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Old 03-07-2015, 07:25 AM   #1
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Default Manning in 2008 - a perspective

IN 2008, Peyton had a bursa sac issue with one of his knees, and missed all of the pre season.
Here are his stats through 7 games:

162 Comp
265 Att
61.1 %
1754 Yards
251 yards/game
6.62 yards/att
10 TD
9 Int
79.0 Rating

That's pretty bad. He was 32 at the time.
Here are his stats for the last 9 games:

209 Comp
290 Att
72.1 %
2248 yards
250 yards/game
7.7 yards/att
17 TD
3 Int
109.7 rating

You can see a dramatic change essentially from the first 7 to the final 9 games. He was recovering from an injury. This is essentially 2014 in reverse.
Now he was 32 at the time, not 38, but consider that he's had bad stretches of games before (all QBs have).
Give Manning one final opportunity to win some of you over, as a quality QB, at his soon to be 39 years of age. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:27 AM   #2
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Yep, i think it's mental with him in the playoffs.
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32-33 years old, still his prime arguably to now where he may be completely done.

Horrible comparison but not surprising coming from you.
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Was a Colt in 2008, and also 7 years younger... sooo

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Simply trying to provide perspective.
The comment about his postseason is irrelevant, as the "decline" in 2014, was in the regular season, which is what I was attempting to illustrate.
As far as it being a "horrible comparison", I disagree.
The 2008 season saw bad play for nearly a full half, due to a leg issue. I think that is relavant to 2014.
It's no insult to me, if you dismiss what I posted.
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Simply trying to provide perspective.
The comment about his postseason is irrelevant, as the "decline" in 2014, was in the regular season, which is what I was attempting to illustrate.
As far as it being a "horrible comparison", I disagree.
The 2008 season saw bad play for nearly a full half, due to a leg issue. I think that is relavant to 2014.
It's no insult to me, if you dismiss what I posted.
Manning was playing like **** before the "injury" to SD.

KC, NE, Stl, Buf were all not-so good games before then.

Stupid argument.

Maybe he was hurt but there's reasons why no QB has done well at age 39, maybe Manning bucks that trend but i sure as hell wouldnt bet on it happening.
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Simply trying to provide perspective.
The comment about his postseason is irrelevant, as the "decline" in 2014, was in the regular season, which is what I was attempting to illustrate.
As far as it being a "horrible comparison", I disagree.
The 2008 season saw bad play for nearly a full half, due to a leg issue. I think that is relavant to 2014.
It's no insult to me, if you dismiss what I posted.
His playoff game was horrible too.
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OK, well.....that's it then.
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Simply trying to provide perspective.
The comment about his postseason is irrelevant, as the "decline" in 2014, was in the regular season, which is what I was attempting to illustrate.
As far as it being a "horrible comparison", I disagree.
The 2008 season saw bad play for nearly a full half, due to a leg issue. I think that is relavant to 2014.
It's no insult to me, if you dismiss what I posted.
The Peyton whiners Art don't wont to hear it..they look at Peyton as the enemy..why wouldn't they..he owned the Broncos..they would rather see him fail then succeed ..but ya know what who cares what they want..Peyton is the best QB to ever grace the field and at the end of the day Peyton could give a sh1t what they think..hes gonna have the last laugh..you being a fan of his you should know this.. let the Peyton whiners stew in their own misery as for his fans lets do what we we do best and that's sit back and enjoy the ride..its gonna be a hell of a ride in 2015..screw the year of the horse its better ..its the year of Peyton My Man Manning..it don't get no better then that my friend..
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You aren't trying to provide perspective. You are trying to ignore the reality that 39 year old QBs have diminishing physical abilities and are vastly more prone to nagging injuries.
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9 one-and-dones is a record that will never be broken.

so he has that going for him!
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Yep, i think it's mental with him in the playoffs.
sometimes, you can be too cerebral for this game.

it's probably one of Manning's flaws...

...and a problem John Fox will never understand.
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Manning was playing like **** before the "injury" to SD.

KC, NE, Stl, Buf were all not-so good games before then.

Stupid argument.

Maybe he was hurt but there's reasons why no QB has done well at age 39, maybe Manning bucks that trend but i sure as hell wouldnt bet on it happening.
Not saying none of it was Manning's fault but this might have been the worst offensive line he ever had. The line was terrible.
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Not saying none of it was Manning's fault but this might have been the worst offensive line he ever had. The line was terrible.
And yet most of his bad plays came with plenty of protection.
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Not saying none of it was Manning's fault but this might have been the worst offensive line he ever had. The line was terrible.
I criticize the OL too, they were quite awful but he was the least hit QB in the NFL.

And there were plenty of plays with great protection he did bad.
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We will get the answer on Manning when we see him play this upcoming year. An older quarterback does not mean a finished quarterback. I think he was banged up at the end of the year, and couldnt torque his lower body the way he needed to get oomf on the ball. But like I said, we'll find out.

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We will get the answer on Manning when we see him play this upcoming year. An older quarterback does not mean a finished quarterback. I think he was banged up at the end of the year, and couldnt torque his lower body the way he needed to get oomf on the ball. But like I said, we'll find out.

Usually it does. The list of 39 year old QBs who a) played at a high level and b) finished the season healthy is basically one guy.
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So why did the majority of you clowns say fire Fox, hire Kubiak, make Manning take a pay cut to sign better players, re-sign any good players, keep DT, etc. if you truly felt Manning wasn't capable of wining the SB in '15?
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So why did the majority of you clowns say fire Fox, hire Kubiak, make Manning take a pay cut to sign better players, re-sign any good players, keep DT, etc. if you truly felt Manning wasn't capable of wining the SB in '15?
Pretty sure I said exactly that many times. I was an advocate of him taking a massive pay cut if we kept him (a lot more than $4 mil). To me Manning was as much a problem in our playoff failures as Fox, and now he's going to be 39 freaking years old.
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Pretty sure I said exactly that many times. I was an advocate of him taking a massive pay cut if we kept him (a lot more than $4 mil). To me Manning was as much a problem in our playoff failures as Fox, and now he's going to be 39 freaking years old.
So why change anything then?

If this season was going to be such a waste in your opinion, why get rid of Fox?

Why hire a new coach?

Why make Manning take a pay cut to try and improve the supporting cast?

Because deep down you clowns know Manning at QB is the best chance the Broncos have to win the SB
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So why change anything then?

If this season was going to be such a waste in your opinion, why get rid of Fox?

Why hire a new coach?

Why make Manning take a pay cut to try and improve the supporting cast?

Because deep down you clowns know Manning at QB is the best chance the Broncos have to win the SB
No, because in spite of Manning I still want them to give it their best shot. I don't think we have any chance to win a Super Bowl because of Manning, but if we do enough everywhere else we have an outside chance of winning one in spite of him the way the Colts did.
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