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Old 01-02-2013, 07:08 PM   #151
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Don't use cameras? That London niner game is a perfect example of McD failing in a game. Singletary always scripted his first 15 plays. If you watch that game broncos had niners number on defense during the 1st half. Singletary made 2nd half adjustments at halftime, while McD picked his nose. McD got out coached once he knew what plays weren't coming. Filming another team is bad, Losing a game that you had illegal film on is even worse.

I get that he wasn't prepared to be a personnel guy, but I saw him get out coached way more times than not in games.
The fact that mCd said in a presser that he didn't believe in adjustments told me all I needed to know.

Fox has built his success on adjusting at the half, he did it with Tebow and with Manning. Yet mCd thought adjustments were overrated. Then there is the whole Elway having to tell him it might be a good idea to script his 1st 15 plays! Elway wasn't even GM yet!
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The fact that mCd said in a presser that he didn't believe in adjustments told me all I needed to know.

Fox has built his success on adjusting at the half, he did it with Tebow and with Manning. Yet mCd thought adjustments were overrated. Then there is the whole Elway having to tell him it might be a good idea to script his 1st 15 plays! Elway wasn't even GM yet!
I see you don't really care when people correct what you've said and you continue you repeat the same reasoning in every thread.

You're mad at McDaniels because he said he doesn't believe in adjustments, and yet you can't even make adjustments to posting the same illogical opinions in every thread that has to do with him.
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What I saw was redzone failure after failure from McD. Move the ball between the 20s then he took a dump in the redzone. And that redzone failure creeped into the Rams offense too. They were just as horrible in the redzone. Without Belichick and Brady he doesn't know how to punch it in. I remember he called us "idiots" to think tebow would be a goaline positive when McD couldn't score on 1st and goal at the 1

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree about his coaching skills.
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I see you don't really care when people correct what you've said and you continue you repeat the same reasoning in every thread.

You're mad at McDaniels because he said he doesn't believe in adjustments, and yet you can't even make adjustments to posting the same illogical opinions in every thread that has to do with him.
You ever figure out if Belly or Chip Kelly had more input than mCd in the NE scheme this year?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ed-up-offense/

Looks like you have to wait another year before your mancrush gets another chance to dismantle an NFL franchise.
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What I saw was redzone failure after failure from McD. Move the ball between the 20s then he took a dump in the redzone. And that redzone failure creeped into the Rams offense too. They were just as horrible in the redzone. Without Belichick and Brady he doesn't know how to punch it in. I remember he called us "idiots" to think tebow would be a goaline positive when McD couldn't score on 1st and goal at the 1

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree about his coaching skills.
This is a common problem in the NFL, not just McDaniels and the Broncos.

And you do realize you're pretty much explaining the "historical 2008 Broncos offense" that Shanahan lovers glaze about right?
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You ever figure out if Belly or Chip Kelly had more input than mCd in the NE scheme this year?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ed-up-offense/

Looks like you have to wait another year before your mancrush gets another chance to dismantle an NFL franchise.
What the hell does that have to do with anything?

And yeah, I already knew that considering I was already in this discussion weeks ago.

You're late. Make adjustments, bro.
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You ever figure out if Belly or Chip Kelly had more input than mCd in the NE scheme this year?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ed-up-offense/

Looks like you have to wait another year before your mancrush gets another chance to dismantle an NFL franchise.
He will be on another name by then so we will never know who this tool is.
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This is a common problem in the NFL, not just McDaniels and the Broncos.

And you do realize you're pretty much explaining the "historical 2008 Broncos offense" that Shanahan lovers glaze about right?
I never thought it was historical, but in 2008 they had 354 1st downs with 42 TDs. 2009 it was only 306 1st downs with 34 TDs. 2010 309 40 TDs. Sans 3 games for McD not coaching. Third down conversions were terrible under McD. 67-207 in 2010? Redzone was 54% in 2008 48% in 09
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I never thought it was historical, but in 2008 they had 354 1st downs with 42 TDs. 2009 it was only 306 1st downs with 34 TDs. 2010 309 40 TDs. Sans 3 games for McD not coaching. Third down conversions were terrible under McD. 67-207 in 2010? Redzone was 54% in 2008 48% in 09
I never said the 2009 offense was as good as the 2008 offense...however... 54%/48% are both horrible. Was 2008 better? Yes, I'd hope so considering they had been playing together for 3 years as compared to 1 for the McDaniels.

However...6% better after 3 years of experience in that system?

Yeah, think about it.
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I never said the 2009 offense was as good as the 2008 offense...however... 54%/48% are both horrible. Was 2008 better? Yes, I'd hope so considering they had been playing together for 3 years as compared to 1 for the McDaniels.

However...6% better after 3 years of experience in that system?

Yeah, think about it.
Talk about glossing over stuff.
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Talk about glossing over stuff.
Considering that we're talking about which offense was ****tier, yeah it's going to sound like that.
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Considering that we're talking about which offense was ****tier, yeah it's going to sound like that.
Ha. He just showed you which one was $h!ttier. Keep glossing.
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Ha. He just showed you which one was $h!ttier. Keep glossing.
... he showed me which was ****tier and I admitted so? What's there to gloss about?

Difference is, one offense had an NFL starting caliber QB along with an offense that has been in the system for 3 years vs a NFL back up caliber QB in his first year of a system along with the rest of the team.

The fact that we are even comparing the two offenses tells you WHAT about the former?

Or was that too complicated for you?
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... he showed me which was ****tier and I admitted so? What's there to gloss about?

Difference is, one offense had an NFL starting caliber QB along with an offense that has been in the system for 3 years vs a NFL back up caliber QB in his first year of a system along with the rest of the team.

The fact that we are even comparing the two offenses tells you WHAT about the former?

Or was that too complicated for you?
Oh really? You want to look at the second year? Its not prettier. But wait there that when you queue up the "he didn't get the chance to finish the season."
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Oh really? You want to look at the second year? Its not prettier. But wait there that when you queue up the "he didn't get the chance to finish the season."
The 2nd year performed better than the prior year AND he didn't get to finish the season.

Try again.

Next time, take into account that the 2008 offense had 3 years and it was widely considered here as such a historical Broncos offense
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The 2nd year performed better than the prior year AND he didn't get to finish the season.

Try again.

Next time, take into account that the 2008 offense had 3 years and it was widely considered here as such a historical Broncos offense


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...2&d-447263-n=1

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost TO
1 New Orleans Saints 16 28.9 463 1,047 410.7 6.3 22.1 97 200 48 10 18 56 86 797 30:28 18 8 -4
2 Denver Broncos 16 23.1 370 1,019 395.8 6.2 22.1 95 200 48 4 10 40 77 739 28:44 18 12 -17

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost TO
1 San Diego Chargers 16 27.6 441 1,039 395.6 6.1 22.3 92 205 45 5 13 38 84 677 33:03 25 16 -6
2 Philadelphia Eagles 16 27.4 439 1,038 389.4 6.0 20.1 85 214 40 9 13 69 129 1,101 31:15 33 12 +9
3 Houston Texans 16 24.4 390 1,029 386.6 6.0 22.5 79 192 41 9 19 47 90 690 29:26 15 6 0
4 Indianapolis Colts 16 27.2 435 1,088 380.8 5.6 22.9 91 204 45 5 8 62 79 709 29:55 14 8 -4
5 New York Giants 16 24.6 394 1,035 380.3 5.9 20.7 74 206 36 3 11 27 92 777 32:32 26 17 -3
6 New Orleans Saints 16 24 384 1,067 372.5 5.6 21.9 106 217 49 5 11 46 90 884 32:05 23 9 -6
7 Dallas Cowboys 16 24.6 394 1,035 364.2 5.6 20.4 86 211 41 13 22 59 109 863 31:25 28 11 0
8 New England Patriots 16 32.4 518 986 363.8 5.9 20.9 95 197 48 7 14 50 83 766 29:24 9 5 +28
9 Green Bay Packers 16 24.2 388 1,000 358.1 5.7 19.5 85 205 42 5 13 38 78 617 32:01 20 9 +10
10 Oakland Raiders 16 25.6 410 1,039 354.6 5.5 19.1 75 220 34 8 20 40 148 1,276 31:12 32 10 -2
11 New York Jets 16 22.9 367 1,087 351.0 5.2 19.2 93 235 40 5 14 36 103 934 32:37 23 7 +9
12 Kansas City Chiefs 16 22.9 366 1,063 349.7 5.3 19.9 83 226 37 10 23 44 90 771 31:39 15 6 +9
13 Denver Broncos 16 21.5 344 1,018 348.9 5.5 19.3 67 207 32 6 19 32 98 944 28:09 29 15 -9



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http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...2&d-447263-n=1

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost TO
1 New Orleans Saints 16 28.9 463 1,047 410.7 6.3 22.1 97 200 48 10 18 56 86 797 30:28 18 8 -4
2 Denver Broncos 16 23.1 370 1,019 395.8 6.2 22.1 95 200 48 4 10 40 77 739 28:44 18 12 -17

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost TO
1 San Diego Chargers 16 27.6 441 1,039 395.6 6.1 22.3 92 205 45 5 13 38 84 677 33:03 25 16 -6
2 Philadelphia Eagles 16 27.4 439 1,038 389.4 6.0 20.1 85 214 40 9 13 69 129 1,101 31:15 33 12 +9
3 Houston Texans 16 24.4 390 1,029 386.6 6.0 22.5 79 192 41 9 19 47 90 690 29:26 15 6 0
4 Indianapolis Colts 16 27.2 435 1,088 380.8 5.6 22.9 91 204 45 5 8 62 79 709 29:55 14 8 -4
5 New York Giants 16 24.6 394 1,035 380.3 5.9 20.7 74 206 36 3 11 27 92 777 32:32 26 17 -3
6 New Orleans Saints 16 24 384 1,067 372.5 5.6 21.9 106 217 49 5 11 46 90 884 32:05 23 9 -6
7 Dallas Cowboys 16 24.6 394 1,035 364.2 5.6 20.4 86 211 41 13 22 59 109 863 31:25 28 11 0
8 New England Patriots 16 32.4 518 986 363.8 5.9 20.9 95 197 48 7 14 50 83 766 29:24 9 5 +28
9 Green Bay Packers 16 24.2 388 1,000 358.1 5.7 19.5 85 205 42 5 13 38 78 617 32:01 20 9 +10
10 Oakland Raiders 16 25.6 410 1,039 354.6 5.5 19.1 75 220 34 8 20 40 148 1,276 31:12 32 10 -2
11 New York Jets 16 22.9 367 1,087 351.0 5.2 19.2 93 235 40 5 14 36 103 934 32:37 23 7 +9
12 Kansas City Chiefs 16 22.9 366 1,063 349.7 5.3 19.9 83 226 37 10 23 44 90 771 31:39 15 6 +9
13 Denver Broncos 16 21.5 344 1,018 348.9 5.5 19.3 67 207 32 6 19 32 98 944 28:09 29 15 -9



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I have no idea what the hell you just wasted your time on pointing out. I think you think I said the 2010 was better than 2008, which I clearly did not.

I clearly just wasted my time with the boy at the back of the small yellow school bus.

You're going to have to try extra hard next time to get my attention.
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I have no idea what the hell you just wasted your time on pointing out. I think you think I said the 2010 was better than 2008, which I clearly did not.

I clearly just wasted my time with the boy at the back of the small yellow school bus.

You're going to have to try extra hard next time to get my attention.
Which stat do you want to talk about?

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http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...2&d-447263-n=1

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost TO
1 New Orleans Saints 16 28.9 463 1,047 410.7 6.3 22.1 97 200 48 10 18 56 86 797 30:28 18 8 -4
2 Denver Broncos 16 23.1 370 1,019 395.8 6.2 22.1 95 200 48 4 10 40 77 739 28:44 18 12 -17

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost TO
1 San Diego Chargers 16 27.6 441 1,039 395.6 6.1 22.3 92 205 45 5 13 38 84 677 33:03 25 16 -6
2 Philadelphia Eagles 16 27.4 439 1,038 389.4 6.0 20.1 85 214 40 9 13 69 129 1,101 31:15 33 12 +9
3 Houston Texans 16 24.4 390 1,029 386.6 6.0 22.5 79 192 41 9 19 47 90 690 29:26 15 6 0
4 Indianapolis Colts 16 27.2 435 1,088 380.8 5.6 22.9 91 204 45 5 8 62 79 709 29:55 14 8 -4
5 New York Giants 16 24.6 394 1,035 380.3 5.9 20.7 74 206 36 3 11 27 92 777 32:32 26 17 -3
6 New Orleans Saints 16 24 384 1,067 372.5 5.6 21.9 106 217 49 5 11 46 90 884 32:05 23 9 -6
7 Dallas Cowboys 16 24.6 394 1,035 364.2 5.6 20.4 86 211 41 13 22 59 109 863 31:25 28 11 0
8 New England Patriots 16 32.4 518 986 363.8 5.9 20.9 95 197 48 7 14 50 83 766 29:24 9 5 +28
9 Green Bay Packers 16 24.2 388 1,000 358.1 5.7 19.5 85 205 42 5 13 38 78 617 32:01 20 9 +10
10 Oakland Raiders 16 25.6 410 1,039 354.6 5.5 19.1 75 220 34 8 20 40 148 1,276 31:12 32 10 -2
11 New York Jets 16 22.9 367 1,087 351.0 5.2 19.2 93 235 40 5 14 36 103 934 32:37 23 7 +9
12 Kansas City Chiefs 16 22.9 366 1,063 349.7 5.3 19.9 83 226 37 10 23 44 90 771 31:39 15 6 +9
13 Denver Broncos 16 21.5 344 1,018 348.9 5.5 19.3 67 207 32 6 19 32 98 944 28:09 29 15 -9



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Those are just a few examples.

Care to explain away Lonnie Paxton (who got more money than Leach for essentially doing the same job), Brandon Gorin, Russ Hochstein, LaMont Jordan, LeKevin Smith, Renaldo Hill, Andre Goodman, Jamal Williams, Nate Jones, and other scrubs who he promptly started at OL?

But all is forgiven because he brought in Dawkins, and Buckhalter right?

So you rebut my statement that he was only allowed to make low cost signings by listing a bunch of EXTREMELY low cost signings? Good god. The only people on that list who were paid anything close to real starter money were Andre Goodman and Brian Dawkins.

Also, this team could use a Russ Hochstein circa four years ago pretty badly right now if you ask me. Solid OL who isn't quite good enough to demand a starting job but can play across the interior at the drop of a hat. Just saying.

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You want to explain why that was though?

Oh yeah, because the chosen one drafted by McDaniels couldn't beat out Brady freakin' Quinn in training camp even though the new staff wanted him to and barely understood how to run a conventional offense.

So yeah, Fox and co. were forced to go with plan B, another crappy QB brought in by McDouche.
The crappy QB who led this team to it's first division title and playoff win in half a decade?

You mean the QB the FO said was "the man" heading into 2011, but when no one wanted to give dick for Orton they backed themselves into paying Kyle $9M?

Or the FO that didn't give Tebow any first team snaps during their little "competition" for the starting job?

Or the FO who promptly looked for a way to send Tebow out of town immediately after that sophomore season where he actually fired this team up and won those big games?

Yeah, lets not go down that road. The current regime's commitment to Tebow isn't exactly a home run rebuttal for you here.

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My arguement is backed up by seeing the worst span of Broncos football I have ever seen in my entire life. And to think McDaniels had little to do with it is asinine.
Where did I say he had nothing to do with it? I said you need to see why he failed, not that he didn't cause it.

Whatever, I'm done. This is talking to a bunch of spoiled little children filled with bile and vitriol towards what they perceive as the boogie man. Don't worry, Josh McDaniels isn't under your bed or in your closet anymore. Thank you all for once again proving that the U.S. really is regressing when it comes to things like literacy and critical thinking. Please, please refrain from breeding.
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Whatever, I'm done. This is talking to a bunch of spoiled little children filled with bile and vitriol towards what they perceive as the boogie man. Don't worry, Josh McDaniels isn't under your bed or in your closet anymore. Thank you all for once again proving that the U.S. really is regressing when it comes to things like literacy and critical thinking. Please, please refrain from breeding.
I enjoy discussing/debating topics related to this team and football in general here on the mane especially with knowledgeable posters like yourself, and others.

But if you have a problem with the "little children" here, why don't you go and post somewhere else where the levels of literacy and critical thinking are up to your standards.
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I don't know how anybody could support Cutler. As you said, he **** on Denver sorta, he's a dick, and most important, on the field he's actually not all that great. He throws way too many INT's, makes bad decisions all the time, doesn't have a positive attitude and is constantly badgering teammates when he makes just as many mistakes as anybody else on the team.

To be 100% honest, I'm glad he's not a Bronco anymore. To me, he's alot like Tony Romo. Will have some great games but for the most part, just way too consistent at making mistakes.
Did a quick look see a few nights ago cutlet total carreer had like 100 TDs and close to 150 fumbles and picks. Great ratio.
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This is a common problem in the NFL, not just McDaniels and the Broncos.

And you do realize you're pretty much explaining the "historical 2008 Broncos offense" that Shanahan lovers glaze about right?
Was thinking much the same thing however it was years 2000-08 that we moved the ball between the 20 and had red zone issues each year other than two when mike and mike were here. Then of course Mikey traded them the next year since they wanted to be RBs instead of goal line guys only.
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So you rebut my statement that he was only allowed to make low cost signings by listing a bunch of EXTREMELY low cost signings? Good god. The only people on that list who were paid anything close to real starter money were Andre Goodman and Brian Dawkins.

Also, this team could use a Russ Hochstein circa four years ago pretty badly right now if you ask me. Solid OL who isn't quite good enough to demand a starting job but can play across the interior at the drop of a hat. Just saying.


The crappy QB who led this team to it's first division title and playoff win in half a decade?

You mean the QB the FO said was "the man" heading into 2011, but when no one wanted to give dick for Orton they backed themselves into paying Kyle $9M?

Or the FO that didn't give Tebow any first team snaps during their little "competition" for the starting job?

Or the FO who promptly looked for a way to send Tebow out of town immediately after that sophomore season where he actually fired this team up and won those big games?

Yeah, lets not go down that road. The current regime's commitment to Tebow isn't exactly a home run rebuttal for you here.


Where did I say he had nothing to do with it? I said you need to see why he failed, not that he didn't cause it.

Whatever, I'm done. This is talking to a bunch of spoiled little children filled with bile and vitriol towards what they perceive as the boogie man. Don't worry, Josh McDaniels isn't under your bed or in your closet anymore. Thank you all for once again proving that the U.S. really is regressing when it comes to things like literacy and critical thinking. Please, please refrain from breeding.
I see you hit a wall and now sweatily grasping at the strained and weak strings of personal attacks. That's ok cause that's the first sign of a defeated arguement. Feel free to come back with something other than a played out breeding joke.

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