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Old 06-06-2013, 09:18 AM   #401
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Nuggets a team to be feared?

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Old 06-06-2013, 09:31 AM   #402
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LMAO....just hire Bernie Bickerstaff again so I never have to watch the nuggets.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:46 AM   #403
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LMAO....just hire Bernie Bickerstaff again so I never have to watch the nuggets.
Paul Westhead.. Bickerstaff is one of the more successful Nuggets head coaches.... ugh.. sad but true.

wow check out Denver's history of head coaches.

Name Term[b] GC W L Win% GC W L Win% Achievements Reference
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1 Bob Bass 1967–1969 156 89 67 .571 12 5 7 .417 [14]
2 John McLendon* 1969 28 9 19 .321 — — — — [5]
3 Joe Belmont* 1969–1970 69 45 24 .652 12 5 7 .417 [6]
4 Stan Albeck 1970–1971 71 27 44 .380 — — — — [15]
5 Alex Hannum 1971–1974 252 118 134 .468 12 4 8 .333 [16]
6 Larry Browndagger 1974–1979 385 251 134 .652 45 21 24 .467 Led team to and lost 1975–76 ABA Final[1] [4]
7 Donnie Walsh* 1979–1980 142 60 82 .423 3 1 2 .333 [7]
8 Doug Moe 1980–1990 789 432 357 .548 61 24 37 .393 1987–88 NBA Coach of the Year[2] [3]
9 Paul Westhead 1990–1992 164 44 120 .268 — — — — [17]
10 Dan Issel* 1992–1995 198 96 102 .485 12 6 6 .500 [8]
11 Gene Littles 1995 16 3 13 .188 — — — — [18]
12 Bernie Bickerstaff 1995–1996 127 59 68 .465 3 0 3 0 [19]
13 Dick Motta 1996–1997 69 17 52 .246 — — — — [20]
14 Bill Hanzlik* 1997–1998 82 11 71 .134 — — — — [9]
15 Mike D'Antoni 1998–1999 50 14 36 .280 — — — — [21]
— Dan Issel* 1999–2001 190 84 106 .442 — — — — [8]
16 Mike Evans* 2001–2002 56 18 38 .321 — — — — [10]
17 Jeff Bzdelik* 2002–2004 192 73 119 .380 5 1 4 .200 [11]
18 Michael Cooper* 2004–2005 14 4 10 .286 — — — — [12]
19 George Karl 2005–present 680 423 257 .622

Maybe Denver shoulda examined this before firing Karl
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Paul Westhead.. Bickerstaff is one of the more successful Nuggets head coaches.... ugh.. sad but true.

wow check out Denver's history of head coaches.

Name Term[b] GC W L Win% GC W L Win% Achievements Reference
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1 Bob Bass 1967–1969 156 89 67 .571 12 5 7 .417 [14]
2 John McLendon* 1969 28 9 19 .321 — — — — [5]
3 Joe Belmont* 1969–1970 69 45 24 .652 12 5 7 .417 [6]
4 Stan Albeck 1970–1971 71 27 44 .380 — — — — [15]
5 Alex Hannum 1971–1974 252 118 134 .468 12 4 8 .333 [16]
6 Larry Browndagger 1974–1979 385 251 134 .652 45 21 24 .467 Led team to and lost 1975–76 ABA Final[1] [4]
7 Donnie Walsh* 1979–1980 142 60 82 .423 3 1 2 .333 [7]
8 Doug Moe 1980–1990 789 432 357 .548 61 24 37 .393 1987–88 NBA Coach of the Year[2] [3]
9 Paul Westhead 1990–1992 164 44 120 .268 — — — — [17]
10 Dan Issel* 1992–1995 198 96 102 .485 12 6 6 .500 [8]
11 Gene Littles 1995 16 3 13 .188 — — — — [18]
12 Bernie Bickerstaff 1995–1996 127 59 68 .465 3 0 3 0 [19]
13 Dick Motta 1996–1997 69 17 52 .246 — — — — [20]
14 Bill Hanzlik* 1997–1998 82 11 71 .134 — — — — [9]
15 Mike D'Antoni 1998–1999 50 14 36 .280 — — — — [21]
— Dan Issel* 1999–2001 190 84 106 .442 — — — — [8]
16 Mike Evans* 2001–2002 56 18 38 .321 — — — — [10]
17 Jeff Bzdelik* 2002–2004 192 73 119 .380 5 1 4 .200 [11]
18 Michael Cooper* 2004–2005 14 4 10 .286 — — — — [12]
19 George Karl 2005–present 680 423 257 .622

Maybe Denver shoulda examined this before firing Karl
they need to hire him as the GM and then he can coach the POS players he aquires the following season.
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Tulo is the best player in the league at arguably the most important position in the lineup.

His salary ranks 103rd in baseball.

Other than that, you're right - what a "stoooopid" deal.

People are funny. They complain that the Rockies don't spend enough money. But then, the Rockies go and lock down their best players to long-term deals, and people complain that they aren't spending wisely.

Tell me this. Where would you rather they spent the $10 million/year they're giving Tulo?
If you're gonna tie up big money I'd prefer they do it with the pitching staff.
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The Rockies would be fools not to offer Troy a good contract to keep him with the Rockies. He is one of the best, if not the best at his position when healthy in all of Major League Baseball. Primetime SS do not grow on trees. He his having an incredible year, smacking dingers, 2B's and drawing a decent amount of walks. He will get fanned as much as he did in 2008, but he is still performing at a very, very high level.

Pitching should get big contract money, but to keep a talent like him around, you will have to do that too.
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If you're gonna tie up big money I'd prefer they do it with the pitching staff.
Name one pitcher, in their 20-year history, that they should have locked up, but didn't.
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Name one pitcher, in their 20-year history, that they should have locked up, but didn't.
Randy Johnson
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Big Unit Randy Johnson never played for the Rockies, .
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but he was a FA and the Rockies could have signed him, right?
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but he was a FA and the Rockies could have signed him, right?
Yes, he was a free agent; and no, the Rockies couldn't have signed him.
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Talk about baseball in the other freaking threads please Wtf.
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Yes, he was a free agent; and no, the Rockies couldn't have signed him.
tell that to Mike Hampton.
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Talk about baseball in the other freaking threads please Wtf.
Who do you think the Avs should take with the first pick?
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So Larry Brown was the best Nuggets coach ever (by the numbers)?

I'm sure he's available, job or no job.
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but he was a FA and the Rockies could have signed him, right?
I'm pretty sure DomCasual was referring to players on the Rockies roster who were pitchers that they didn't lock up that were worth keeping around.

And regarding signing him as a FA, NO. He was traded from Seattle to Houston in 1998 for Garcia, Guillen and Halama. He didn't agree to an extension with the Astros after having a great year there and signed in Arizona in 1999. The Rockies were never a team of interest for him.

After four good years out of six in AZ, he was traded to NYC and subsequently traded back a few years later to the Diamondbacks [in the crap years of his career] and in 2009 played his last year with the Giants.

So no, the Rockies never had a chance at ever getting Randy Johnson as a FA, because that opportunity happened after Houston (when he was good) and after his second stint with AZ when he was washed up.

The Rockies has a club option on De La Rosa for 2014 and will likely exercise it. If you think that he is worth more to the ball club than TT, you are absolutely kidding yourself. He is not an Ace pitcher worth premium dollars.
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I'm pretty sure DomCasual was referring to players on the Rockies roster who were pitchers that they didn't lock up that were worth keeping around.

And regarding signing him as a FA, NO. He was traded from Seattle to Houston in 1998 for Garcia, Guillen and Halama. He didn't agree to an extension with the Astros after having a great year there and signed in Arizona in 1999. The Rockies were never a team of interest for him.

After four good years out of six in AZ, he was traded to NYC and subsequently traded back a few years later to the Diamondbacks [in the crap years of his career] and in 2009 played his last year with the Giants.

So no, the Rockies never had a chance at ever getting Randy Johnson as a FA, because that opportunity happened after Houston (when he was good) and after his second stint with AZ when he was washed up.

The Rockies has a club option on De La Rosa for 2014 and will likely exercise it. If you think that he is worth more to the ball club than TT, you are absolutely kidding yourself. He is not an Ace pitcher worth premium dollars.
Johnson was a FA and he signed with the Diamondbacks. The Rockies, whom I've criticized for their bone headed moves, had as much of a chance as any team to get him but they didn't even try. A few years later they go out and sign another left handed picture in Mike Hampton and they inked him to a $120m+ dollar contract, a huge contract compared to what the Diamondbacks were paying Johnson ($52m). Are you gonna tell me that they couldn't offer Johnson a $100m contract and win him over?
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Johnson was a FA and he signed with the Diamondbacks. The Rockies, whom I've criticized for their bone headed moves, had as much of a chance as any team to get him but they didn't even try.
Big time free agent pitchers never consider playing for the Rockies. Even if the Rockies had Yankee money they would struggle to attract big time pitchers because of where they play.
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this doesn't shock me at all. with a new GM coming in it was the perfect time to broom Karl.
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Josh Kroenke can suck my ballz.
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