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Old 03-10-2013, 05:08 PM   #326
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Dumerville is held more than any other player in the league, and for whatever reason, virtually never gets the call.
Until he joins the Pats
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:10 PM   #327
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Guys who get sacks warrant big deals and large salaries. Getting a sack is basically just as good as a turnover as more time than not, it's a drive killer.

Add in the actual strips Doom causes that can drastically change the field position and you begin to see why guys like this are so valued across the league.

Stopping the run is fine, sound, logical football. But it doesn't normally have the huge momentum turning effect that getting a sack does.
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:36 PM   #328
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I wish we knew the thought process...

Cut Doom and use his cap space to sign Jackson and Osi maybe I could get with that. But just sign Freeney as a cheaper DE replacement.. I don't like it.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:03 PM   #329
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Somebody please tell me why our 79% kicker is the 11th highest paid player on the Broncos roster?
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:08 PM   #330
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Somebody please tell me why our 79% kicker is the 11th highest paid player on the Broncos roster?
I think the cap savings is very low if he were cut this season.. But I feel the same way..
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He's getting paid for the clutch season he had prior. At least he's not getting the $4 million per that Janokowski is making.

No issues at all with paying Prater.

And if they cut him, $2.4 of his $3.3 million would be a cap hit.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:11 PM   #332
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He's getting paid for the clutch season he had prior. At least he's not getting the $4 million per that Janokowski is making.
Prater will be making roughly $4M starting in 2014, and is a major knuckle-ball head case.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:17 PM   #333
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He's clutch and has proved it. One bad kick in a position he should have never been kicking in anyway, doesn't mean Denver should cut him.

It doesn't make sense to cut Prater until after next season at the earliest. So b**** and complain as you will, but he earned his contract.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:31 PM   #334
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He's clutch and has proved it.
There is nothing 'clutch' about a career 79% kicker.

Get this...after Dumervil, DJ, and Mays are cut, Prater will be the 8th highest paid player on the Broncos roster...Lol.
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Prater is 27th in the NFL in kicking accuracy...utterly pathetic. Crack job FO.
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The football on that kick must have been harder than granite. Rich Karlis would have broken every bone in his foot!
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The football on that kick must have been harder than granite. Rich Karlis would have broken every bone in his foot!
Prater kicked the ground, not the ball...that's how off he is.

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Old 03-10-2013, 11:54 PM   #338
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the more i think about cutting him, the less i like the idea... they're on the hook for 4.5 mill this year even if they cut him. He's another weapon on defense. I agree he's overpaid but I think that the dead money combined with the salary of his replacement will be around what his 2013 cap number is. Why pay for him and his replacement, unless his replacement is better? Is there really a better replacement out there?
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:40 AM   #339
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Prater is 27th in the NFL in kicking accuracy...utterly pathetic. Crack job FO.
Pretty sure Prater had a terrible year that was Shanny's last. Always thought he contributed to getting him fired. Was clutch the year before though.

OK, so we currently have 9mil and change in cap space, and a 14 mil rollover. WTF are we trying to cut Doom?
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Pretty sure Prater had a terrible year that was Shanny's last. Always thought he contributed to getting him fired. Was clutch the year before though.

OK, so we currently have 9mil and change in cap space, and a 14 mil rollover. WTF are we trying to cut Doom?
looking to sign some big fish in free agency it appears...
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Pretty sure Prater had a terrible year that was Shanny's last. Always thought he contributed to getting him fired. Was clutch the year before though.

OK, so we currently have 9mil and change in cap space, and a 14 mil rollover. WTF are we trying to cut Doom?
1. Cutting Dumervil now:
2-year cost: $4.8M
2-year gain: nothing, other than keeping ~$11M of their rollover

2. Keeping Dumervil under current contract, and cutting him in 2014:
2-year cost: $16.8M (and spending entire $14M rollover in 2013)
2-year gain: 1 year of football

3. Reworking Dumervil to $8M per year:
2-year cost: $16M
2-year gain: 2 years of football (and keeping about half their rollover to spend in 2014)


Keeping Dumervil under the current contract for the next 2 years is NOT an option. They would be roughly $10M over the cap in 2014, with no rollover, and with several internal FA's to re-sign. Roster armageddon.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:14 AM   #342
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Keeping Dumervil under the current contract for the next 2 years is NOT an option. They would be roughly $10M over the cap in 2014, with no rollover, and with several internal FA's to re-sign. Roster armageddon.
Plus Von is going to get a huge pay raise soon. Denver needs space for him down the road.
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1. Cutting Dumervil now:
2-year cost: $4.8M
2-year gain: nothing, other than keeping ~$11M of their rollover

2. Keeping Dumervil under current contract, and cutting him in 2014:
2-year cost: $16.8M (and spending entire $14M rollover in 2013)
2-year gain: 1 year of football

3. Reworking Dumervil to $8M per year:
2-year cost: $16M
2-year gain: 2 years of football (and keeping about half their rollover to spend in 2014)


Keeping Dumervil under the current contract for the next 2 years is NOT an option. They would be roughly $10M over the cap in 2014, with no rollover, and with several internal FA's to re-sign. Roster armageddon.
1. Doom's cap number gets more friendly the next two years.

2. The cap is projected to go UP!

3. Manning wins a SB, rides off into the sunset, 20mil a season off the books.

4. WTF are you worried about rolling over money to 2014 Win now stupid!
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:57 AM   #344
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1. Doom's cap number gets more friendly the next two years.

2. The cap is projected to go UP!

3. Manning wins a SB, rides off into the sunset, 20mil a season off the books.

4. WTF are you worried about rolling over money to 2014 Win now stupid!
That is perfect logic, after reading all these posts I still fail to see how Denver gets better by cutting Doom.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:15 AM   #345
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People worried about Von are dumb. We control him for years, by which point Manning will have retired. 20 Million off the books--I wonder who will get it?

DT will get paid before Von. If you really want to project how many millions we will have to extend him, which is a fool's game, look to Champ, who after this season will have one year at 9 million left on his contract. His options will be to either play out that one year, or to work a new 2 or 3 year deal with a softer cap number in 2014 and more money overall. That's a lock to occur, unless we cut him outright (which would be awful).
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:26 AM   #346
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That is perfect logic, after reading all these posts I still fail to see how Denver gets better by cutting Doom.
By spending the money elsewhere. I know that we have won so many playoff games with Doom and all, but maybe having just him isn't the answer to get us over the hump like you guys beleive. Abraham had 9.5 sacks, 6 FFs and 7 PD making under 5 million dollars last year. You could give Manning a pro bowl playe r on the offensive side of tje ball with that cap difference.
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By spending the money elsewhere. I know that we have won so many playoff games with Doom and all, but maybe having just him isn't the answer to get us over the hump like you guys beleive. Abraham had 9.5 sacks, 6 FFs and 7 PD making under 5 million dollars last year. You could give Manning a pro bowl playe r on the offensive side of tje ball with that cap difference.
John Abraham didn't have a single sack against a winning team last season. In fact, against winning teams last season, he managed a grand total of 2 tackles, 1 PD and 1 FF.

Also, he is about to turn 35.
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John Abraham didn't have a single sack against a winning team last season. In fact, against winning teams last season, he managed a grand total of 2 tackles, 1 PD and 1 FF.

Also, he is about to turn 35.
They played 3 teams with winning records vs 13 with losing records.

Clearly he isn't a long term answer, but Denver has other players that they need to worry about moving forward as well.
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People worried about Von are dumb. We control him for years, by which point Manning will have retired.?
I was amazed (when I read it on IAOFM) at how fundamentally screwed Von is contractually for many years to come.
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They played 3 teams with winning records vs 13 with losing records.

Clearly he isn't a long term answer, but Denver has other players that they need to worry about moving forward as well.
So 2 tackles and no sacks in 3 games is good?
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