Broncos want Doom to restructure - Page 12 - The Orange Mane

Heyneck · 03-09-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by broncswin

I believe he is considered a specialist in the pass rush, but an above average run stopper.

Yup... you are right. He is a specialist, but one that is on the field all the downs. Does he suck at stopping the run! You bet!!! But he was paid the big buck to be a headhunter, not the other way around.

broncswin · 03-09-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncosfanGuy

fwiw, Denver's D was 2nd in the NFL last year in yards given up per rushing attempt. What the pass rush loses in losing Doom is far more detrimental than what the run defense gains with his loss, imo.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/2012/opp.htm

Agree with this 100%... I am just stating the fact that doom disappears in run stopping department...I want him back for sure. Just at the contract he is worth(stated above).

Heyneck · 03-09-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by broncswin

I agree, because KC will go hard after him. So we have to do everything in our power to bring a sensible, strong offer to the table.

More afraid of a team like the Pats getting his hands on him. Imagine him playing in a hybrid 4-3, 3-4 defense. Would never be off the field, and would solve their long time search for a pass rush.

broncswin · 03-09-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck

You sir are delusional if you think Doom would stay for that amount of money.

We'll see I guess...I hope one of us is wrong and not me..

broncswin · 03-09-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck

More afraid of a team like the Pats getting his hands on him. Imagine him playing in a hybrid 4-3, 3-4 defense. Would never be off the field, and would solve their long time search for a pass rush.

Ya...SCARY

Heyneck · 03-09-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by broncswin

Agree with this 100%... I am just stating the fact that doom disappears in run stopping department...I want him back for sure. Just at the contract he is worth(stated above).

Dwight Freeney was once the highest paid defensive player. That gave him that contract knowing he sucked balls against the run. But teams pay the big buck for headhunters. Just look up the franchise # for DE this year. You think Doom wouldn't get that from other teams? If we low ball him, he is out.

Heyneck · 03-09-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by broncswin

We'll see I guess...I hope one of us is wrong and not me..

all good! same goes for me!

CEH · 03-09-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by broncswin

Yes...just because we sit in nickle 65% of the time, doesn't mean the opposition throws at that high %....so yes even in nickle he is out there to run stop and he struggles at it....don't get me wrong, I love doom and don't want to lose him. I figure giving him a 3yr deal at 21 mill with a 3 mill signing bonus should get it done. Thus is essentially 8mill/yr...he is worth that.

But when you factor in the offensive output per game by our offense (playing with a lead) that 65% may be 60% passing, 5% runs and of that 5% are all the runs targeted at Elvis. Elvis knows his contract is front and center for restructure so this is not a suprise but it would be real hard for me if I'm Elvis to accept a 20% pay cut ($30 MM vs $24 MM over the next 3 years) when I just came off an 11 sack season and the league needs pass rushers.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next couple days.

Agamemnon · 03-09-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck

Yup... you are right. He is a specialist, but one that is on the field all the downs. Does he suck at stopping the run! You bet!!! But he was paid the big buck to be a headhunter, not the other way around.

Dumervil's issues against the run are massively overblown. It's not a great strength of his, but he isn't completely incompetent at it either.

DBroncos4life · 03-09-2013, 12:00 PM

Broncos | Exchange proposals with Elvis Dumervil's agent
Sat, 09 Mar 2013 10:55:40 -0800

Marty Magid, agent for Denver Broncos DE Elvis Dumervil, said he has exchange restructured contract proposals with the Broncos and is waiting to hear back from the team. Dumervil is hoping for a resolution sooner rather than later.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz2N4gUBv00

TonyR · 03-09-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Broncos | Exchange proposals with Elvis Dumervil's agent...

^ That actually sounds kind of promising. Maybe I'll end up being wrong about Doom being a goner. Hope so!

BroncoMan4ever · 03-09-2013, 12:44 PM

We are obviously looking to increase cap room yet DUI Williams and Joe Mays are still employed. Gotta be a few million in savings if we dumped those 2 now.

R-Mac · 03-09-2013, 12:49 PM

If you paid attention to Dumervil this past season, he did not struggle at all against the run. He led our defensive linemen in snaps and played with good leverage as a run defender. It's just easy to say he gets destroyed against run because you don't pay attention and then assume things based on his size.

Here you can listen to Tom Nalen and Mark Schlereth discussing Dumervil's contract situation and both compliment Dumervil's performance against the run this past season.

http://stationcaster.com/player_skin...=737&f=1164581

Jack Del Rio also praised Dumervil's run defense.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...ayed-by-denver

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"Elvis and Von have both embraced playing with the kind of technique we need them to play with to hold up against the direct run at them," Del Rio said. "You know people are going to do it. They're both guys that despite their size, they play with great leverage and technique, which allows them to play against bigger guys."

Requiem · 03-09-2013, 01:11 PM

If we cut Dumervil how much does the team save?

Broncojef · 03-09-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

If we cut Dumervil how much does the team save?

I read we are on the hook for roughly $4Mill and his normal cap cost would be about $12Mill so an $8Mill savings

...wheres our capologist?

pricejj · 03-09-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

We are obviously looking to increase cap room yet DUI Williams and Joe Mays are still employed. Gotta be a few million in savings if we dumped those 2 now.

Why wouldn't the Broncos have cut Mays and DJ already...at least to give them a chance to sign somewhere at the start of free agency?

SpringStein · 03-09-2013, 01:59 PM

According to spotrac, we would have 4.869 mm in dead money if we cut Doom. It would free up $8.754 mm of cap space.

pricejj · 03-09-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncojef

I read we are on the hook for roughly $4Mill and his normal cap cost would be about $12Mill so an $8Mill savings

...wheres our capologist?

Dumervil's cap hit is $13.6M, if the Broncos cut him, there is $4.9M in dead money...giving the Broncos an extra $8.7M in FA.

They would have to sign his replacement for at least $5M.

NFLBRONCO · 03-09-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SpringStein

According to spotrac, we would have 4.869 mm in dead money if we cut Doom. It would free up $8.754 mm of cap space.

Thanks my friend. I hope we don't cut Doom. James Harrison cut; Boldin and Dumervil likely to follow IAOFM

extralife · 03-09-2013, 03:45 PM

If we cut him it won't be a cap move, it'll be a money move. Don't expect us to use that extra cap space.

Broncojef · 03-09-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife

If we cut him it won't be a cap move, it'll be a money move. Don't expect us to use that extra cap space.

Thats one move I don't think anyone would understand. Elway took us from a 4-12 team to 13-3 and competing for the title in one year. Every move he made in free agency and additions were a huge success. If he feels the need to improve Doom's contract or move him I'm down with it so long as he keeps building the team. Sitting on cap space with Manning's window closing would be stupid.

rugbythug · 03-09-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncojef

Thats one move I don't think anyone would understand. Elway took us from a 4-12 team to 13-3 and competing for the title in one year. Every move he made in free agency and additions were a huge success. If he feels the need to improve Doom's contract or move him I'm down with it so long as he keeps building the team. Sitting on cap space with Manning's window closing would be stupid.

2 years

Rascal · 03-09-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife

If we cut him it won't be a cap move, it'll be a money move. Don't expect us to use that extra cap space.

Which would be idiotic beyond belief and should cause fans to riot.

This team has a 2 year window with Peyton....you spend the $$ to get it done.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 03-09-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rugbythug

2 years

With the lockout only one full offseason.

pricejj · 03-09-2013, 04:59 PM

Let's say the Broncos add a couple mid-level players in Free Agency this year (Terrance Knighton and Antoine Cason) adding up to about $6.5M.

Even if Dumervil goes down to $8M per year (highly unlikely), the Broncos would roll into 2014 spending at the Salary Cap already (~$123M)...with Beadles, Walton, Decker, and Chris Harris going in to Free Agency...and possibly Von Miller needing a raise.

To be able to keep those players in 2014, Peyton Manning is going to have to take a paycut, that's all there is to it. Either he wants to win a Superbowl or he doesn't. One thing is clear, the Broncos don't need to be gutting their roster of young talent the next couple years just to keep Manning on at $20M. No other QB's who want to win do that. Once Manning is gone, the Broncos will have to start from scratch in the draft all over again.

Let me just say that paying Prater close to $4M per year was a very bad contract for the Broncos. Big mistake. They need to draft a kicker and cut Prater as quick as they can ($2.7M cap hit). He's one of the major reasons the Broncos lost in the playoffs anyway.

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03-09-2013, 12:00 PM	#285
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,609	Broncos \| Exchange proposals with Elvis Dumervil's agent Sat, 09 Mar 2013 10:55:40 -0800 Marty Magid, agent for Denver Broncos DE Elvis Dumervil, said he has exchange restructured contract proposals with the Broncos and is waiting to hear back from the team. Dumervil is hoping for a resolution sooner rather than later. Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz2N4gUBv00

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BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,576 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	We are obviously looking to increase cap room yet DUI Williams and Joe Mays are still employed. Gotta be a few million in savings if we dumped those 2 now.

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Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,612 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	If we cut Dumervil how much does the team save?

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SpringStein Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Monument, CO Posts: 2,733	According to spotrac, we would have 4.869 mm in dead money if we cut Doom. It would free up $8.754 mm of cap space.

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extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,921	If we cut him it won't be a cap move, it'll be a money move. Don't expect us to use that extra cap space.

03-09-2013, 04:59 PM	#300
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,191	Let's say the Broncos add a couple mid-level players in Free Agency this year (Terrance Knighton and Antoine Cason) adding up to about $6.5M. Even if Dumervil goes down to $8M per year (highly unlikely), the Broncos would roll into 2014 spending at the Salary Cap already (~$123M)...with Beadles, Walton, Decker, and Chris Harris going in to Free Agency...and possibly Von Miller needing a raise. To be able to keep those players in 2014, Peyton Manning is going to have to take a paycut, that's all there is to it. Either he wants to win a Superbowl or he doesn't. One thing is clear, the Broncos don't need to be gutting their roster of young talent the next couple years just to keep Manning on at $20M. No other QB's who want to win do that. Once Manning is gone, the Broncos will have to start from scratch in the draft all over again. Let me just say that paying Prater close to $4M per year was a very bad contract for the Broncos. Big mistake. They need to draft a kicker and cut Prater as quick as they can ($2.7M cap hit). He's one of the major reasons the Broncos lost in the playoffs anyway.