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Old 03-05-2013, 08:15 PM   #676
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There's another still on the board that would benefit from a zone.
I have three left on my board

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Old 03-05-2013, 08:29 PM   #677
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Off-man. That is about it. All his interceptions came in zone scenarios or in off-man coverage where he use his eyes and read the route/QB. Press-man was a no-go for him at NCST. He doesn't have experience in it like Xavier Rhodes does. Which is the debate I had with you earlier. I can link you to forums where Wolfpack diehards say the same thing and even dozens of them saying he would be best at FS.

As I said, he will go to a heavy zone team or end up at FS. Just watch. I'll leave the forums for the year if he doesn't.

I think the thing to keep in mind though is that he's fast, he's big, and he has ball skills. I don't see any reason at all why a good DC couldn't teach him how to play press man. For example, the Jags' new coach. He has all the skills required to be good. Maybe it takes some time, but once he ran a 4.4 at 6'1, 205, it shows he has the size and athleticism to play any scheme.
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Off-man. That is about it. All his interceptions came in zone scenarios or in off-man coverage where he use his eyes and read the route/QB. Press-man was a no-go for him at NCST. He doesn't have experience in it like Xavier Rhodes does. Which is the debate I had with you earlier. I can link you to forums where Wolfpack diehards say the same thing and even dozens of them saying he would be best at FS.

As I said, he will go to a heavy zone team or end up at FS. Just watch. I'll leave the forums for the year if he doesn't.
I took him because the 9ers can use him at S or try him at CB and see how he does.
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I think the thing to keep in mind though is that he's fast, he's big, and he has ball skills. I don't see any reason at all why a good DC couldn't teach him how to play press man. For example, the Jags' new coach. He has all the skills required to be good. Maybe it takes some time, but once he ran a 4.4 at 6'1, 205, it shows he has the size and athleticism to play any scheme.
If those were the requisites for NFL success, Vernon Gholston would be a 5 time DPOY.

...but maybe Rex isn't a qualified enough defensive mind, eh?
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If those were the requisites for NFL success, Vernon Gholston would be a 5 time DPOY.

...but maybe Rex isn't a qualified enough defensive mind, eh?
I hear you, and I understand your overall point.

I don't think Amerson compares to Gholston. Vernon was a one year wonder on a good team that blew up the Combine. Amerson's had high production for three years on a bad team, and showed better than anticipated athleticism at the Combine. I think we're safe looking at him in the 2nd Round. I could see him going in Round 1 if he shows good agility at his Pro Day.

Sometimes the prototype athlete at a position does pan out though with good coaching. I'm more optimistic with Amerson than pessimistic in that regard.
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I think there's a decent chance he gets selected at #33 overall by the Jags in RL. He seems the exact type of CB that Bradley prefers. Banks is in that equation too, but Amerson was so productive in college and he has flawless measureables. Refining his technique shouldn't be too hard.
I don't know. Mayock was on last night saying that Amerson got burned for more TDs last season than any player he's ever evaluated (he didn't give any specific numbers, so that may have been hyperbole). He said he was too eager to go for picks and bit frequently on play-action. Good measurables and ball skills, but it sounds like the high numbers of picks may be the result of wreckless gambling.
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I don't know. Mayock was on last night saying that Amerson got burned for more TDs last season than any player he's ever evaluated (he didn't give any specific numbers, so that may have been hyperbole). He said he was too eager to go for picks and bit frequently on play-action. Good measurables and ball skills, but it sounds like the high numbers of picks may be the result of wreckless gambling.
Well, you should know that he isn't using hyperbole Inferno -- you're a Clemson fan. You don't remember Boyd going off for 5 touchdowns in the air and three on the ground against the Wolfpack? Watkins, Ford and Hopkins (who burned him for 62 yards) all went retarded on the field. Amerson was beat like a drum in that game, and more importantly against Tennessee and Miami this year to start the year when everyone wa saying how great he was. He never recovered -- those games got to him and it showed the whole season.

He was ABSOLUTELY abused in all three of those games. He came into the season as a likely first round selection. His stock dropped considerably and probably went down as low as the third round. That is just this year alone. The same thing happened against Clemson and Louisville in 2011, though he did have two picks (and a return TD) against Louisville, he also gave that up in touchdowns. These are games I watched in full and have marked down has terrible performances by him. That is five games out of 25 in his last two seasons -- and I can't help but assume that there were other bad ones out there, especially with Mayock evaluating every aspect of his game.

He went up against several receivers in this years draft (good ones too) and completely **** the bed. Hopkins, Patterson, Hunter etc. -- he even struggle against some FSU receivers who probably aren't going to amount to anything in the NFL. Some people think I'm making this **** up, but I watch ACC ball and I know how badly he played through the whole year. This isn't 2011 where he played lights out and had thirteen interceptions. He should have went back to school. He NEEDED to go back to school. People will look at his 5 picks this year and assume he had a good year, he didn't.

His own coach (O'Brein) called him out for lack of discipline, being wreckless and not sticking to his assignments because of his off the field issues and even questioned his mental strength of the game. There are few players I got to see as much this year as Amerson, and everything I say is the absolute truth. I don't sugar coat **** because I like a guy off the bat or don't -- I tell it like it is. I want to like Amerson, I really do, but on tape the guy just doesn't do it for me. Not when it matters most and not when it comes to the simple things that make a CB great.

He played like piss this year and I stand by my evaluation that he is best suited in a zone scheme or in off-man coverage (so he can trail) where he can't make his read on the QB and then go after the ball. And at times he even struggled with basic knowledge of where he should be on the field in relation to the defender whether it is Cover 1 or Cover 0 coverage. That is not going to fly in the NFL.

He might have ran a good 40, but he has no recovery speed -- just go and watch the games I mentioned and you will see that. He will never succeed as a press-man corner because he doesn't have a short memory and the way he has played football is likely to never change. His traits are a recipe for disaster on the press. He is a risk-taker who might get you a pick six in a game, but he will blow his basic coverage assignments when trying to go for the big play that will result in points on the board for the other team.

He needs to go zone or he is gonna blow it and be out of the league quickly. I still think he would make a great FS because of his skill-set. He does not have the mentality to be a successful NFL corner and I don't know if he will ever get to the point where he plays the game fundamentally sound. Those are all huge concerns for me. Anyone who takes him in Round 1 better be making him a FS or they are playing with fire.

Once again, my opinion.

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Dallas Thomas is GREAT VALUE at your selection, Ro. One of the guys on my short list for Cincy. Doin' work!
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Dallas Thomas is GREAT VALUE at your selection, Ro. One of the guys on my short list for Cincy. Doin' work!
With Fluker and Thomas I figure that Oline is shored up pretty well on both sides.
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Sam Bradford should never get injured again. Didn't you take a QB though?
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Nope.

DJ Fluker, RT
Jamar Taylor, FS
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Dallas Thomas, LG
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Pretty good haul. Can't wait to pick in the third. Who wants to trade down with me so I can work some draft magic?
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It's funny that the Rams ended up taking Dallas. There was a few sites that compared him to Rodger Saffold.
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Pretty good haul. Can't wait to pick in the third. Who wants to trade down with me so I can work some draft magic?
I'm currently trying to get another pick in the 3rd
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I guess I'm looking at a 12 hour wait before I draft.
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With Fluker and Thomas I figure that Oline is shored up pretty well on both sides.
I almost traded up into the late 2nd to take Dallas. Great pick
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Patton is a great pick for the Jaguars.
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Quinton Patton, top 50 prospect. Lots of buzz around him after Senior Bowl week.

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He is Top 45 if you think he is better than all the other receivers already taken in this draft. I think he will go pretty darn high.
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Logan Ryan in the third round is also a fantastic pick. Lions just got away with grand theft.
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Patton was the guy I was balancing against Thomas, but I don't think the Rams have lost faith at all in Quick. I've read some local reports that say Fisher has plenty of faith in Brian Quick and wants to bring him along slowly. After all, he did come out of Appalachian State. I imagine the transition for him is tougher than somebody coming out of a bigger program. He's 6'4" and ran a 4.45 forty so I don't think the Rams are panicking for a number one receiver yet. Fisher is a patient coach.
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at this point can we just say the draft is deeeep top 90 picks? not everybody is "stealing" a guy anymore.

Lots of talent this year 2-3 rounds
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