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Old 04-06-2013, 03:38 PM   #1701
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1st Chance Warmack OG
2nd Tyrann Mathieu CB
3rd Logan Ryan CB
4th Oday Aboushi OT
4th Jelani Jenkins OLB
5th Devin Taylor DE
6th David Bass DE
6th Denard Robinson ATH
7th Logan Ryan P
7th Caleb Sturgis K

Not bad, I should have at least 4 NFL starters in there. So what if two of them play SP teams
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He tested well in the bench and vertical. The agility drills, not so much. That's huge when projecting a player to play in space, especially as a 34 OLB as the Texans have. He chose not to try and do better at his Pro Day. His weight is also a huge concern, he played at 230 lbs, possibly less. That's not going to work in a 34 defense, so it's likely he'll become even less agile as he puts on weight, since that's how that generally works. And he never played against anyone better than a Joe Blow in a weak conference.
Trevardo came into UCONN at 210 pounds, and played up to 230. Now he weighs 241. I am not concerned about his weight, and he ran a very fast 40 time with a bad ankle, not concerned about his speed if he puts on another 10 pounds.
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Patriots picks

2-41 Sylvester Williams DT
2-59 DJ Swearinger S
3-91 Stedman Bailey WR
4-105 BW Webb CB
7-218 Luke Marquardt OT
7-235 Brandon Kaufman WR

One of the worst years I can ever remember for lack of Patriots draft selections, originally only had 5 picks, so traded out of the 1st to 2-41 to pick up the early 4th rounder.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:18 AM   #1705
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2-41 Sylvester Williams DT
2-59 DJ Swearinger S
3-91 Stedman Bailey WR
4-105 BW Webb CB
7-218 Luke Marquardt OT
7-235 Brandon Kaufman WR

One of the worst years I can ever remember for lack of Patriots draft selections, originally only had 5 picks, so traded out of the 1st to 2-41 to pick up the early 4th rounder.
For not selecting until the 41st pick, that's a surprisingly good draft!

Your first four picks would all be first-year contributors, and Marquardt is a very intriguing developmental prospect (I don't like the Kaufman pick as much, but am not going to quibble with a late 7th rounder).

Nice job, eddie mac -- yet again, you are a worthy mock draft opponent.
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Pittsburgh Steelers picks (pre-UDFA round):

1-15 (015): Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2-18 (048): Barrett Jones, OC/OG/OT, Alabama
4-15 (112): Earl Wolff, S, North Carolina State
4-18 (115): Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
4-29 (126): Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas
5-17 (150): Josh Boyce, WR, TCU
6-13 (181): Ty Powell, OLB, Harding
6-38 (206): Zac Stacy, RB, Vanderbilt
7-17 (223): Miguel Maysonet, RB, Stony Brook
7-20 (226): Mark Harrison, WR, Rutgers

I had one major trade-down in this draft... essentially, I gave up Giovanni Bernard (my pick if I'd stayed at #79) for Earl Wolff, Alvin Bailey, and Mark Harrison. Will be interesting to see if my quantity over quality approach worked here....
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:03 AM   #1707
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Should have had another trade in their Bowlen..
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:06 AM   #1708
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I think I was shorted a compensatory pick... Baltimore has 12 picks in the draft... I traded out of the first and grabbed 2 extra picks, since I gave up my 1 and 5 for a 2,3,4... But I sure didn't make 17 selections..
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I think it was the Anquan Boldin trade. That was made after our mock started where Baltimore picked up a 6th. Our order, besides comp picks, was frozen after the draft started.
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Well that ends my draft. Gaze upon it:

10. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
55. John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
70. Justin Pugh, G, Syracuse
85. Brian Winters, G, Kent State
97. Shawn Williams, S, Georgia
191. Johnny Adams, CB, Michigan State
193. Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
202. Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina
216. Mike Mauti, ILB, Penn State
248. Rod Sweeting, CB, Georgia Tech
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2-41 Sylvester Williams DT
2-59 DJ Swearinger S
3-91 Stedman Bailey WR
4-105 BW Webb CB
7-218 Luke Marquardt OT
7-235 Brandon Kaufman WR

One of the worst years I can ever remember for lack of Patriots draft selections, originally only had 5 picks, so traded out of the 1st to 2-41 to pick up the early 4th rounder.
Williams is a steal at 41, Swearinger will be stud, just meh on bailey as he is highly productive but isnt anything a team needs to worry about. Webb Solid. The last two picks are small school guys that u can stash on practice squad for 2 years and they could develop into contributing players. Overall A-. Good work
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Pittsburgh Steelers picks (pre-UDFA round):

1-15 (015): Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2-18 (048): Barrett Jones, OC/OG/OT, Alabama
4-15 (112): Earl Wolff, S, North Carolina State
4-18 (115): Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
4-29 (126): Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas
5-17 (150): Josh Boyce, WR, TCU
6-13 (181): Ty Powell, OLB, Harding
6-38 (206): Zac Stacy, RB, Vanderbilt
7-17 (223): Miguel Maysonet, RB, Stony Brook
7-20 (226): Mark Harrison, WR, Rutgers

I had one major trade-down in this draft... essentially, I gave up Giovanni Bernard (my pick if I'd stayed at #79) for Earl Wolff, Alvin Bailey, and Mark Harrison. Will be interesting to see if my quantity over quality approach worked here....
Jarvis Jones will be a stud, i dont care about his 40time. Barrett Jones may be a bit high there but he will be a solid but not spectacular contributor for 10+ years. Wolff has some pretty good measurables but maybe a tad high there. Nassib is a steal there. I was going to take Bailey and u nabbed him right before me. Boyce is solid, broken foot might hurt him in the draft. Powell is a nice pick as is stacy. Dont care for maysonet...good numbers at a small school and he is not overly big or fast...pry will be UDFA, but 7th round who cares. LOVE LOVE LOVE Mark Harrison....size speed freak had my eye on him the entire draft. Good work.
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Will we finish the draft before the 6 hour clock? (It starts on Tuesday at 10 AM EST.) It could be an Orange Mane Mock Draft first!!

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Well that ends my draft. Gaze upon it:

10. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
55. John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
70. Justin Pugh, G, Syracuse
85. Brian Winters, G, Kent State
97. Shawn Williams, S, Georgia
191. Johnny Adams, CB, Michigan State
193. Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
202. Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina
216. Mike Mauti, ILB, Penn State
248. Rod Sweeting, CB, Georgia Tech
Werner might be high there...solid but not spectacular player. Jenkins is good value there and I think he will be stud..wouldnt be upset if denver took him first round. Pugh is a solid pick...could give him a try at LT...I remember Matt Lepsis did pretty well at 6'4 290 playing our left side. Winters...meh...Shawn Williams and Adams are solid players. Had my eye on gillislee...if andre ellington wouldnt have been where I took him would have taken gillislee..Dont like Ace Sander...good returner but small and not very fast. Mauti solid. Sweeting was my top player I was eyeing for UDFA. B
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2-41 Sylvester Williams DT
2-59 DJ Swearinger S
3-91 Stedman Bailey WR
4-105 BW Webb CB
7-218 Luke Marquardt OT
7-235 Brandon Kaufman WR

One of the worst years I can ever remember for lack of Patriots draft selections, originally only had 5 picks, so traded out of the 1st to 2-41 to pick up the early 4th rounder.
Williams looks solid in the early 2nd. I think he has a chance at the late 1st Round, but I think around where you got him is correct. I have the Pats taking Kawann Short in my mock in the 1st, so the dropoff from him to Williams isn't massive, and to some, Williams is better. So, the trade back was phenominal value.

Not sure Swearinger goes in the late 2nd. He's good enough, but I think the new rules in the NFL and focus on pass defense hurts him a bit because he's such a violent player and great against the run. Mid-Late 3rd Round is probably more likely. I like the player though.

Bailey is another guy that probably goes a round later, but is a great player. I understand all these selections because they wouldn't make it to the Pats' next pick. Draft value in a finicky thing. You always want to get the guy you like, but if you can get him a round later, that's always better. In this mock draft you could not, but I think in the real draft, you might. It's a gamble though, and one I understand not taking.

Webb in the 4th is good value. Mayock really likes him.

The 7th Round guys are good fliers. I liked others at the same position more, that I felt offered the same or more upside, but both of these guys were worth it here. There is potential and upside, and that's all you can ask for this late and in UDFA.

This was a solid draft. Not flashy, not a ton of steals. Maybe some small reaches. But the players you selected were legit and your team is better.
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Pittsburgh Steelers picks (pre-UDFA round):

1-15 (015): Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2-18 (048): Barrett Jones, OC/OG/OT, Alabama
4-15 (112): Earl Wolff, S, North Carolina State
4-18 (115): Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
4-29 (126): Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas
5-17 (150): Josh Boyce, WR, TCU
6-13 (181): Ty Powell, OLB, Harding
6-38 (206): Zac Stacy, RB, Vanderbilt
7-17 (223): Miguel Maysonet, RB, Stony Brook
7-20 (226): Mark Harrison, WR, Rutgers

I had one major trade-down in this draft... essentially, I gave up Giovanni Bernard (my pick if I'd stayed at #79) for Earl Wolff, Alvin Bailey, and Mark Harrison. Will be interesting to see if my quantity over quality approach worked here....

I agree with Jebures in his opinion of Jarvis Jones. He's a good player. I know Mediator voiced concerns about him being schemed into production, and I won't discount that at all, but he just looks so good on tape. He plays hard and offenses schemed against him as well. I might be wrong on Jones, but I'm keeping him in my Top 15. I like the selection.

Not big on Barrett Jones at this draft value. I read a nice write up on him once, and the main concern was not athletic enough for OC or OG, and not strong enough to be a mauling OG. He's kind of a tweener. So, I view him as a super reserve type. I'd look at him in the 4th round if that evaluation is right. Plus, you have the Lis Franc injury.

I think Wolff was probably a little bit of a reach, but I loved the value you got with Alvin Bailey and Ryan Nassib. Just great value selections at that point.

I like Boyce in the 5th. He had surgery on a broken little toe. Not overly concerned about that, but it could sideline him. Regardless, really like everything about him. I'm currently mocking him to the Broncos in the 5th, so I like the value too, even with the concerns.

Ty Powell was fine in the 6th, it was around the right range for him. I liked some others more, but he's a good flier.

Zac Stacy was someone I *really* wanted, and I knew I had to trade in front of you since you hadn't taken a back. I just didn't want to lose a selection to do so because I liked the value of some other guys. He's a stupendously great selection where you got him.

I actually do like Maysonnet as well. He is pretty fast with the 4.4 speed, he has decent size, and he was a superstar at his competition level. He's also been a pretty popular private workout guy. He's a nice rotational piece with Stacy, though neither seem inclined to catch the ball.

Mark Harrison is a nice flier in the 7th round.


Best pick for me was Stacy and Nassib, worst was Barrett Jones. Jarvis Jones will make or break this draft, but assuming he holds up his end, this is one of the better drafts. And if he doesn't, well, it slides the other direction.
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Well that ends my draft. Gaze upon it:

10. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
55. John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
70. Justin Pugh, G, Syracuse
85. Brian Winters, G, Kent State
97. Shawn Williams, S, Georgia
191. Johnny Adams, CB, Michigan State
193. Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
202. Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina
216. Mike Mauti, ILB, Penn State
248. Rod Sweeting, CB, Georgia Tech

Werner at ten is ok for me. I'd probably take Damontre Moore first still because is tape is better and neither are great athletes. I have both in the 10-20 draft value range, so this still a decent value.

I LOVE John Jenkins. I think he goes 1st round, so for me, this was incredible value. I do like him as a NT in a 34 better, but he can play in any scheme, especially now that he's slimming down to the 330s.

Pugh and Winters were solid value, though I like Alvin Bailey more than both at OG. Pugh would be very interesting to me as an OC.

I LOVE Shawn Williams. And I'm not a bulldog fan, these are just the two guys I really like from that team, along with Tavarres King. Good value on him, I could see him going in the 2nd Round, but I think the 3rd is probably right, though in the top to middle part of the round.

I like the rest of the draft selections well enough, though they all have some issues. Mauti is very intriguing if he can stay healthy. Gillislee doesn't excite me as much as he does others, but I think he's solid depth.

My favorite pick here is John Jenkins. There's not really a selection I dislike, though maybe Bjoern Werner at 10. This draft has a couple studs, but it's mostly lunch pail types with high floors and moderate upside. I view it as more of a depth-style draft than impact one.
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Just finished some of your other reviews Jebures. We might agree on draft opinions more than anyone I've ever corresponded with on any Bronco forums. McDougald aside, of course.

Did you ever hang out in Broncomania's draft forum under a different alias?
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Did you ever hang out in Broncomania's draft forum under a different alias?
No sir, but have been doing this for a while (did my first mock drafts at 9 years old)...even wrote for a draft website for a while. Did some phone interviews with prospects etc. Some scout emailed me about possibly doing an internship with him while I was still in college...the last intern he had was Matt Williamson who now works as an ESPN college football writer I believe. I also had just got into Physical Therapy school so I figured that was a safer career choice.
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Anthony McCloud, FSU. Doesn't really do much for me. Once upon a time, he was a top draft prospect. This was years ago and he never really developed. He's worth bringing into a camp as an UDFA though.


Rashard Hall, Clemson. Decent player, questionable speed, nice size. Not my favorite safety remaining, but another guy I'd say is a quality UDFA. We're only a few picks away from that point, so if SF really likes these guys, draft value is relative at this point.


Walter Stewart, Cincinnati. I believe he's done as a football player. Too bad because he has some talent. Worth a flier here on the prayer he can somehow play and not paralyze himself.


Jonathan Stewart, Texas AM. Tied for my top LB remaining, and a guy I had a Mid-Late 6th round value on. Good player, good athleticism, good production, good size. Everything is there for him to be a good NFL player. He was on my short list of best available prospects.


Caleb Sturgis, Florida. Great kicker, though his kickoffs can be spotty. He could go in the 6th in the real draft, but I see him in the top of the 7th. Nice value selection, and I like how Detroit nailed down their K and P in the 7th round with top prospects at the position. Nicely played.


Cody Davis, Texas Tech. Love him. Wrote a thesis on why in the draft thread.


Rod Sweeting, Georgia Tech. Not my favorite CB remaining, but he was in my Top 5 at this point. Good draft value, I think he does get drafted in the 7th round in the real draft. Has some skills and developmental upside. Good selection.
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2nd Tyrann Mathieu CB
3rd Logan Ryan CB
4th Oday Aboushi OT
4th Jelani Jenkins OLB
5th Devin Taylor DE
6th David Bass DE
6th Denard Robinson ATH
7th Logan Ryan P
7th Caleb Sturgis K

Not bad, I should have at least 4 NFL starters in there. So what if two of them play SP teams
Warmack is a stud and was an excellent pick. Dont care for mathieu in the 2nd...too much risk to take him that high..don't like the vibe I get from him in his interviews...doesnt seem too bright and will get in trouble again....he is a good player though if he doesnt. Logan Ryan is ok....wasn't high on my list for CBs but 3rd round is about right... Aboushi' stock has kind of fallen..basically just a RT or Guard. Devin Taylor was your best pick...I had my eye on him. Bass is a solid small school player but I doubt he sticks. Ryan Allen is a stud...best Punter to come out in a while...48avg this year and 46.1 year before, solid net avg as well. Sturgis is very consistant and can also kickoff as well. Denard in 6th is very solid even if he just does kick returns or gadget plays.
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No sir, but have been doing this for a while (did my first mock drafts at 9 years old)...even wrote for a draft website for a while. Did some phone interviews with prospects etc. Some scout emailed me about possibly doing an internship with him while I was still in college...the last intern he had was Matt Williamson who now works as an ESPN college football writer I believe. I also had just got into Physical Therapy school so I figured that was a safer career choice.
Well, I obviously think you know your stuff and it shows. I will say that I took the safer career choice too, attorney, and I'd probably give my left nut to go be a scout or get involved in NFL football in some manner. The goal was originally to do law and then try and get into a front office for an NFL team doing contracts. That was dashed as soon as I found out how impossible that was without having connections, of which I have none. So, I did family law for a bit, don't really like that. Now, I'm trying to change niches and find some area of law I do actually like. I'm assuming it exists.

Long story short, and this is great advice for anyone reading this, make sure you choose a career in a field you love. I chose law because I loved football. That hasn't worked out so far for me in terms of happiness.
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Well, I obviously think you know your stuff and it shows. I will say that I took the safer career choice too, attorney, and I'd probably give my left nut to go be a scout or get involved in NFL football in some manner. The goal was originally to do law and then try and get into a front office for an NFL team doing contracts. That was dashed as soon as I found out how impossible that was without having connections, of which I have none. So, I did family law for a bit, don't really like that. Now, I'm trying to change niches and find some area of law I do actually like. I'm assuming it exists.

Long story short, and this is great advice for anyone reading this, make sure you choose a career in a field you love. I chose law because I loved football. That hasn't worked out so far for me in terms of happiness.
Very true, I love my job. One of my classmates in PT school is interning for the Broncos this year on the training staff. Should be able to get some good information this year.
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