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Old 03-10-2013, 09:13 PM   #251
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Pass rushing DE's get paid. Run stuffing DE's do not.

There is not reason the team is in a financial plight because of Doom's contract. It becomes more and more team friendly after this year.

If you think a guy like Ayers or Wolfe can complimate Von as well as Dumervil, then well, wow lol. Just bring in a broken down Freeney and an injury riddled Revis. amirite?? lol.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:25 PM   #252
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So about this blue chip prospect... who is he?
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:18 PM   #253
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You do ****ing realzie that AP is the exception to the rule, not the norm? Most players coming off a serious knee injury are never the same....you do remember a guy named Terrell Davis?

If the team is about winning now, you don't lose a premium pass rusher like Doom, for a CB.

Sorry, Revis is not the best CB in the NFL. He is an unknown quantity due to his injury. Sorry you bought into the hype of what he's done in the past, with no assurance to what he'll do in the future.
I mostly agree that I'd rather have Doom stay, but you keep bringing up knee injuries from players in the 1990's, and ACLs are like root canals these days. its not just AD. Welker too, among others
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:22 PM   #254
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Shouldn't just dismiss a major knee injury. Attempt to wash it over all you want. It siginificantly reduses the trade value of Revis. I just hope the Broncos aren't stupid enough to pay a preimum to take on such a huge risk.

There isn't a medical professional out there that would gaurentee Revis' full recovery to the player he once was. Just because a guy like AP can come back doesn't mean it's common practice.
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:24 PM   #255
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Shouldn't just dismiss a major knee injury. Attempt to wash it over all you want. It siginificantly reduses the trade value of Revis. I just hope the Broncos aren't stupid enough to pay a preimum to take on such a huge risk.

There isn't a medical professional out there that would gaurentee Revis' full recovery to the player he once was. Just because a guy like AP can come back doesn't mean it's common practice.
I'm not washing it over, im saying don't use guys from the 1990's as your examples.

I agree, i'd rather not trade for Revis. If we cut doom and turned him into three pieces that can contribute, I could be talked into that.
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:34 PM   #256
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I'm not washing it over, im saying don't use guys from the 1990's as your examples.

I agree, i'd rather not trade for Revis. If we cut doom and turned him into three pieces that can contribute, I could be talked into that.
We'll disagree all day then.

I will never agree that you can take a guy with the production of a Dumervil and somehow turn him into 3 equally significant pieces. That kind of fairy land just doesn't happen.

Players just don't miraculously recover from knee injuries either. You are being nothing but short sided in your view on that front.
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:51 PM   #257
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I mostly agree that I'd rather have Doom stay, but you keep bringing up knee injuries from players in the 1990's, and ACLs are like root canals these days. its not just AD. Welker too, among others
Welker took a year to get back to being Welker
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:17 PM   #258
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I disagree with most people here who are saying that Von's success is determined purely by Doom.

Von is and edge rusher who consistently wins one-on-one battles
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:19 PM   #259
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I disagree with most people here who are saying that Von's success is determined purely by Doom.
that's great and all, but no one said that.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:22 PM   #260
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Not "purely".... but Von will be just as effective without Doom.
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:16 AM   #261
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Not "purely".... but Von will be just as effective without Doom.
Von is not getting 20 sacks with Ayers on the other side. It ain't happening.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:41 AM   #262
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There are players on the market that can take Doom's place. Freeney, Osi, or others.
Lolz. Add them both together and you have close to as many tackles as Doom and one less sack.
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Von is not getting 20 sacks with Ayers on the other side. It ain't happening.
Imagine what it'd look like with Old Jebediah Freeney over there.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:45 AM   #264
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Imagine what it'd look like with Old Jebediah Freeney over there.
Yup... Other teams see Freeney... they run right at him.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:13 PM   #265
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Could it be the Broncos that made the offer? Doom out, Revis in?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ble-for-revis/
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:16 PM   #266
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Could it be the Broncos that made the offer? Doom out, Revis in?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ble-for-revis/
not going to happen. we are not going to pay Revis 15/year while PM is still on the books. That would be like 30% of the cap room right there.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:20 PM   #267
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not going to happen. we are not going to pay Revis 15/year while Champ is still on the books. That would be like 20% of the cap room right there.
Fixed.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:27 PM   #268
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not going to happen. we are not going to pay Revis 15/year while PM is still on the books. That would be like 30% of the cap room right there.
Probably not, but the timing is interesting. And remember they also cut D.J. Williams and Caleb Hanie, and they will probably also cut Joe Mays.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:32 PM   #269
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If it's Dumerville and a third, pull the trigger. Way better than just cutting him!
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:36 PM   #270
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If it's Dumerville and a third, pull the trigger. Way better than just cutting him!
Dumervil's contract almost certainly makes that a no-go. In fact, if they cut Dumervil I think it's safe to assume his contract is the reason. Dumervil would have nice trade value if his contract and cap number were half or 2/3 of what they currently are (a 2nd and a 4th would be my guess).
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So Elvis hasn't been cut or traded, correct?
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So Elvis hasn't been cut or traded, correct?
Not yet, but the reports look grim.
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Fixed.
Actually, if theoretically Manning makes 20 mil an Revis 15mil, that would add to 35 mil. That would be roughly 30% of the cap. If you want more precise figures, 30% of the cap roughly equates to 36.9 mil.
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Probably not, but the timing is interesting. And remember they also cut D.J. Williams and Caleb Hanie, and they will probably also cut Joe Mays.
DJ, Mays and Hanie were expected cuts. All indications outside of ICB are that we are not interested.
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Not yet, but the reports look grim.
okay, so there's hope. I saw the appreciation thread thread and i was like wtf.
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