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Old 03-03-2013, 12:53 AM   #51
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Already don't use that garbage. Subscribe to Netflix, NHL gamecenter, and rent movies from iTunes on my Apple TV.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:50 AM   #52
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Drek, same questions as DrunkyMonkey .... sports and news, NFL Network, MSNBC, etc. ?? As you know, Roku offers a long list of news channels, Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC News, MSNBC, etc ... but it's a hodgepodge of patchwork content. Everything's a day or two or a week old, some shows are even audio only.

Our setup sounds identical to yours, Roku XS with Netflix, Hulu Plus and Amazon Instant Video free with Prime (though HD versions still cost us extra). I'm okay with networks delaying first-run TV shows, they usually release them for streaming after midnight the night they air. But news just doesn't work well for me, I need it live.
I get all my news from PBS, which you can get live via an antenna. My interest in Fox News (GOP PR Network), MSNBC (Attempting to fill the void opposite Fox, but is full of faux-intellectual caricatures with the exception of Maddow, and milfy Mika but then Joe steps all over her anyhow), and CNN (are they even trying anymore? They can't be right? This has to be a joke) has hit rock bottom, so not having that available doesn't bother me in the least.

I find that PBS' lineup is more balanced and give a more honest world view. Other than that I typically use Hulu to watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report for a bit of pseudo-news comedy that keeps me a bit less cynical.

As for sports - MLB.tv and it's NHL and NBA counterparts obviously fill a huge part of the void. I've always had pretty good luck with the local CBS and Fox affiliates putting up worthwhile games on Sundays for the NFL, but if I was really desperate you can get NFL Sunday Ticket type programming on PS3, you just have to pay full freight, or have a friend who wants it for their direcTV and would go half/half with you.



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Anybody interested In Internet TV, note most of the Netflix catalog is still available by mail only. And by "most" I mean when I checked my Top 10 or so favorite films, zero. Not a single one available.
I personally have a rather large (>300 titles) Blu-Ray collection because 1. Blu-Ray is likely to be the final physical storage media we ever use before going cloud and 2. Blu-Ray 1080p is basically uncompressed audio and video in optimal quality making it the peak in current A/V content, and it will likely remain there for some time as the connection speeds required on both ends to stream a 50GB file in the span of 2-2.5 hours is still quite some distance off.

However, Netflix' disc based service is something I've held onto because I do see value in their expanded catalog, I don't see why so many people are dumping it myself. Also, the on-demand catalog isn't meant to provide you with a wholistic movie library at this point. I view it more as the chance to branch my tastes out and see what new content I can discover, be that movie or series. Also, if House of Cards is anything to go by in terms of what their original content will be like then you can sign me up indefinitely. Fincher and Spacey hit a home run for them with that, and I can't imagine the return of Arrested Development will disappoint either.

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Hulu Plus has virtually no movies, but the sheer volume of it's TV content is staggering. Example: you can watch every SNL ever. Every.single.one starting with the George Carlin premiere. CBS finally signed on with Hulu last month, so now they have all 4 broadcast networks. There's such a massive quantities of programming, Hulu slices and dices them into over 100 different channel groupings to make them easier to find (navigation can be a problem), like the 'Stephen J. Cannel Channel.'
I find the best way to manage Hulu is to set up favorites for shows you will watch weekly, either via the on-screen app or through the website (even easier).

Also, they do have an extensive collection of movies, just not the most mainstream of titles. Right now it's the exclusive home for the Criterion Collection, which is pretty ****ing awesome to have as a streaming library. The depth of their lineup is incredible as well. I'm something of a food geek and as a result have been on a binge of Avec Eric episodes, a two season long travel/cooking show hosted by Eric Ripert, three star Michelin chef of Le Bernardin. He's hands down the most accomplished chef de cuisine to ever do such a show that I know of and there on Hulu are ~40 episodes I would have never known existed without it.

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Downsides to Internet TV: In addition to no live programming, hence no worthwhile news or sports, the DVR problem nags me. So easy with cable or satellite, a HUGE plus. Can't really use a DVR with this, you could but the hassles would kill it.
Internet TV is primarily focused towards on-demand viewing so most of it doesn't need DVR, it's effectively DVR via the cloud. For your over the air networks though you could easily get a Windows PC set up with a capture card to be your DVR. I currently have an old desktop turned into a home theater PC via Media Portal myself, works quite well and you can even have on-screen channel guides.

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Couple things if you're shopping for a box: 1) Virtually every TV manufactured today has the functions of Roku-type boxes built-in, been that way the past couple years, and 2) Because of an ongoing (and ongoing) technical dispute with Google, Roku boxes still does not carry YouTube's Channel.
Just as a word of warning, most "smart" TVs as they're called feature rather low tier versions of the various apps (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc.) with very infrequent updates. They aren't nearly as functional or user-friendly as the Roku, PS3, or X360 interfaces, which also get constant updates.

Also, this fall we might see the first big crack put in the cable/satellite industry's armor as both the new PS4 and next Xbox systems are being built for on-demand content streaming whereas their predecessors just had it tacked on mid-cycle. The console arms race is spilling over into on-demand content and as a result we'll see very lucrative deals struck to get as much content on the consoles as either company can.
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That's what I use for Bronco games when they are not shown in my market. For the most part it works but the quality is sup par. I don't really view that as am equal alternative. I would have a hard time inviting my friends over to watch something that I streamed from there.
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I have an HTPC. Hard to watch sports around the kids with the fantastic array of porn ads you'll probably see while trying to stream from a place like firstrow though.

Not worth the risk or hassle at this point, for me at least.
You build the HTPC yourself?
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That's what I use for Bronco games when they are not shown in my market. For the most part it works but the quality is sup par. I don't really view that as am equal alternative. I would have a hard time inviting my friends over to watch something that I streamed from there.
well, I don't have any friends to invite over so they work fine.
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Eventually it will all be internet based. I am thinking about dumping directv and keeping netflix, amazon prime and Vudu.


Just think, all the money saved you could attend a gay rally in Frisco.

To the topic: I don't watch a ton of tv. I'd rather be out doing stuff than watching endless junk on cable. That's why HTPC, Netflix, antenna, etc is more than plenty for me.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:16 PM   #57
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Does anyone else find it near impossible to use Netflix on a Friday or Saturday night? "Loading, please wait" and HD content getting reduced to crap quality are the two things stopping me from dropping cable. I supposedly have the fastest internet FIOS has to offer.
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Does anyone else find it near impossible to use Netflix on a Friday or Saturday night? "Loading, please wait" and HD content getting reduced to crap quality are the two things stopping me from dropping cable. I supposedly have the fastest internet FIOS has to offer.
I never have much problem with netflix however NBC News can be hit and miss.
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:30 PM   #59
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I hear you. I finally started converting music over in December.
I have a huge music collection, something like 20,000 MP3's. I spent weeks ripping my CD's.

Now I don't even listen to them. I just log into Grooveshark and listen to whatever I want for free. Not just channels with music types, but you can actually build your own custom playlists with all the songs on there. People can share playlists. Awesome website.
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Anyone else use NFL GamePass? I started using it 2 seasons ago and I absolutely love it. The quality of the games are amazing and never experience lag/buffering problems. It is quite pricey, but they have a team only package which is a tad bit cheaper than the full season.

The downside to GamePass is it is only available to people outside the United States but you can use a VPN service to get around it.

I've looked into streaming these games, but nothing really worked out the way I wanted it to. If I make it happen, it would only be available to a few select people.
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Anyone else use NFL GamePass? I started using it 2 seasons ago and I absolutely love it. The quality of the games are amazing and never experience lag/buffering problems. It is quite pricey, but they have a team only package which is a tad bit cheaper than the full season.

The downside to GamePass is it is only available to people outside the United States but you can use a VPN service to get around it.

I've looked into streaming these games, but nothing really worked out the way I wanted it to. If I make it happen, it would only be available to a few select people.
NFL Ticket is available through PS3 and I would assume through PS4 in the future. Also can watch NHL games through gamecenter. Plus I can go back and watch old games. So with that, cable/directv is worthless to me.

As Drek mentioned, HULUPlus and Netflix are getting more content for shows.
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Does anyone else find it near impossible to use Netflix on a Friday or Saturday night? "Loading, please wait" and HD content getting reduced to crap quality are the two things stopping me from dropping cable. I supposedly have the fastest internet FIOS has to offer.
FIOS is still built on DSL's hub structure. You're likely seeing peak usage in your neighborhood at those times and as a result the hubs in your area are getting overcrowded.

Make sure your viewer for Netflix is hard wired if you want optimal quality, and don't have any other secondary bandwidth hogs running (torrent, downloads, etc.).

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As Drek mentioned, HULUPlus and Netflix are getting more content for shows.
So is Amazon Prime. They signed a deal to be the only online streamer of FX's popular show Justified a little while back and just recently became the first streaming partner for the Scripps family of networks (FoodTV, Travel Channel, HGTV, etc.).

Amazon is starting to push into the subscription based streaming market with a bit more force now. That will only spark a bidding war between them and Netflix. As their memberships go up the major networks will be forced to respond by improving Hulu Plus' lineup. It's a slippery slope they're already set down.

Hulu Plus adding CBS, despite it being only old programming for the most part, is already a sign of this. CBS has been notoriously anti-streaming/internet tech. For them to jump in now shows a changing of philosophies in the industry. With Comcast's recent finalized buyout of NBC from GE it initially seemed like a threat to Hulu's continued existence. Instead Comcast's CEO talked extensively about needing to move towards an expanded internet based service.

It makes sense for them. If they are a dominant ISP (which they already are) it is far cheaper to run a single physical service to consumers (internet service) and move them into cloud based services for everything else.
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LOS ANGELES (AP) Some people have had it with TV. They've had enough of the 100-plus channel universe. They don't like timing their lives around network show schedules. They're tired of $100-plus monthly bills.

A growing number of them have stopped paying for cable and satellite TV service, and don't even use an antenna to get free signals over the air. These people are watching shows and movies on the Internet, sometimes via cellphone connections. Last month, the Nielsen Co. started labeling people in this group "Zero TV" households, because they fall outside the traditional definition of a TV home. There are 5 million of these residences in the U.S., up from 2 million in 2007.

Winning back the Zero TV crowd will be one of the many issues broadcasters discuss at their national meeting, called the NAB Show, taking place this week in Las Vegas.

While show creators and networks make money from this group's viewing habits through deals with online video providers and from advertising on their own websites and apps, broadcasters only get paid when they relay such programming in traditional ways. Unless broadcasters can adapt to modern platforms, their revenue from Zero TV viewers will be zero.

"Getting broadcast programing on all the gizmos and gadgets like tablets, the backseats of cars, and laptops is hugely important," says Dennis Wharton, a spokesman for the National Association of Broadcasters.


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LOS ANGELES (AP) Some people have had it with TV. They've had enough of the 100-plus channel universe. They don't like timing their lives around network show schedules. They're tired of $100-plus monthly bills.

A growing number of them have stopped paying for cable and satellite TV service, and don't even use an antenna to get free signals over the air. These people are watching shows and movies on the Internet, sometimes via cellphone connections. Last month, the Nielsen Co. started labeling people in this group "Zero TV" households, because they fall outside the traditional definition of a TV home. There are 5 million of these residences in the U.S., up from 2 million in 2007.

Winning back the Zero TV crowd will be one of the many issues broadcasters discuss at their national meeting, called the NAB Show, taking place this week in Las Vegas.

While show creators and networks make money from this group's viewing habits through deals with online video providers and from advertising on their own websites and apps, broadcasters only get paid when they relay such programming in traditional ways. Unless broadcasters can adapt to modern platforms, their revenue from Zero TV viewers will be zero.

"Getting broadcast programing on all the gizmos and gadgets like tablets, the backseats of cars, and laptops is hugely important," says Dennis Wharton, a spokesman for the National Association of Broadcasters.


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All this is BS for the masses...........internet bandwidth isn't up to par for this in most of the country and even if it was data caps would kill you. Don't have a data cap, just wait you will..........
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Someday will be within 5 years. The buzzards are already circling. Streaming total content television from your phone, tablet, computer and flat panel will be the norm soon. Satellite TV will basically be CD like obsolete by 2020. It will also ensure that the remaining 1 hour of work that actually gets done in an office will be down to about 7 minutes.
Ok I have a question. I currently get my internet via my tablet which I use as a mobile hotspot. Using Hulu and Netflix is not an option since I have an 8 gig data package. My Direct TV bill just went up another 6 bucks. It's now 85 bucks...To get unlimited data so I can go to Netflix/Hulu is gonna cost me 50 bucks a month....basically the same cost right?
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This sounds like the guy on an AV forum I frequent arguing about 4k television content which will only be available over internet if you have an 18-20mb connection to stream or obviously slower to download and wait.

WTF is gonna wait for tv.

How many have an 18-20mb connection.....percentage wise ?

How many have data caps ?

With internet usage going up how long before everyone has a data cap after every ISP is seeing dolar signs...................?
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Ok I have a question. I currently get my internet via my tablet which I use as a mobile hotspot. Using Hulu and Netflix is not an option since I have an 8 gig data package. My Direct TV bill just went up another 6 bucks. It's now 85 bucks...To get unlimited data so I can go to Netflix/Hulu is gonna cost me 50 bucks a month....basically the same cost right?
Sounds like it. Now what are you going to get with that extra unlimited Data? What are you losing with the cable package?

I spend $50 a month on Internet, $17 a month on Netflix, $9 a month on Hulu and ZERO $ on cable. I could not be happier.
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Sounds like it. Now what are you going to get with that extra unlimited Data? What are you losing with the cable package?

I spend $50 a month on Internet, $17 a month on Netflix, $9 a month on Hulu and ZERO $ on cable. I could not be happier.
At this point it sounds like a wash for me...your bill is 76 bucks mine is 85. I wouldn't mind trying it your way but to only save 10 bucks for me right now isn't worth it. If it works for you then go for it....but I'm putting Direct TV on notice to stop w the annual rate hikes. This is the first year since they had it I didn't do the Sunday ticket...I do love the streaming music channels on Direct TV....Hair Nation is the bomb!

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All this is BS for the masses...........internet bandwidth isn't up to par for this in most of the country and even if it was data caps would kill you. Don't have a data cap, just wait you will..........
Data caps aren't going to happen. ISPs have been threatening them for years. About two years ago a bunch of them started to try rolling out enforcement of it and quickly pulled back.

My data is technically "capped" at 250GB per month, my router logs my usage in hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly units. One month I used 998GB of data and my ISP didn't say a peep.
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At this point it sounds like a wash for me...your bill is 76 bucks mine is 85. I wouldn't mind trying it your way but to only save 10 bucks for me right now isn't worth it. If it works for you then go for it....but I'm putting Direct TV on notice to stop w the annual rate hikes. This is the first year since they had it I didn't do the Sunday ticket...I do love the streaming music channels on Direct TV....Hair Nation is the bomb!
I find that i get much more use out of my high speed internet on my computer and Ipad than anything cable tv would give me.

You are paying $85 for cable, what are you spending on internet?
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I have 4 months of my Comcast contract left. 150 per month for a ton of movie and sport channels and very fast Internet. I can't wait till that bill gets cut in 1/3rd.. F cable.
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****ing Game of Thrones just delayed my departure from FIOS TV. The wife will throw a fit if we don't get True Blood after that so I am stuck until the summer.
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Data caps aren't going to happen. ISPs have been threatening them for years. About two years ago a bunch of them started to try rolling out enforcement of it and quickly pulled back.

My data is technically "capped" at 250GB per month, my router logs my usage in hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly units. One month I used 998GB of data and my ISP didn't say a peep.

Keep thinking that...........they know where the money is and just cause ATT isn't doing it don't mean much.

The majority of ISPs have data caps and you guys know it.
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Keep thinking that...........they know where the money is and just cause ATT isn't doing it don't mean much.

The majority of ISPs have data caps and you guys know it.
I agree...Comcast has a data cap of 250 GB but is currently " suspended" , meaning they can start to enforce it whenever they want . And as the population moves to streaming and continues away from cable you can bet the cap will be enforced more. They will move to a variable cap and price structure on the internet as their cable revenue declines. No way they are not going to get their "share " of the pie, and the profit from the internet only services will actually be higher than the cable side. They won't be responsible for picture quality etc, and only need to maintain the internet feed to your modem. No need to supply you with a hardware settop, or maintain it, and no need to pay the content providers to carry the signals.

It actually will be to their benefit to embrace it, but right now a number of feeds like HBO is limited to cable/Satellite so they can hold the consumer hostage. Satellite will maintain a presence as long as high speed internet/cable is not available ( most rural areas) but urban areas definitely are going to see a change in this in the next 5-10 years. Older customers ( non tech savvy) will be the core of cables user base for a while, but their limited disposable incomes and limited interests will eventually also limit cables long term viability.
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I find that i get much more use out of my high speed internet on my computer and Ipad than anything cable tv would give me.

You are paying $85 for cable, what are you spending on internet?
I'm paying 95/ month for Verizon which is 8 gig data, unlimited talk and text and that's w/ a cellphone and Samsung tablet. I do not have a landline or internet package from phone company
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