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Old 12-06-2013, 10:54 AM   #251
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Tough but not impossible draw. No better than 50/50 we make it out of group play.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #252
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #253
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In 2002 Germany beat the USA 1-0 in a game the Americans could have easily won if they had better finishing. The won the possession battle 58%-42%, outshot Germany 11-6 and very much were in the game. The USA has repeatedly shown that they can and will play up (and down as well) to the level of their competition - see the 2009 Confederations Cup. I think the team the USA will send this year is more athletic and better than in any previous year and will give Germany a decent test. I agree that a win over Germany is unlikely, but I think a draw is more likely than a lot of people would like to admit.

It seems to me that team spirit and will are thing vastly underrated in international soccer and its something the Americans have in spades. it's something the USA has to do because they just don't have the skill or athleticism of the best nations in the world like Germany. During CONCACAF qualifying you see it all the time - the other countries will emotionally fold in tough situations, resigned to their fates, but the USA always fights hard and valiantly until the end in every match. Last gasp victories in places like Jamaica and Panama, while not acknowledged outside of the US even though these are incredibly tough places to win, show the team's unbelievable will and spirit. I'm confident in the USA's chances to cause a lot of trouble in the group as no team is as mentally tough as the USA.
I could see them drawing certainly, especially as its the final game and the stakes could vary for the two sides but a win i'd find improbable.

Team spirit and will aren't underrated at all though, especially in this sport when you consider Chelsea's run to the european cup in 2012 against far superior opposition and a whole host of other underdog stories. But you have to consider that this is a German side where at least half of them just won a European cup with Bayern a year after losing the final in their own backyard to a weaker team. They have plenty of mental strength.

Thing is that a lot of it will simply come down to execution and it's one thing when it's Jamaica and Panama and another when it's a German team with many of the best players in the world in an important game. I could see USA giving them a good game but Germany winning 1-0 for example.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:59 AM   #254
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1-1-1 is likely
1-0-2 is doable
2-1-0 is possible
2-0-1 would mean we are playing to the best of our potential and Jürgen was an amazing signing for the US
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:32 AM   #255
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In 2002 Germany beat the USA 1-0 in a game the Americans could have easily won if they had better finishing. The won the possession battle 58%-42%, outshot Germany 11-6 and very much were in the game. The USA has repeatedly shown that they can and will play up (and down as well) to the level of their competition - see the 2009 Confederations Cup. I think the team the USA will send this year is more athletic and better than in any previous year and will give Germany a decent test. I agree that a win over Germany is unlikely, but I think a draw is more likely than a lot of people would like to admit.

It seems to me that team spirit and will are thing vastly underrated in international soccer and its something the Americans have in spades. it's something the USA has to do because they just don't have the skill or athleticism of the best nations in the world like Germany. During CONCACAF qualifying you see it all the time - the other countries will emotionally fold in tough situations, resigned to their fates, but the USA always fights hard and valiantly until the end in every match. Last gasp victories in places like Jamaica and Panama, while not acknowledged outside of the US even though these are incredibly tough places to win, show the team's unbelievable will and spirit. I'm confident in the USA's chances to cause a lot of trouble in the group as no team is as mentally tough as the USA.
America def has the athleticism, we dont have the skill of those euro teams though.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:37 AM   #256
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America def has the athleticism, we dont have the skill of those euro teams though.
Agree 100%. Athleticism and physicality aren't issues in my eyes, it's using those skill sets to kick a ball where we are behind Europe/South America...
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:47 AM   #257
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Another interesting aspect will be dealing with 3 varying styles of play. We open with dealing with flopping and crying to the refs for calls while looking for home run balls. We then move to having to cover a superstar who will additionally get calls going his way. After the frustration of having to deal with physicality hurting us, we then face a physical, skilled side who will try to push us around while still having the talent to score many goals. It will be a difficult variety to deal with but that's a reason to be in the WC, to challenge yourself against different styles from around the world.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:49 AM   #258
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You guys got a really tough group, four good teams.

Playing Germany last may be a blessing, chance they'll have qualified by then.

You're basically in a three way race for the other spot though, Germany are a tremendous team. Portugal are essentially a one man team, but it's a hell of a man... Ghana are well organised with some good players, but like the U.S lack any truly elite players.

Should be some good games.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:09 PM   #259
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It's a nightmare draw. The U.S. plays no defense. Our back is atrocious. You can make a case that the U.S. midfield (which is very good) can simply keep the ball away from the back for big chunks of the game.

That seems unlikely.

1-2-0 is my bet.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:11 PM   #260
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i predict 1-1-1
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:01 PM   #261
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0-2-1 is my bet, this is a really, really tough draw
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:20 PM   #262
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I'm sorry guys though, i'd be very very surprised if USA were to advance from that group. Germany are arguably the team to beat in international football now and you can nearly guarantee they'll win the group, they won a more dificult group containing Holland, Portugal and Denmark in the euros a year ago. Would take a bad showing by Portugal to give USA any chance i feel and i'm going to back a side whose gameplan is to defend well and pass it to Ronaldo to do well.
Cool story. So which group is Ireland in again?
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99% chance US wont be able to beat them.
Cool story. So you'll give me 99-1 on my money if I bet on the U.S. to beat Germany. I'll tell you what, I'll even give you 90-1. My $50 to your $4500 sound good?
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:23 AM   #268
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Cool story. So which group is Ireland in again?
Is there really any need for that? We're a small country with 4 million people to your 300, we should be proud to even be able to hang with top teams when we do. Qualifying for a major tournament is a huge deal over here, whereas it's expected for you.

Also, i'd doubt USA would get out of a qualifying pool including Sweden, Austria and Germany, especially where the runner up had to beat Portugal to qualify. No chance USA would have got out of that group.

Oh and a novel bet, but no, being on the other side of the world and all.
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Best case scenario I could see possibly happening.

We beat Ghana.
Germany beats Portugal.

We some pull off a miracle and beat Portugal.
Germany beats Ghana.

If this were to happen the last game is irrelevant.

Not likely but t is possible.
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Is there really any need for that? We're a small country with 4 million people to your 300, we should be proud to even be able to hang with top teams when we do. Qualifying for a major tournament is a huge deal over here, whereas it's expected for you.

Also, i'd doubt USA would get out of a qualifying pool including Sweden, Austria and Germany, especially where the runner up had to beat Portugal to qualify. No chance USA would have got out of that group.

Oh and a novel bet, but no, being on the other side of the world and all.
Don't worry about him. He has little man syndrome and gets angry for no reason.
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Is there really any need for that? We're a small country with 4 million people to your 300, we should be proud to even be able to hang with top teams when we do. Qualifying for a major tournament is a huge deal over here, whereas it's expected for you.

Also, i'd doubt USA would get out of a qualifying pool including Sweden, Austria and Germany, especially where the runner up had to beat Portugal to qualify. No chance USA would have got out of that group.

Oh and a novel bet, but no, being on the other side of the world and all.
I do disagree with not getting out of the other group. Sweden is so wishy washy. Zlatan can score incredible goals and then not show up. He has done nothing in the WC.

It would be a lot easier. The Aussies would be a gimme, which Ghana is not, and Portugal is better than Sweden.
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Is there really any need for that? We're a small country with 4 million people to your 300, we should be proud to even be able to hang with top teams when we do. Qualifying for a major tournament is a huge deal over here, whereas it's expected for you.

Also, i'd doubt USA would get out of a qualifying pool including Sweden, Austria and Germany, especially where the runner up had to beat Portugal to qualify. No chance USA would have got out of that group.

Oh and a novel bet, but no, being on the other side of the world and all.
He's not worth your time. He is both a mental and physical midget.
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Didn't think so. Next.
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