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Old 03-09-2013, 05:25 PM   #301
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Which would be idiotic beyond belief and should cause fans to riot.

This team has a 2 year window with Peyton....you spend the $$ to get it done.
It's idiotic to cut Doom, period. Teams are always looking to add pass rushers, we're looking to get rid of them. I promise you if this were McDaniels pulling these strings, this board would be apoplectic.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:31 PM   #302
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Dumervil's cap hit is $13.6M, if the Broncos cut him, there is $4.9M in dead money...giving the Broncos an extra $8.7M in FA.

They would have to sign his replacement for at least $5M.
This tells you all you need to know. Anyone interested in downgrading from Doom to Freeney for a cap savings of 3.5 million? No?
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:49 PM   #303
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This tells you all you need to know. Anyone interested in downgrading from Doom to Freeney for a cap savings of 3.5 million? No?
They don't have a choice. Something has to be done with Dumervil's contract. After cutting DJ and Mays, and including draft picks, the Broncos already have a cap number of $126M. That's before adding anyone in Free Agency.

They have $14M rollover from last year, but that's not something you want to blow all in one offseason. Next year they have several internal FA's.

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Old 03-09-2013, 05:55 PM   #304
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Id rather have Doom at his salary now than any other DE on the FA Market.

This is ridiculous we are making a big mistake if we cut him.

I hate the way this is going we are doing Doom dirty man smh
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:08 PM   #305
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They don't have a choice. Something has to be done with Dumervil's contract. After cutting DJ and Mays, and including draft picks, the Broncos already have a cap number of $126M. That's before adding anyone in Free Agency.

They have $14M rollover from last year, but that's not something you want to blow all in one offseason. Next year they have several internal FA's.
Von's next contract will be staggering..and he'll probably be worth every penny...$14Mill rollover? Is that money they can use any year going forward?
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:43 PM   #306
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I figure giving him a 3yr deal at 21 mill with a 3 mill signing bonus should get it done. Thus is essentially 8mill/yr...he is worth that.
That is laughable. Doom will get a $10 million signing bonus wherever he goes.

Denver plays from the lead. They force the other teams to pass the ball. Getting rid of Doom and replace him with? is not good for the team. Doom is a good player that rushes the QB and Denver is going to cut him because he does not live up to the over inflated contract they signed him to?

Good luck if they think Freeney is going to breing anything to Denver, besides he is going to cost $6 million a year.

Denver has plenty of cap room right now, improving on their 13 win season should not include getting rid of a guy who had 11.5 sacks last year and I believe 6 forced fumbles and numerous pressures. That is not how you improve this team.
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Von's next contract will be staggering..and he'll probably be worth every penny...$14Mill rollover? Is that money they can use any year going forward?
Yes. Whatever they don't spend of it this year will be rolled over to next year.

But if they already have $126M tied up this offseason, then sign a couple Free Agents...they will go into next season with about a $130M payroll, and still have to resign Decker, Beadles, Walton, and probably give a few million more to Von Miller...
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I don't know where you're getting the 126 million figure.
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Index	Pos.	Player	2013
Offense			
1	1WR	D. Thomas	$2.43
2	2WR	Eric Decker	$1.51
3	3WR	Brandon Stokley	$1.00
4	4WR	Andre Caldwell	$0.90
5	5WR	Matthew Willis	$1.32
6	6WR	T. Holliday	$0.48
7	LT	Ryan Clady	$9.83
8	LG	Zane Beadles	$1.06
9	C	J.D. Walton	$1.52
10	RG	Chris Kuper	$5.42
11	RT	O. Franklin	$1.19
12	OL Res.	Dan Koppen	$1.00
13	OL Res.	Manny Ramirez	$0.80
14	OL Res.	Chris Clark	$1.32
15	1TE	Joel Dreessen	$3.33
16	2TE	Jacob Tamme	$3.46
17	3TE	Virgil Green	$0.57
18	4TE	Julius Thomas	$0.65
19	1QB	Peyton Manning	$20.00
20	2QB	Brock Osweiler	$0.80
21	3QB	Caleb Hanie	$1.38
22	1RB	Willis McGahee	$3.00
23	2RB	Ronnie Hillman	$0.69
24	3RB	Knowshon Moreno	$3.29
25	1FB	Jacob Hester	$0.72
		Offense Total	$67.66
			
Defense			
26	1LCB	Champ Bailey	$10.50
27	2LCB	Chris Harris	$0.56
28	3LCB	2nd Round Draft	$1.00
29	1LDE	Derek Wolfe	$1.04
30	2LDE	Malik Jackson	$0.53
31	1NT	Kevin Vickerson	$2.50
32	2NT	Mitch Unrein	$1.32
33	3NT	Sealver Siliga	$0.48
34	1UT	FA Starting NT	x
35	2UT	1st Round Draft	$2.00
36	1RDE	Elvis Dumervil	$13.62
37	2RDE	Robert Ayers	$2.24
38	1RCB	FA Starting CB	x
39	2RCB	Tony Carter	$1.32
40	3RCB	Omar Bolden	$0.60
41	SOLB	Von Miller	$5.73
42	MLB	Nate Irving	$0.73
43	WOLB	Wesley Woodyard	$3.25
44	LB Res.	Danny Trevathan	$0.51
45	LB Res.	Steven Johnson	$0.48
46	LB Res.	3rd Round Draft	$0.60
47	1SS	Mike Adams	$2.00
48	2SS	David Bruton	$1.50
49	1FS	Rahim Moore	$1.21
50	2FS	Quinton Carter	$0.67
		Defense Total	$54.40
			
		Dead Money	
		Current Total	$1.00
		DJ Williams	$2.08
		Joe Mays	$0.83
		Dead Money Tot.	$3.92

		Special Teams	
51	LS	Aaron Brewer	$0.48
52	K	Matt Prater	$3.31
53	P	B.Colquitt	$1.32
		ST Total	$5.12	
		
			
		NFL Salary Cap	$123.00
		Top 51 Total	$129.83
		True Cap Space	-$6.83 (over)
		2012 Carryover	$14.10
		Remaining 2013	$7.27 (this can be spent FA 2013 or carryover)

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Old 03-09-2013, 11:29 PM   #310
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As you can see from the above table, if the Broncos cut DJ and Joe Mays, I estimate they will still spend ~$130M in 2013. Including re-signing Stokley, Koppen, Vickerson, and Bruton. I also added in the top 3 draft picks, which will be included in the top 51 (for salary cap purposes).

The Broncos are also looking for a starting RCB and starting UT in Free Agency which will probably add ~$4M and ~$2.5M, respectively. That would bring the 2013 Cap Number up from $130M to $136.5M, spending up all of the rollover from 2012. Of course, the Broncos would have to cut back down to the salary cap level in the 2014 offseason (with ZERO rollover).

That is why they are trying to cut Dumervil's pay now...they need to save all the money they can heading into FA in 2014, because some more cuts will have to be made next offseason (Matt Prater?, Jacob Tamme?, Knowshon Moreno?, etc.), just to be able to get under the cap. None of the 2014 FA's (Beadles, Walton, Decker, or Woodyard) will be able to be offered raises unless more players are cut.

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Old 03-09-2013, 11:54 PM   #311
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I would have thought Manning would do what Brady did and offer a pay cut for himself so that they can sign who they need to. He's worth every penny of his contract but he's got the dough, he would like to add another ring or 2. I'll be curious to see if he does that this year or next.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:10 AM   #312
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Dumervil's issues against the run are massively overblown. It's not a great strength of his, but he isn't completely incompetent at it either.
That was a reference to Freeney. I know Doom's struggles are very overblown.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:16 AM   #313
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Let's say the Broncos add a couple mid-level players in Free Agency this year (Terrance Knighton and Antoine Cason) adding up to about $6.5M.

Even if Dumervil goes down to $8M per year (highly unlikely), the Broncos would roll into 2014 spending at the Salary Cap already (~$123M)...with Beadles, Walton, Decker, and Chris Harris going in to Free Agency...and possibly Von Miller needing a raise.

To be able to keep those players in 2014, Peyton Manning is going to have to take a paycut, that's all there is to it. Either he wants to win a Superbowl or he doesn't. One thing is clear, the Broncos don't need to be gutting their roster of young talent the next couple years just to keep Manning on at $20M. No other QB's who want to win do that. Once Manning is gone, the Broncos will have to start from scratch in the draft all over again.

Let me just say that paying Prater close to $4M per year was a very bad contract for the Broncos. Big mistake. They need to draft a kicker and cut Prater as quick as they can ($2.7M cap hit). He's one of the major reasons the Broncos lost in the playoffs anyway.
You are blaming Prater for not making a 50 yard kick in subfreezing temperature? Place the blame where it should. On the defense and the usual stellar playoff performance of PM.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:18 AM   #314
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Von's next contract will be staggering..and he'll probably be worth every penny...$14Mill rollover? Is that money they can use any year going forward?
Nope... you could only do it this year. You can't rollover money next season. Have to look for the piece where I read that.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:41 PM   #315
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Nope... you could only do it this year. You can't rollover money next season. Have to look for the piece where I read that.
That's not really technically correct because in effect:

Standard 2013 cap $123.9m
Broncos cap rollover $14m

If the Broncos only spend $123.9m in 2013 they can still roll over $14m into 2014 if they so choose.
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Dumerville is held more than any other player in the league, and for whatever reason, virtually never gets the call.
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According to spotrac, we would have 4.869 mm in dead money if we cut Doom. It would free up $8.754 mm of cap space.
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Dumerville is held more than any other player in the league, and for whatever reason, virtually never gets the call.
Would love to know how many hurries/pressures he had too. How many times did he get the QB hurry a throw, or flush the QB out of the pocket for someone else to clean up, or force bad throws. Just because he had 11 sacks doesn't mean he only impacted 11 plays.
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Broncos | Not much talk with Elvis Dumervil
Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:25:32 -0700

The Denver Broncos have not been in contact with Marty Magid, agent for DE Elvis Dumervil, since Magid sent the team a contract restructuring proposal Friday, March 8.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/gnews.php?i...#ixzz2NBRV62Mu

Since the flurry of contract proposals we've heard more abour Revis and SJ than Doom this weekend, maybe thats telling.
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Would love to know how many hurries/pressures he had too. How many times did he get the QB hurry a throw, or flush the QB out of the pocket for someone else to clean up, or force bad throws. Just because he had 11 sacks doesn't mean he only impacted 11 plays.
He had 60 combined pressures, 10th in the league.

Von had 86, tied for 1st.
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Which would be idiotic beyond belief and should cause fans to riot.

This team has a 2 year window with Peyton....you spend the $$ to get it done.
Word.
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That would be a pretty ruthless move by Elway. Not many multiple pro-bowlers get cut unless they're in the twilight of their careers and Elvis certainly isn't.

I can see the Broncos logic on one hand from a financial viewpoint but how do you begin to replace a guy who gives you a 14 sack average over the last 3 seasons he made the field for us

To me you make moves like this when you're rebuilding, you never make a move like this when you're supposed to be challenging.
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I don't know... Maybe it's me. But Dumerville pretty much disappears in the big games.
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I don't know... Maybe it's me. But Dumerville pretty much disappears in the big games.
The game that, at the time, seemed to have the power to determine who would win the AFCW? Remember that one?
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Dumervil struggles against the run, but I think he still brings enough to warrant his contract. Could see if Denver would want to get a cheaper option though

Just from the quotes we've heard from his agent, sounds like they're not willing to take less money but even still Denver could even the yearly amounts ($11.6 million a season cap hit per year), and save about $2 million.
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