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Old 05-26-2013, 11:42 AM   #126
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Old 06-16-2013, 09:44 PM   #127
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I still have the making of TMP in a box somewhere. That is about the only one I have read. I did read Shat's Bio but only because it was a gift.
Hey Broncosteven, as you and I appear to be of likes minds regarding Abrams apparent contempt for the sciences in his film-making process, I thought you might appreciate this break down of the "science" of Into Darkness.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62867


Apparently in this new Star Trek universe, It would have only taken Gene Krantz about 5 minutes to get Apollo 13 back from the Moon to the Earth.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:25 PM   #128
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I liked the new Star Trek. I'm a Treker. I favored the next generation with Picard and company. The original series is really old and hasn't aged well. I had problems with the reboot, but they were the plot holes, not the portrayals of their characters. I actually liked how the Kirk and Spock styles clashed. That's something TOS didn't do enough of. I don't think Abrams tells very good stories, but he's a good story teller and puts on a good show. I enjoyed Star Trek and hope to enjoy this one.
Given when the original series ran, it aged quite well for a long time. When Picard came along the technology leaps made in between were just too much to even make a comparison. You just had to be fair about it. What really aged well was the character development and dynamics between the orginal series characters especially when you consider how the original series ran less than 1/2 of the next generation time line. When you compare the shows running in the mid-sixties, Star Trek was off the charts in a brand new genre before Apollo. It was slow to take but by the time the first reruns hit, it was more popular the most of the first run shows. This was the age of Westerns and variety shows.

Having said that, renewing the two recent Star Trek movies with the original characters was a very risky proposition. Anyone of my era who lived through the time of the orignal series run time with preset expectations would have great skepticism. However, IMO the new producer/director/actors hit a home run on both movies. I applaud the success.
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I can't imagine how awesome Star Trek must have been in the 60s compared to whatever else was on for a viewer. Even when an episode of TOS is on now I will watch it at the expense of almost anything else on and I'll be totally enthralled by it even though I've likely seen the episode numerous times. This is stuff that is almost 50 year old.....and it's still the best thing since sliced bread.
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Hey Broncosteven, as you and I appear to be of likes minds regarding Abrams apparent contempt for the sciences in his film-making process, I thought you might appreciate this break down of the "science" of Into Darkness.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62867


Apparently in this new Star Trek universe, It would have only taken Gene Krantz about 5 minutes to get Apollo 13 back from the Moon to the Earth.
Good stuff.

I started to read it but I haven't seen the latest POS and wanted to avoid some of the spoilers though I know the big one. I hope I didn't miss it's run at the dollar theater as it disappeared from screens here pretty quickly during the 1st run. I figured I would take the kids to see it on the cheap on a rainy day.

I agree with what I read of the review, it was the science of Star Trek as well as it's humanity that pulled me in. Dudes who believe in conspiracy theories who make up implausable **** because it would be kick ass are what is killing sci-fi these days.

There is way less science and much more fiction. I look at the JJ Universe as Space/Action before I would consider it Sci-Fi.
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I can't imagine how awesome Star Trek must have been in the 60s compared to whatever else was on for a viewer. Even when an episode of TOS is on now I will watch it at the expense of almost anything else on and I'll be totally enthralled by it even though I've likely seen the episode numerous times. This is stuff that is almost 50 year old.....and it's still the best thing since sliced bread.
TOS is awesome. My 14 yr old has seen both new movies and some of the next Gen movies but is now starting over with the originals. Awesome bonding time.
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Well, I can only view this as good news for the Star Trek franchise:

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/n...rek-3-20141206

While, I have issues with J.J. Abrams approach to film-making, I largely acknowledge that he does tend to have a decent eye for composition and if you pair him with a solid script, he can produce a fun movie.

My real beef has always been the the Orci Kurtzman screen writing duo. I largely blame them for making both of the Abram's Trek films so blatantly anti-intellectual. (if you want an exhaustive enumeration of how they are anti-intellectual please reference http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62867)

So, with Orci off of Trek 3, there is at least a chance whatever script he has crapped out at this point will receive a serious re-write by someone who doesn't hold the sciences in contempt.
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Old 12-08-2014, 08:26 AM   #133
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Well, I can only view this as good news for the Star Trek franchise:

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/n...rek-3-20141206

While, I have issues with J.J. Abrams approach to film-making, I largely acknowledge that he does tend to have a decent eye for composition and if you pair him with a solid script, he can produce a fun movie.

My real beef has always been the the Orci Kurtzman screen writing duo. I largely blame them for making both of the Abram's Trek films so blatantly anti-intellectual. (if you want an exhaustive enumeration of how they are anti-intellectual please reference http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62867)

So, with Orci off of Trek 3, there is at least a chance whatever script he has crapped out at this point will receive a serious re-write by someone who doesn't hold the sciences in contempt.

I liked this part the best:

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Now the key will be avoiding someone who is too sanctimonious and preachy. Whenever Star Trek films try to "tell a message," with the exception of STIV, the films blow.
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Now the key will be avoiding someone who is too sanctimonious and preachy. Whenever Star Trek films try to "tell a message," with the exception of STIV, the films blow.
HOW DARE YOU! The only good Star Trek movies are Khan and undiscovered country.
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I love that JJ is on to hosing up Star Wars, lots of complaints over what he has done so far.

I don't care much, I liked the 1st 2 movies but once they started using teddy bears to save the universe they lost me.
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I love that JJ is on to hosing up Star Wars, lots of complaints over what he has done so far.

I don't care much, I liked the 1st 2 movies but once they started using teddy bears to save the universe they lost me.
I think JJ will do a good job on Star Wars because he's a fan boy for Star Wars. He sucked as a Star Trek guy he he doesn't get what Star Trek is about.
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Well, I can only view this as good news for the Star Trek franchise:

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/n...rek-3-20141206

While, I have issues with J.J. Abrams approach to film-making, I largely acknowledge that he does tend to have a decent eye for composition and if you pair him with a solid script, he can produce a fun movie.

My real beef has always been the the Orci Kurtzman screen writing duo. I largely blame them for making both of the Abram's Trek films so blatantly anti-intellectual. (if you want an exhaustive enumeration of how they are anti-intellectual please reference http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62867)

So, with Orci off of Trek 3, there is at least a chance whatever script he has crapped out at this point will receive a serious re-write by someone who doesn't hold the sciences in contempt.
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I think JJ will do a good job on Star Wars because he's a fan boy for Star Wars. He sucked as a Star Trek guy he he doesn't get what Star Trek is about.
This.

I thought his Star Trek movies were fun. No depth to speak of but more fun than most of the originals and I am a fan of the originals. Wrath of Khan is the best one, Undiscovered Country is 2nd then it's Search for Spock and the two Abrams installments. I don't like IV as much as everyone else does. The Motion Picture is a snooze-fest, 5 has it's moments. The only good one with the next generation cast is First Contact. The rest are abortions at various trimesters.

Sure hope Abrams does well by Star Wars but I really think he will.
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I love that JJ is on to hosing up Star Wars, lots of complaints over what he has done so far.

I don't care much, I liked the 1st 2 movies but once they started using teddy bears to save the universe they lost me.

I'm willing to give Abrams a shot on the new Star Wars films. Like I said, I hold Orci and Kurtzman far more accountable for my many many issues with his Star Trek films.

If nothing else, the Star Wars trailer confirmed that JJ still knows how to compose a shot. The rotating chase camera on the Falcon was pretty sweet.
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I'm liking a lot of things I'm hearing about the new Star Wars... getting Ford, Hamill and Fisher back is cool... there are creative choices that are directly antithetical to how Lucas approached the prequels... it'll be shot on 35mm, and there are a lot of physical effects rather than actors in front of green screens. I also like that Lawrence Kasdan is writing it. But it'll all come down to how good it turns out.

I enjoyed the first Star Trek reboot but the sequel was way too self referential. It just reminded me how much better The Wrath of Khan was.
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I enjoyed the first Star Trek reboot but the sequel was way too self referential. It just reminded me how much better The Wrath of Khan was.
The Wrath of Khan is awesome because it's an old-school battleship story wrapped up in Sci-fi. It's decidedly un-Star Trek. There's not hypothetical ethical questions. No moral dilemmas that have a lot of back and forth debate. No aliens. It's overtly militarist - way more than you're used to seeing from a Star Trek movie. It's a bunch of humans on space boats blowing the hell out each other. The Villain is awesome. The hero is almost as awesome.

I actually liked that with into Darkness they approached Khan a completely different way. It's just that Abrams got back to his style of trying to pack too much into his movies, logic-be-damned.
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I feel like some of you guys can't enjoy a movie unless it's a 9.5/10 or higher.
My threshold is more around 8.1. (Though I do have my guilty pleasures) Yeah, it means I tend to hate on a lot of films. But there are still more than enough really good movies out there that I just don't feel the need to tolerate most of the crap that Hollywood pumps out.
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I feel like some of you guys can't enjoy a movie unless it's a 9.5/10 or higher.
I liked both Star Trek films. I'm enjoying Oblivion as we speak. If TV shows suck, I have a much lower tolerance.

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