Running on 3rd and long - The Orange Mane

edog24 · 12-03-2012, 09:47 AM

What are people's thoughts here on this? When it happens, it makes me scream at my TV.

That being said, I get the reasoning behind it: Great punter, obvious passing down=PFM possibly getting sacked, let the D make a great play, etc.

It seemed to turn out ok yesterday, however, I think white bread coaching like that may cost us points or a game against the good teams.

jmz313 · 12-03-2012, 10:04 AM

Fox is a conservative head coach. You probably heard on the broadcast that he told whoever "I don't need a franchise QB to win". I don't agree with that, and i'm sure most wouldn't since Fox has zero SB rings (as HC at least). he also doesn't have an Andy Reid type reg season record to fall back on.

So Far with Peyton manning at QB and the quality of the D this season, These decisions (even in the almost came back loses) have proven to be smart. I just hope the team responds when we might need to make the big plays in the future.

I would like to see us bury a team for a complete 60 minutes though.

Crushaholic · 12-03-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jmz313

Fox is a conservative head coach. You probably heard on the broadcast that he told whoever "I don't need a franchise QB to win". I don't agree with that, and i'm sure most wouldn't since Fox has zero SB rings (as HC at least). he also doesn't have an Andy Reid type reg season record to fall back on.

So Far with Peyton manning at QB and the quality of the D this season, These decisions (even in the almost came back loses) have proven to be smart. I just hope the team responds when we might need to make the big plays in the future.

I would like to see us bury a team for a complete 60 minutes though.

I stopped watching, when it was 31-13. I couldn't believe that we let them get that close. You're right. We need to play our best, for 60 minutes...

DBroncos4life · 12-03-2012, 10:24 AM

The Bucs went with a three man front and from what I saw Manning checked into the run if I remember right.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

The Bucs went with a three man front and from what I saw Manning checked into the run if I remember right.

Yep. "Buffalo buffalo". Manning still forgets Lance Ball is behind him.

Rock Chalk · 12-03-2012, 10:31 AM

Um, Fox did go to a superbowl with Jake freaking Delhomme.

Im pretty sure he's better at this **** than you people.

TDmvp · 12-03-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Um, Fox did go to a superbowl with Jake freaking Delhomme.

Im pretty sure he's better at this **** than you people.

Yup and at least now we don't run 15 bubble screens a game like we did when Josh was the coach.

As long as we keep winning I don't mind what they call really.

crush17 · 12-03-2012, 10:52 AM

Manning is taking away the possibility of a turnover via interception, strip sack, etc. He is being conservative and allowing the special teams/defense do what they do. I hate the call but its the right call.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 11:02 AM

That's all fine and dandy, but Fox did not make that call. From the start of that play it looked like they were in shotgun formation.

sinuous sausage · 12-03-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Yep. "Buffalo buffalo". Manning still forgets Lance Ball is behind him.

it's pretty much a disaster any time the words "buffalo" and "football" appear in the same sentence

Dedhed · 12-03-2012, 11:02 AM

It doesn't bother me as much as running on 3rd and short.

WolfpackGuy · 12-03-2012, 11:03 AM

I can see the reasoning behind it.

The defense was handling their offense pretty well at the time, and there was no sense in risking a turnover, etc.

sinuous sausage · 12-03-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

It doesn't bother me as much as running on 3rd and short.

the idea of running on 3rd-and-short doesn't bother me in the abstract. the concrete execution of it sticks in my craw

SonOfLe-loLang · 12-03-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

It doesn't bother me as much as running on 3rd and short.

This. I cringe everytime its 2 and 2/3rd and 2, and Manning lines up under center. I think we convert these like 2 percent of the time.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 11:14 AM

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This. I cringe everytime its 2 and 2/3rd and 2, and Manning lines up under center. I think we convert these like 2 percent of the time.

Man how many 2nd and 1s did they have yesterday resulting in a negative play or penalty.

sgbfan · 12-03-2012, 11:19 AM

You are also 5 yards out of FG range on 3 and 15. Good chance the RB can gain a few and give Prater a chance. But with the way Prater has kicked the last few weeks... Its all because I put him on my fantasy team...

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 11:23 AM

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You are also 5 yards out of FG range on 3 and 15. Good chance the RB can gain a few and give Prater a chance. But with the way Prater has kicked the last few weeks... Its all because I put him on my fantasy team...

Take him off! Somethin is wrong with Prater lately and I'm superstitious enough to say its cause he's on your FF team. He almost missed the easy one too.

sgbfan · 12-03-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Take him off! Somethin is wrong with Prater lately and I'm superstitious enough to say its cause he's on your FF team. He almost missed the easy one too.

I will for sure. Then again, maybe everyone hasn't been facing their labels out...

sinuous sausage · 12-03-2012, 11:38 AM

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I will for sure. Then again, maybe everyone hasn't been facing their labels out...

I'm sure there will come to be a Ray Finkle for the 'labels out' crew

Armchair Bronco · 12-03-2012, 11:50 AM

Just confirms my view that Fox needs to grow a pair.

LRtagger · 12-03-2012, 11:50 AM

What pissed me off is how we run out of the same formations every time. I can usually call the play correctly before it is snapped 75% of the time and we don't have the Oline to show run and run. It amazes me that we are this good on offense considering.

Broncomutt · 12-03-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Um, Fox did go to a superbowl with Jake freaking Delhomme.

Im pretty sure he's better at this **** than you people.

He's not better than Belichek though, a guy notorius for keeping his foot on the gas. Pretty sure Belichek is better at this **** than you.

Aftermath · 12-03-2012, 01:35 PM

I'm just sick of playing conservative when we have a lead in the 4th quarter. It's going to come back and bite them one of these times. It did to the Lions yesterday, although they don't have PFM. The Bucs got within one touchdown(2pt) because of Fox not wanting to run up the score. We need to finish teams like the Pats.

Bacchus · 12-03-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by edog24

What are people's thoughts here on this? When it happens, it makes me scream at my TV.

That being said, I get the reasoning behind it: Great punter, obvious passing down=PFM possibly getting sacked, let the D make a great play, etc.

It seemed to turn out ok yesterday, however, I think white bread coaching like that may cost us points or a game against the good teams.

I am mad at it at the time BUT everytime Manning has done this the defense has come up and stopped the team. Pretty amazing, if your defense is playing great than I cannot b**** about what they are doing. It seems to be working. I guess they are smarter than the fanbase.

This defense ****ing ROCKS!!!

Bacchus · 12-03-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Aftermath

I'm just sick of playing conservative when we have a lead in the 4th quarter. It's going to come back and bite them one of these times. It did to the Lions yesterday, although they don't have PFM. The Bucs got within one touchdown(2pt) because of Fox not wanting to run up the score. We need to finish teams like the Pats.

They got within 8 points with under 2 minutes and no timeouts left in the game. How many times do teams throw a costly pick or fumble theball late in the game? What they are doing is working.

12-03-2012, 09:47 AM	#1
edog24 Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 745	Running on 3rd and long What are people's thoughts here on this? When it happens, it makes me scream at my TV. That being said, I get the reasoning behind it: Great punter, obvious passing down=PFM possibly getting sacked, let the D make a great play, etc. It seemed to turn out ok yesterday, however, I think white bread coaching like that may cost us points or a game against the good teams.

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12-03-2012, 10:04 AM	#2
jmz313 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 982	Fox is a conservative head coach. You probably heard on the broadcast that he told whoever "I don't need a franchise QB to win". I don't agree with that, and i'm sure most wouldn't since Fox has zero SB rings (as HC at least). he also doesn't have an Andy Reid type reg season record to fall back on. So Far with Peyton manning at QB and the quality of the D this season, These decisions (even in the almost came back loses) have proven to be smart. I just hope the team responds when we might need to make the big plays in the future. I would like to see us bury a team for a complete 60 minutes though.

12-03-2012, 10:24 AM	#4
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,564	The Bucs went with a three man front and from what I saw Manning checked into the run if I remember right.

12-03-2012, 10:31 AM	#6
Rock Chalk Cheeky Bastards Laus Deo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Backside of the Internet Posts: 29,940 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Um, Fox did go to a superbowl with Jake freaking Delhomme. Im pretty sure he's better at this **** than you people.

12-03-2012, 10:52 AM	#8
crush17 orange & blue Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 2,662 Adopt-a-Bronco: DT88	Manning is taking away the possibility of a turnover via interception, strip sack, etc. He is being conservative and allowing the special teams/defense do what they do. I hate the call but its the right call.

12-03-2012, 11:02 AM	#9
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,262 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	That's all fine and dandy, but Fox did not make that call. From the start of that play it looked like they were in shotgun formation.

12-03-2012, 11:02 AM	#11
Dedhed Ring of Famer Fare thee well Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 9,714 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	It doesn't bother me as much as running on 3rd and short.

12-03-2012, 11:03 AM	#12
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,675	I can see the reasoning behind it. The defense was handling their offense pretty well at the time, and there was no sense in risking a turnover, etc.

12-03-2012, 11:19 AM	#16
sgbfan Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,002	You are also 5 yards out of FG range on 3 and 15. Good chance the RB can gain a few and give Prater a chance. But with the way Prater has kicked the last few weeks... Its all because I put him on my fantasy team...

12-03-2012, 11:50 AM	#20
Armchair Bronco Ring of Famer Call me "Old School"... Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,604 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darrien Gordon	Just confirms my view that Fox needs to grow a pair.

12-03-2012, 11:50 AM	#21
LRtagger Ring of Famer CUT THAT MEAT Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,258 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	What pissed me off is how we run out of the same formations every time. I can usually call the play correctly before it is snapped 75% of the time and we don't have the Oline to show run and run. It amazes me that we are this good on offense considering.

12-03-2012, 01:35 PM	#23
Aftermath Creep Broncos \| Flyers \| Tigers Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Dirty Glove Posts: 750 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	I'm just sick of playing conservative when we have a lead in the 4th quarter. It's going to come back and bite them one of these times. It did to the Lions yesterday, although they don't have PFM. The Bucs got within one touchdown(2pt) because of Fox not wanting to run up the score. We need to finish teams like the Pats.