AP versus Dickerson - The Orange Mane

Mountain Bronco · 12-12-2012, 11:32 AM

AP on the Dan Patrick show said he is chasing Dickerson's rushing record. He has to average around 165 a game to get there which is very tough, but he has the chops to do it. That said, I still think it would be a record with an asterisk as I think Dickerson's is, as nobody has eclipsed 2000 yard after 14 games as OJ did (AP would need 400 yards in week 14 to get there, so that ain't happening. Thoughts?

boltaneer · 12-12-2012, 11:33 AM

I hope he breaks it.

ZONA · 12-12-2012, 11:35 AM

AP is gonna make a run for all time rushing yards IMO. I think by the time that cat is done, he's gonna hold many NFL rushing records. He's a special special special type of RB.

bronco militia · 12-12-2012, 11:47 AM

hopefully AD breaks the record.

IMO Dickerson was a great RB, but he left a ton of yards on the field to avoid contact.

TheChamp24 · 12-12-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Bronco

AP on the Dan Patrick show said he is chasing Dickerson's rushing record. He has to average around 165 a game to get there which is very tough, but he has the chops to do it. That said, I still think it would be a record with an asterisk as I think Dickerson's is, as nobody has eclipsed 2000 yard after 14 games as OJ did (AP would need 400 yards in week 14 to get there, so that ain't happening. Thoughts?

I remember this type of stuff for Ruth's single season HR record, he did it in 154 games while Maris, etc. had 162 games to get to their number.

Denver Bronco56 · 12-12-2012, 12:04 PM

Not being a homer, but Terrell davis's 2000 yard season was considered by many who dont just look at yard totals as the best.

He sat out MANY games, I've read somewhere the time he sat out equaled like 3-4 games. Another thing to take in account was that he scored 24 TD's that year.

Dickerson and OJ did it in 4 less games also..

AP is getting alot of credit and hype, but alot of that has to do with the fact he came back from injury...

BroncoMan4ever · 12-12-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Bronco

AP on the Dan Patrick show said he is chasing Dickerson's rushing record. He has to average around 165 a game to get there which is very tough, but he has the chops to do it. That said, I still think it would be a record with an asterisk as I think Dickerson's is, as nobody has eclipsed 2000 yard after 14 games as OJ did (AP would need 400 yards in week 14 to get there, so that ain't happening. Thoughts?

I dislike the notion of asterisks on records due to lengthened seasons. It's the same crap as the Ruth/Marris debate in1961. A season is a season and different eras have their own struggles that make setting and breaking Records hard. Look at when OJ and even Dickerson played, the league's defensive players were on average 50-75 lbs lighter than they are now and the league hadn't become pass happy and begun to negate the value of tje RB position. The fact that AP is having this season after the ACL, againt behemoth defensive players in a league all about the pass where feature backs are endangered species is incredible. I don't care if he breaks it in 16 games or 14. It is an incredible feat that should be marveled at regardless of season length.

I would say AP for MVP and comeback player if I wasn't a homer for Peyton

Kaylore · 12-12-2012, 01:44 PM

It's going to be tough. The next rushing defenses he faces are ranked

Rams 13th
Texans 2nd
Packers 15th

AD went nuts on Tampa, who was ranked number 1, but they aren't a good defense. Teams just throw on them because it's easier. I'm sure the Texans won't let him and the Packers will key on him too. It would be an awesome thing to see happen.

Crazy thought: The Rushing and sack record falling in the same season? It could happen.

TheChamp24 · 12-12-2012, 01:59 PM

I'm calling it, AD goes nuts for 324 yards and 4 TD's vs. the Rams.
"Held" to 115 yards and 1 TD vs. the Texans
Then busts out 170 and 1 TD vs the Packers

Finishing with 2,209 yards and 16 TD's.

Tombstone RJ · 12-12-2012, 02:08 PM

that's a tall order, even for AP. It's pretty amazing he's done this well considering defenses know the vikings are going to run and AP's recovery from knee injury.

errand · 12-12-2012, 06:00 PM

NFL went to 16 game schedule in 1978....Eric Dickerson was drafted in 1983

errand · 12-12-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

hopefully AD breaks the record.

IMO Dickerson was a great RB, but he left a ton of yards on the field to avoid contact.

so he's suppose to get hit?

Rohirrim · 12-12-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

hopefully AD breaks the record.

IMO Dickerson was a great RB, but he left a ton of yards on the field to avoid contact.

While wearing every piece of equipment Riddell came up with.

Eric is one retired NFL player not worried about the effect of concussions.

Cito Pelon · 12-12-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

While wearing every piece of equipment Riddell came up with.

Eric is one retired NFL player not worried about the effect of concussions.

Lol, yeah Dickerson had everything, goggles, every pad. Jeez, think if he had got one more yard on all of his attempts . . .

Dude was worn out early in his career.

390 attempts
379
292
404
283
388
314

Adrian Peterson:
238
363
314
283
208
265

Bigdawg26 · 12-12-2012, 07:18 PM

I never really saw Eric Dickerson, but AP is the best RB I've seen since Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders. I really can't believe what he's doing right now!

errand · 12-12-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdawg26

I never really saw Eric Dickerson, but AP is the best RB I've seen since Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders. I really can't believe what he's doing right now!

Then you missed one helluva RB.....

Inkana7 · 12-12-2012, 07:49 PM

Dickerson fumbled 10+ times in each of his first 4 seasons. I have a feeling many on the OM would gripe about that more than they would celebrate his 2K season if he were playing for us today.

errand · 12-12-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkana7

Dickerson fumbled 10+ times in each of his first 4 seasons. I have a feeling many on the OM would gripe about that more than they would celebrate his 2K season if he were playing for us today.

Not to mention that the main reason he "left yards on the field" was because they don't count yardage gained after crossing the goal line...which he did 90 times rushing.

Lestat · 12-12-2012, 08:09 PM

you can make that argument about anything. playoff records, regular season & etc.
players can't help the era they play in, they just go out and try to be great.

there is no asterisk needed next to his record. the season is the season.

bronco militia · 12-12-2012, 08:30 PM

Eric was great, but was kind of a puss compared to other RB'S of his era. Anyway, he never seemed like the same back after he left the rams

Durango · 12-12-2012, 08:34 PM

I like Adrian Peterson a lot, but I just don't see him in the same class with Dickerson. I could see him topping the 2000 yard mark, which in itself is an amazing feat, but not reaching the all-time record.

Peterson pounds out his yards, or so it seems to me. I don't get to see him as much as I'd like to, but I watch when I get the chance. Dickerson would glide. He was so unbelievably smooth and so deceptively fast. I can never forget that Halloween game against the Broncos on a national stage when Dickerson just smoked us.

Peterson may well be a hall of fame talent, but I still don't think he is at the same level as Dickerson.

Abqbronco · 12-12-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

While wearing every piece of equipment Riddell came up with.

Eric is one retired NFL player not worried about the effect of concussions.

This confuses me. How can you say he isn't worried about concussions? I saw him as an analyst on MNF and only concussions can explain his performance.

bronco militia · 12-12-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Abqbronco

This confuses me. How can you say he isn't worried about concussions? I saw him as an analyst on MNF and only concussions can explain his performance.

He was mush mouth before Sharpe

extralife · 12-12-2012, 09:03 PM

there's no way he's breaking Dickerson's record. especially not after saying he's going to try. he's going to be hard pressed to get 2k.

TheChamp24 · 12-13-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Durango

I like Adrian Peterson a lot, but I just don't see him in the same class with Dickerson. I could see him topping the 2000 yard mark, which in itself is an amazing feat, but not reaching the all-time record.

Peterson pounds out his yards, or so it seems to me. I don't get to see him as much as I'd like to, but I watch when I get the chance. Dickerson would glide. He was so unbelievably smooth and so deceptively fast. I can never forget that Halloween game against the Broncos on a national stage when Dickerson just smoked us.

Peterson may well be a hall of fame talent, but I still don't think he is at the same level as Dickerson.

I think you are devaluing Peterson here. The guy is extremely fast, and extremely powerful. Watch his runs, he breaks arm tackles easily and explodes down the field. That is the difference between a good running back and an elite one.
Knowshon gets tackled by those arm tackles for 3-5 yard gains, while Peterson will get 8 yards or more.

Every season AD has gotten 10+ rushing TD's, and his worst YPC has been 4.4.
He has a good chance at cracking 10,000 yards rushing next year with getting near 90 rushing TD's, and he will only be 28 years old.
I don't know if he will be able to play long enough to challenge Emmitt Smith's record, but he will go down as one of the greatest RB's of all time most likely.

12-12-2012, 11:32 AM	#1
Mountain Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Mountains Posts: 1,446	AP versus Dickerson AP on the Dan Patrick show said he is chasing Dickerson's rushing record. He has to average around 165 a game to get there which is very tough, but he has the chops to do it. That said, I still think it would be a record with an asterisk as I think Dickerson's is, as nobody has eclipsed 2000 yard after 14 games as OJ did (AP would need 400 yards in week 14 to get there, so that ain't happening. Thoughts?

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12-12-2012, 11:33 AM	#2
boltaneer 17 ATTA BABY! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: America's Finest City Posts: 4,068	I hope he breaks it.

12-12-2012, 11:35 AM	#3
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,390 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	AP is gonna make a run for all time rushing yards IMO. I think by the time that cat is done, he's gonna hold many NFL rushing records. He's a special special special type of RB.

12-12-2012, 11:47 AM	#4
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	hopefully AD breaks the record. IMO Dickerson was a great RB, but he left a ton of yards on the field to avoid contact.

12-12-2012, 12:04 PM	#6
Denver Bronco56 Head Coach The Greatest Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 174	Not being a homer, but Terrell davis's 2000 yard season was considered by many who dont just look at yard totals as the best. He sat out MANY games, I've read somewhere the time he sat out equaled like 3-4 games. Another thing to take in account was that he scored 24 TD's that year. Dickerson and OJ did it in 4 less games also.. AP is getting alot of credit and hype, but alot of that has to do with the fact he came back from injury...

12-12-2012, 01:44 PM	#8
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,059 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	It's going to be tough. The next rushing defenses he faces are ranked Rams 13th Texans 2nd Packers 15th AD went nuts on Tampa, who was ranked number 1, but they aren't a good defense. Teams just throw on them because it's easier. I'm sure the Texans won't let him and the Packers will key on him too. It would be an awesome thing to see happen. Crazy thought: The Rushing and sack record falling in the same season? It could happen.

12-12-2012, 01:59 PM	#9
TheChamp24 DERP DERP DERP The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 4,875	I'm calling it, AD goes nuts for 324 yards and 4 TD's vs. the Rams. "Held" to 115 yards and 1 TD vs. the Texans Then busts out 170 and 1 TD vs the Packers Finishing with 2,209 yards and 16 TD's.

12-12-2012, 02:08 PM	#10
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,294 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	that's a tall order, even for AP. It's pretty amazing he's done this well considering defenses know the vikings are going to run and AP's recovery from knee injury.

12-12-2012, 06:00 PM	#11
errand Ring of Famer Forgot more than you'll ever know Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Western NC mountains Posts: 15,059	NFL went to 16 game schedule in 1978....Eric Dickerson was drafted in 1983

12-12-2012, 07:18 PM	#15
Bigdawg26 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,476 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I never really saw Eric Dickerson, but AP is the best RB I've seen since Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders. I really can't believe what he's doing right now!

12-12-2012, 07:49 PM	#17
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,232 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	Dickerson fumbled 10+ times in each of his first 4 seasons. I have a feeling many on the OM would gripe about that more than they would celebrate his 2K season if he were playing for us today.

12-12-2012, 08:09 PM	#19
Lestat Oreo Lucian Rockefeller The New Age Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 5,168	you can make that argument about anything. playoff records, regular season & etc. players can't help the era they play in, they just go out and try to be great. there is no asterisk needed next to his record. the season is the season.

12-12-2012, 08:30 PM	#20
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	Eric was great, but was kind of a puss compared to other RB'S of his era. Anyway, he never seemed like the same back after he left the rams

12-12-2012, 08:34 PM	#21
Durango Perennial Pro-bowler Woodsman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Durango Posts: 852 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I like Adrian Peterson a lot, but I just don't see him in the same class with Dickerson. I could see him topping the 2000 yard mark, which in itself is an amazing feat, but not reaching the all-time record. Peterson pounds out his yards, or so it seems to me. I don't get to see him as much as I'd like to, but I watch when I get the chance. Dickerson would glide. He was so unbelievably smooth and so deceptively fast. I can never forget that Halloween game against the Broncos on a national stage when Dickerson just smoked us. Peterson may well be a hall of fame talent, but I still don't think he is at the same level as Dickerson.

12-12-2012, 09:03 PM	#24
extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,904	there's no way he's breaking Dickerson's record. especially not after saying he's going to try. he's going to be hard pressed to get 2k.