Broncos want Doom to restructure

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

There is no need for Revis. Haven't we learned by now that you build the pass defense from the inside out? We can have 50 corners.....they won't hold up everytime for 5 seconds if there is no rush. We finally saw how the pass rush magically made everything better and now were going back to the old recipe which is not good. Denver has a veteran who had one awful game and two really nice youngsters at corner. We're fine. If you want to add another in the draft somewhere fine....but Revis creates over saturation of financial assets in one position...never a good thing when you have a finite cap...and a self imposed budget on top of it. Keep Doom....it's only one year where the hit is rough it goes down next year. They've been cheap asses for the vast majority of this century. I'm tired of it.

I agree, I don't want Revis and I think Denver isn't even looking at him.

What I wanted Denver to do this FA was to sign a couple of quality FA and look toward the draft and build from there. Then wait for training camp cuts to fill out the roster. Always good players available cheap there. It seems we might be committing the mistakes we went through in the 2000's.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by pricejj

I can hardly wait for the next mediocre $3M 'value signing' the FO foists upon us.

If Dumervil goes, the Broncos soul goes with him.

The Broncos soul?

Wtf?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

There is no need for Revis. Haven't we learned by now that you build the pass defense from the inside out? We can have 50 corners.....they won't hold up everytime for 5 seconds if there is no rush. We finally saw how the pass rush magically made everything better and now were going back to the old recipe which is not good. Denver has a veteran who had one awful game and two really nice youngsters at corner. We're fine. If you want to add another in the draft somewhere fine....but Revis creates over saturation of financial assets in one position...never a good thing when you have a finite cap...and a self imposed budget on top of it. Keep Doom....it's only one year where the hit is rough it goes down next year. They've been cheap asses for the vast majority of this century. I'm tired of it.

I agree there's no need for revis, but if they took Doom's money, signed a guy they feel could somewhat replicate his performance, while adding a couple of other pieces they wouldnt have normally afforded, im ok with it.

All that said, I'd still rather keep him.

[pricejj]

It ain't Dumervil's fault. It's McDaniels fault for back-loading the crap out of the contract.

Dumervil's base salary was $630k in the first year of a 6 year $61.5M contract, just so McDaniels could hire all his Patriot back-up buddies. That assmonkey is still screwing this team 3 years after he was fired.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

I agree there's no need for revis, but if they took Doom's money, signed a guy they feel could somewhat replicate his performance, while adding a couple of other pieces they wouldnt have normally afforded, im ok with it.

All that said, I'd still rather keep him.

No need for Revis? I imagine anybody who watched that playoff loss wouldn't exactly agree. He's a dominant CB. Some may not like his proposed price tag but you can't argue he would be a monster upgrade over the CB opposite of Bailey.

[cutthemdown]

There is always a need for a great player regardless of position. Elway better have more up his sleeve then just dropping Doom because he may not be worth 10-12 mil a yr. I have faith he will add a great player so stay tuned.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by KCStud

Love this. Now you guys will probably sign some old past-his-prime DE like Dwight Freeney.

It's the most wonderful time of the year! It's Christmas time for Queef fans everyone.....THE OFFSEASON where dreams of not sucking dance through their heads.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by KCStud

Love this. Now you guys will probably sign some old past-his-prime DE like Dwight Freeney.

Maybe. But they'd be paying him less than half what they'd have to pay Dumervil, and he'd only be a partial replacement along with Ayers, Jackson, Hunter and/or whover else they line up in that spot. And with the savings they can address other needs.

[kent156]

true ^ if anything last season showed you can have a good pass rush but if the QB just does a three-step drop and your coverage sucks you will lose

[Drek]

Originally Posted by pricejj

It ain't Dumervil's fault. It's McDaniels fault for back-loading the crap out of the contract.

Dumervil's base salary was $630k in the first year of a 6 year $61.5M contract, just so McDaniels could hire all his Patriot back-up buddies. That assmonkey is still screwing this team 3 years after he was fired.

YEAR          BASE	   S. BONUS       MISC.	        CAP HIT	 
2010	        630,000	   500,000	      -          1,130,000
2011	     14,000,000	   500,000	 1,123,000	15,623,000
2012	     14,000,000	   500,000	 1,123,000	15,623,000	
2013	     12,000,000	   500,000	 1,123,000	13,623,000	
2014	     10,000,000	   500,000	 1,123,000	11,623,000
2015	      8,193,335	   500,000	 1,123,000	 9,816,335

That is the contract McDaniels gave Doom. It was light on year one because that is when the bonus was actually paid out and per Elway's own comments this team runs a "cash cap". So paying the guaranteed up front and then doling the rest out via bigger base salaries is how you actually balance the accounting.

The contract as you can see is actually front loaded as a result of that, with the major salaries and the major cap hits on the front end. This is the first of a three year close out where Doom's contract drops 2M in both base salary and cap hit year on year.

The hire that suddenly makes this a "bad" contract is one Peyton Manning and his massive salary, squeezing the budget while lobbying for Doom's replacement with Dwight Freeney (you don't sign Freeney if you still have Doom, they're redundant).

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Drek

The hire that suddenly makes this a "bad" contract is one Peyton Manning and his massive salary, squeezing the budget while lobbying for Doom's replacement with Dwight Freeney (you don't sign Freeney if you still have Doom, they're redundant).

I was hoping that wasn't the case (the lobbying for Freeney thing)

But it makes sense. I sure as hell would think if he weren't pulling for Freeney that if he saw Doom about to walk he'd try to help out by restructuring and freeing up a million or three.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Drek

The hire that suddenly makes this a "bad" contract is one Peyton Manning and his massive salary, squeezing the budget while lobbying for Doom's replacement with Dwight Freeney (you don't sign Freeney if you still have Doom, they're redundant).

Some truth to this. But without PM this is an 8-8 football team instead of a Super Bowl contender. And as I keep saying Freeney is not Doom's "replacement".

[Rabb]

Unfortunately even though we are in "win now" mode with PMFM here...we are still in somewhat of a rebuilding and cleanup mode.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by kent156

true ^ if anything last season showed you can have a good pass rush but if the QB just does a three-step drop and your coverage sucks you will lose

I don't remember a whole lot of 3-step drops by JF in the playoffs. Lack of pressure was probably the biggest factor on defense. Miller was in coverage far too often.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

People are also forgetting that Doom's contract was signed under the last CBA, when you could prorate cap hits for bonuses and restructure the contract by turning base salaries into bonuses later on, compared to the new CBA where what someone is actually paid that season is now their cap hit. 3 years ago, Denver could simply restructure the contract and convert the bulk of the $14M into a new bonus and spread it out. That's not possible anymore.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Some truth to this. But without PM this is an 8-8 football team instead of a Super Bowl contender. And as I keep saying Freeney is not Doom's "replacement".

Without Peyton Manning we lose in the divisional round of the playoffs. Oh wait....

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Drek

Without Peyton Manning we lose in the divisional round of the playoffs. Oh wait....

^ You're better than resorting to this silly argument.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Drek

Without Peyton Manning we lose in the divisional round of the playoffs. Oh wait....

Did Macgruder hack Drek's account? That's a stupid, lazy argument and you know it.

[Requiem]

Drek is slipping.

[eddie mac]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

People are also forgetting that Doom's contract was signed under the last CBA, when you could prorate cap hits for bonuses and restructure the contract by turning base salaries into bonuses later on, compared to the new CBA where what someone is actually paid that season is now their cap hit. 3 years ago, Denver could simply restructure the contract and convert the bulk of the $14M into a new bonus and spread it out. That's not possible anymore.

It still is, Dallas just did it with half their roster, the Saints and Bucs did it too with high base-salaried players. Broncos could drop Doom's $12m base today to $1m if they wanted, pay him an $11m signing bonus and prorate the hit over the next 3 seasons. Problem is they dont want to give him the $12m at all in any format regardless of cap savings, this has always been about saving cash and value for money.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by eddie mac

It still is, Dallas just did it with half their roster, the Saints and Bucs did it too with high base-salaried players. Broncos could drop Doom's $12m base today to $1m if they wanted, pay him an $11m signing bonus and prorate the hit over the next 3 seasons. Problem is they dont want to give him the $12m at all in any format regardless of cap savings, this has always been about saving cash and value for money.

Say it. Broke Ass Bowlen. Just say it.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by TonyR

^ You're better than resorting to this silly argument.

I was responding to an equally disingenuous argument with one of my own, if you want better quality responses from me don't post **** like "without Peyton we were 8-8, now we're a Super Bowl contender". Ignoring that the previous QB got us to that 8-8 record despite the FO's best efforts to the contrary (trading Lloyd post-haste when they made the switch) and his predecessor's 1-4 start, or that being a Super Bowl contender now just requires you to make it into the divisional round when last year that apparently wasn't good enough.

Manning is an obvious improvement at QB, no ****. But he's being paid a ton of money to be that upgrade and is a short term patch. He's here to win Super Bowls quickly, or barring that at least a few playoff games. So far he's done jack **** of that.

Doesn't mean it was a bad move getting him, but it's pretty bull**** to let the guy who hasn't done the job we hired him to do start lobbying for his boys at the expense of a lifelong Denver Bronco.

Odds are in 20 years Manning's time here will be a blip on the radar. Doom has the talent and career to date of being a legacy. But that apparently doesn't mean ****, current management would rather roll the dice of winning with rentals than actually build a tradition of class and legacy great players within the Broncos brand.

This is why saying that we're now the Denver Mannings is a very accurate critique of organizational philosophy. Manning will get what Manning wants, **** everybody else.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Drek

I was responding to an equally disingenuous argument with one of my own, if you want better quality responses from me don't post **** like "without Peyton we were 8-8, now we're a Super Bowl contender". Ignoring that the previous QB got us to that 8-8 record despite the FO's best efforts to the contrary (trading Lloyd post-haste when they made the switch) and his predecessor's 1-4 start, or that being a Super Bowl contender now just requires you to make it into the divisional round when last year that apparently wasn't good enough.

Manning is an obvious improvement at QB, no ****. But he's being paid a ton of money to be that upgrade and is a short term patch. He's here to win Super Bowls quickly, or barring that at least a few playoff games. So far he's done jack **** of that.

Doesn't mean it was a bad move getting him, but it's pretty bull**** to let the guy who hasn't done the job we hired him to do start lobbying for his boys at the expense of a lifelong Denver Bronco.

Odds are in 20 years Manning's time here will be a blip on the radar. Doom has the talent and career to date of being a legacy. But that apparently doesn't mean ****, current management would rather roll the dice of winning with rentals than actually build a tradition of class and legacy great players within the Broncos brand.

This is why saying that we're now the Denver Mannings is a very accurate critique of organizational philosophy. Manning will get what Manning wants, **** everybody else.

You really think Manning is telling the front office to release Doom and sign Freeney? Really? And where is there any evidence at all that Manning is dictating terms to the front office?

[Drek]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

You really think Manning is telling the front office to release Doom and sign Freeney? Really? And where is there any evidence at all that Manning is dictating terms to the front office?

We've already had multiple sources say he's "lobbying" for Freeney. This team with Doom has no role for Freeney.

The only reason there is any kind of cap/cash tightness on the books currently is because of Manning. So regardless of how actively he's pushing his agenda the only reasons the team would have to release Doom tie directly to Manning being here.

I doubt he's dictating terms at all though, because I'd bet that Elway is in 100% agreement with him. Non-QBs are disposable.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Say it. Broke Ass Bowlen. Just say it.

I've said it several times and I get blasted for it despite evidence confirming it.