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Old 12-06-2012, 07:35 AM   #1
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Default The Ginger Hammer wants to end kickoffs

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cing-kickoffs/

Sean Gregory of TIME writes that one of the options being considered for replacing kickoffs entails giving the ball to the team that would have been kicking off at its own 30, automatically facing a fourth down and 15 yards to go. The team can then choose to punt or go for it, via fake punt or otherwise.

In other words, the kickoff would be replaced with the punt, and the onside kick would be replaced with a fourth-down conversion roughly half the distance of Ray Rice’s recent catch-and-run.
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I see someone has an axe to grind.....

from the article - Goodell says the idea came from Bucs coach Greg Schiano.

the same guy who thinks it's OK to smack a QB on the end of game kneel down.....but keep posting it like it was Goodell's own idea, when all he did was say "Hey, one of our coaches suggested this to keep player head injuries down"
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Doesn't matter who proposed it. Schiano has no stroke to make it to happen but Rog does.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:53 AM   #5
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I only posted a portion of the article with the link per OM guidelines. But feel free to infer what ever you want.
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Doesn't matter who proposed it. Schiano has no stroke to make it to happen but Rog does.
Isn't there a group of owners who are on the competition committee who determine any new rule changes to submit to the owners for approval before anything is implemented?
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I think that Goodell needs to find a way to include interpretive dance into the games. That would be more appealing to the feminine crowd. The second quarter of every game could be an NFL version of Dancing With the Stars. Maybe they could also do a Survivor kind of thing, and fans could vote a player off the field who refused to eat bugs?
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NFL is going through the same corporate cycle all large and successful corporations go through, IBM, Microsoft ETC. The NFL is in the mid stages of being micro managed by a herd of corporate suits each one trying to justify their job by submitting endless improvement ideas until it gets bogged down in complexity, loses what made it successful and becomes a bloated corporate dinosaur. I would say the NFL is more than half way there.
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I only posted a portion of the article with the link per OM guidelines. But feel free to infer what ever you want.
When you call the commissioner "Ginger Hammer" it says you have issues with him to begin with.....then you post the portion that supports your take, implying that Goodell is some evil figure destined to destroy the players or the game. The fact is he just passed a head coach's suggestion onto whomever.

Keep in mind Goodell is under a lot of pressure from fans and players (and their union) to reduce head injuries.....and flying down the field 40 yards in 4.5-5 seconds weighing over 200-300 lbs smacking each other in the head causes head injuries sometimes.

If he says he is for the rule proposed by Schiano, he's an idiot who wants to turn the game into Sarcastiball....but if he dismisses it as a stupid suggestion, he's painted as the evil fiend who doesn't care about anything like player safety.
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When you call the commissioner "Ginger Hammer" it says you have issues with him to begin with.....then you post the portion that supports your take, implying that Goodell is some evil figure destined to destroy the players or the game. The fact is he just passed a head coach's suggestion onto whomever.

Keep in mind Goodell is under a lot of pressure from fans and players (and their union) to reduce head injuries.....and flying down the field 40 yards in 4.5-5 seconds weighing over 200-300 lbs smacking each other in the head causes head injuries sometimes.

If he says he is for the rule proposed by Schiano, he's an idiot who wants to turn the game into Sarcastiball....but if he dismisses it as a stupid suggestion, he's painted as the evil fiend who doesn't care about anything like player safety.
Goodell cares SO MUCH about safety that he wants to add 2 more games to the yearly schedule, and adds weekly Thursday night games. You know, to avoid head trauma, or something.
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its not a bad plan.... if you don't care about a drastic change to the Game. Kickoffs and the Onside kick are a huge part of the Game.

Imagine the flashbulbs popping at Superbowl 50 as the team lines up for the opening 4th down play..... yuck.
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I would agree with most of this....

The NFL became our nation's favorite sport because of the intensity of the battle, the hatred between opposing teams, etc....

some proposed rule changes have helped it become a better game, like replay to get the call right (most of the time), and allowing OL to use their hands to improve pass protection, etc...and other have been head scratchers like moving the point of KO up which almost assuredly means a touchback (at least when playing in Denver against Prater)

One problem is the league knows offense sells tickets...nobody likes those Orton vs. Tebow 7-3 nailbiters, and when the NFL charges you an arm a leg and your first born to watch their product live, the fans will want to see TD's being thrown, and caught.....

so they try to tweak the game that allows offense to gain the upper hand....they protect the QB like he's a china doll, because again fans want to see Brady, the Mannings, and Brees...not their human rummage sale of back-ups like Mallet, Hanie, etc.

Now add in the player's union who are to represent their members, and want the NFL to do more in regards to reducing player injuries in a sport where injuries are going to happen regardless. And the biggest issue nowadays is head injuries and concussions and how to reduce them significantly.

The NFL is caught trying to provide the fans (the ones who pay them $$$ to pay the players etc.) the macho violent sport that they have come to love and support religiously and protect the players those same fans pay handsomely to see.

The title of the thread is misleading as it claims Goodell wants to eliminate KO's, when the fact is Schiano suggested it, and if it gets approved it will be the owners who approve it after the competition committee reviews it.....not Goodell.
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When you call the commissioner "Ginger Hammer" it says you have issues with him to begin with.....then you post the portion that supports your take, implying that Goodell is some evil figure destined to destroy the players or the game. The fact is he just passed a head coach's suggestion onto whomever.

Keep in mind Goodell is under a lot of pressure from fans and players (and their union) to reduce head injuries.....and flying down the field 40 yards in 4.5-5 seconds weighing over 200-300 lbs smacking each other in the head causes head injuries sometimes.

If he says he is for the rule proposed by Schiano, he's an idiot who wants to turn the game into Sarcastiball....but if he dismisses it as a stupid suggestion, he's painted as the evil fiend who doesn't care about anything like player safety.
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Whatever dude. Put your tinfoil hat back on

the article clearly states that Schiano suggested it to Goodell...but you post the thread title that Ginger Hammer wants to eliminate kickoffs....calling Goodell a derogatory name, and stating it was his idea.

Yeah, no agenda here.....
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how am I a terrible human being?

Because I stated the fact that Goodell isn't the one who came up with the idea?

Read the article....it clearly says that Schiano suggested the rule. but feel free to think someone trying to mislead others with a thread title is a great guy and the one who called him out on it is the a-hole.
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Says the board's version of Mean Girl's Gretchen trying to get Methwolfe as a catchy phrase like "Fetch"

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the article clearly states that Schiano suggested it to Goodell...but you post the thread title that Ginger Hammer wants to eliminate kickoffs....calling Goodell a derogatory name, and stating it was his idea.

Yeah, no agenda here.....
Just stop. It's embarrassing
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I admit...your thread title is embarrassing...since it's nowhere near the truth at all.
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This message is hidden because errand is on your ignore list.

There that's done. Would anyone like to discuss the actual content of the article?
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