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Old 02-05-2013, 10:53 AM   #101
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NFL is fixed..it is done by ref's.
I don't know what world you live in.
People were saying the same thing about soccer..look how many games were fixed.
Don't worry..you will know the truth in near future.
Hopefully, you will not be shocked at that time.
I'm not denying that sports games might be fixed. Im not saying its DEFINITE either, but i give you the possibility.

What I AM saying is the NFL doesnt fix its games for storylines.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:54 AM   #102
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The Niners' last gasp pass only landed a yard or so out of bounds.

Had Crabtree not been impeded, he probably would've made the catch easily.

Can't blame the Ratbirds for continuing to do what they had been getting away with all postseason.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:58 AM   #103
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I'm obviously an outlier in not minding the no-call. Close to the line of scrimmage, very quick and desperate toss to a spot for a jump ball.

Seeing the actual hold in real time would be more difficult than it seems from slow-mo replay. I'd much rather a ref hold onto a flag until he's 100% sure he saw a penalty. The alternative in such a bang-bang situation is for him to throw a flag on a guess. And just as many (if not more) bad things happen when refs start penalizing through guesswork.

Question for the travesty-of-justice'ers. If it was just a chuck at 5 yards with zero holding, would you still think it should've been called?

For me, if your whole game came down to relying on this call on 4th down and goal in order to win you a Super Bowl, you can't claim you deserved to win. Especially after catching a break or three yourself.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:01 AM   #104
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I'm obviously an outlier in not minding the no-call. Close to the line of scrimmage, very quick and desperate toss to a spot for a jump ball.

Seeing the actual hold in real time would be more difficult than it seems from slow-mo replay. I'd much rather a ref hold onto a flag until he's 100% sure he saw a penalty. The alternative in such a bang-bang situation is for him to throw a flag on a guess. And just as many (if not more) bad things happen when refs start penalizing through guesswork.

Question for the travesty-of-justice'ers. If it was just a chuck at 5 yards with zero holding, would you still think it should've been called?

For me, if your whole game came down to relying on this call on 4th down and goal in order to win you a Super Bowl, you can't claim you deserved to win. Especially after catching a break or three yourself.
I dont disagree with you, but i do hate the "deserve to win" cliche. I can't blame the refs for swallowing their whistles there and letting them play (they had been letting them play like that all game), but i also understand it being a bitter pill to swallow for niners fans. If going by the rules, that's defensive holding. But i get why it wasnt called.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:12 AM   #105
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I actually liked the no call. It meant consistency throughout the game that they swallowed flags. A play like that is also designed to draw a flag. Almost like they call the play assuming they can get a flag. the refs all game kept the flags off the field at least making it consistent.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:17 AM   #106
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^ My issue is that Crabtree was grabbed with two hands. One hand clearly had a handful of jersey. How often do you see a DB get away with grabbing the jersey like that? Meanwhile, the Broncos had 3 PI calls against them vs. the Ravens that were lesser violations.

The only decent argument I've heard is that Crabtree was also guilty of pushing off, so it could have been offsetting PI. But in that case the flag still should have been thrown and the penalties offset, giving the Niners another chance.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:25 AM   #107
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It was terrible. I think college sports will see in an increase in popularity over the next decade or so as more and more people shun $100-$1000 seats, $100 million contracts, and side shows like Ray Lewis, strikes, and what sure seems like crooked officiating.

With that being said one of the greatest sporting events is about to unfold. March Madness. It's hard to beat the pure competitive nature of College Basketball.

Ain't that right Raenos?
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I agree, and not just because of that ridiculous non-call in the EZ that should've given the 49ers a first down at the 2 1/2.

The problem isn't that it was consistently bad, it's that it was completely inconsistent altogether.

A questionable PI here, no holding calls when both teams had jerseys stretched out so far I'm surprised they didn't just tear apart.

I understand the premise that the audience wants the refs to let them play when it reaches this level of the play-offs. Problem is, no-one seemed to respect the rules in this game, and the refs let it happen.
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^ My issue is that Crabtree was grabbed with two hands. One hand clearly had a handful of jersey. How often do you see a DB get away with grabbing the jersey like that? Meanwhile, the Broncos had 3 PI calls against them vs. the Ravens that were lesser violations.
He did, but it was during the typical 5-yard contact. It was close to the body, and at full speed was literally a fraction of a second. I think that kind of stuff near the line gets a pass all the time in the NFL.

You're right that those calls against us were terrible, but to me, that only enhances my point. I'd much rather have this standard for PI/D-holding than the one we witnessed a few weeks ago.
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He did, but it was during the typical 5-yard contact. It was close to the body, and at full speed was literally a fraction of a second. I think that kind of stuff near the line gets a pass all the time in the NFL.

You're right that those calls against us were terrible, but to me, that only enhances my point. I'd much rather have this standard for PI/D-holding than the one we witnessed a few weeks ago.
Wasnt it while the ball was in the air though?
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:07 PM   #110
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Here is a simple question. Which was worse, the PI called on Tony Carter early in the game that had the ref not thrown a flag we would have been up 7-0 and had the ball at midfield early, or the one on Crabtree at the end? One drew a flag and one didn't. I'm arguing with Peter King and Eric Davis on twitter right now about it.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:11 PM   #111
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When 49er fans know a little of how we feel with that last non PI call in the end zone on Williams or whoever it was mugging Crabtree.. Would have won the game for them had he not been held...
Uncatchable ball anyways. It landed out of bounds so it wouldnt have won the game for them but a penalty would have put them at the 1.

Just some bad playcalling by SF. 3 passes to Crabtree? Not one read option when they ran for 186 yards on them.
Anyways im not convinced it was a penalty. Glad they let the players play more. I get tired of seeing piddley PI calls all year long.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:11 PM   #112
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It's frustrating to see that ref's are deciding the result..Shame on NFL
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He did, but it was during the typical 5-yard contact.
Go to the pics in this link. He had a hand full of jersey well into the end zone. Since the play was run from outside the 5 yard line that is well beyond 5 yards.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/4th-an...bowl-47-video/

But, this article makes a case for either offsetting penalties or no call.
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Uncatchable ball anyways.
Not remotely "uncatchable".
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Wasnt it while the ball was in the air though?
It was close. But it was far too close to expect that a ref could simultaneously determine the release of the ball and be watching close enough to determine holding or PI at the same time.

But I'm not a fan of the idea that a receiver should get a free pass off the line just because the QB decides to loft a jump ball right at the snap. How exactly are you supposed to defend that?
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Go to the pics in this link. He had a hand full of jersey well into the end zone. Since the play was run from outside the 5 yard line that is well beyond 5 yards.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/4th-an...bowl-47-video/

But, this article makes a case for either offsetting penalties or no call.
It's maybe a yard beyond 5. But refs give that kind of cushion all day every day. And I'm agreeing that if you look at a still capture, you can see holding. But there's a big difference between seeing technical holding by replay screengrab and expecting a ref to call that in real time. Any time I see that play in real time I think to myself, "No way I'd throw that flag"

And I literally couldn't give two ****s who won that game.

All I'm saying is that if we expect refs to start catching that kind of holding, expect 3 times as many holding calls every game. I'd rather they just miss one every now and again. That play didn't deserve to score, and probably wouldn't have anyway.
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Not remotely "uncatchable".
If he does catch it, he is easily out of bounds.
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If he does catch it, he is easily out of bounds.
Well, then it's holding
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Go to the pics in this link. He had a hand full of jersey well into the end zone. Since the play was run from outside the 5 yard line that is well beyond 5 yards.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/4th-an...bowl-47-video/

But, this article makes a case for either offsetting penalties or no call.
2 things I get from this link. 1 look at Vernon Davis open over the middle because of the blitz. Experience throws to that option. One on one. 2. Look at crabtrees hands. His left hand throws the defenders head. He's on the face mask pushing off his head the entire time. Other hand is contacting defender also. When you watch it in slow motion you can see the defenders head get pushed and helmet turns almost halfway around. That left hand of Crabtree is pushing off the helmet the entire time. You can see jimmy smith arm go up to the refs when hes on the ground as if to say did you see his hand push my helmet backwards

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Keep falling on your dumb sword about this dumber topic and insulting my intelligence. It makes you look really smart.

Type Ray Lewis into Google right now and youll see the SECOND subject to come up in the auto is "ray lewis murders." Yeah, this whole thing is fixed so the NFL can push a storyline. God, if the American public thinks like you, i weap for it.

You are one of those people who really hates to admit they are wrong. But keep arguing this stupid point.
Falling on my sword? WTF are you talking about Junior? That doesn't make any sense.

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It's maybe a yard beyond 5. But refs give that kind of cushion all day every day. And I'm agreeing that if you look at a still capture, you can see holding. But there's a big difference between seeing technical holding by replay screengrab and expecting a ref to call that in real time. Any time I see that play in real time I think to myself, "No way I'd throw that flag"

And I literally couldn't give two ****s who won that game.

All I'm saying is that if we expect refs to start catching that kind of holding, expect 3 times as many holding calls every game. I'd rather they just miss one every now and again. That play didn't deserve to score, and probably wouldn't have anyway.
Exactly. Not sure why this is even a topic here. Seems you guys just like to trash the refs all the time like your team is their main target. Everyone has bad calls go against them. We have had our share.
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Well, then it's holding
Ive seen the guys on NFL Network talk about it a lot. It is what it is. Could go either way and i didnt think right away it was holding. The ball was in the air and according to those pics with the rules someone posted, those dont apply.

SF just called some bad plays there.
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Ive seen the guys on NFL Network talk about it a lot. It is what it is. Could go either way and i didnt think right away it was holding. The ball was in the air and according to those pics with the rules someone posted, those dont apply.

SF just called some bad plays there.
Yes they did. That's what they(niner fans) should be whining about. It was bad redzone execution. Not just that sequence but the entire game down there.
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Ive seen the guys on NFL Network talk about it a lot. It is what it is. Could go either way and i didnt think right away it was holding. The ball was in the air and according to those pics with the rules someone posted, those dont apply.

SF just called some bad plays there.
Agreed. I was surprised by pretty much all of the calls in that sequence. Why Kaep was ever under center was odd.
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Exactly. Not sure why this is even a topic here. Seems you guys just like to trash the refs all the time like your team is their main target. Everyone has bad calls go against them. We have had our share.
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