him to restructure Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi With Elvis due 31mill over the next three years, I can see Broncos asking him to restructure to similar money over 4-5 years. Pretty common Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi And I can see Elvis being perfectly agreeable to that. He knew this was coming. Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi And I'm told Elvis IS open to restructuring.

03-06-2013, 03:31 PM	#58
extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,900	The team has ZERO leverage. If they cut him he'd make MORE on the open market, not less.

03-06-2013, 04:06 PM	#60
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Hope it works out where we can keep him. I'd rather have him than Freeney.

03-06-2013, 04:30 PM	#61
Smilin Assassin Tradition Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,622	Ian Rappaport says word is Elvis isn't open to the idea, and this could be a fight between The Broncos & Dumervil. I can't see this front office letting someone like Elvis go. Just can't see it.

03-06-2013, 05:00 PM	#70
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,194 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	They should ask Peymeaton one-and-done-meister to take a cut also.

03-06-2013, 05:01 PM	#71
Bacchus I'm buying Natasha Romanoff Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 5,210 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	So does this mean the Broncos will increase all the player's play who overperformed their contracts, like Woodyard, Harris, Carter, and Decker? I guess they are all getting big raises right? If i was Doom I'd tell them to suck it and cut me. He is going to make more in FA plus he'll get another signing bonus.