Dammit, I hate having to admit to baja that he is right. Mexico really is safer than the USA.

[SoCalBronco]

Oh wait....

CULIACAN, Mexico (AP) — A 20-year-old state beauty queen died in a gun battle between soldiers and the alleged gang of drug traffickers she was traveling with in a scene befitting the hit movie "Miss Bala," or "Miss Bullet," about Mexico's not uncommon ties between narcos and beautiful pageant contestants.

The body of Maria Susana Flores Gamez was found Saturday lying near an assault rifle on a rural road in a mountainous area of the drug-plagued state of Sinaloa, the chief state prosecutor said Monday. It was unclear if she had used the weapon.

"She was with the gang of criminals, but we cannot say whether she participated in the shootout," state prosecutor Marco Antonio Higuera said. "That's what we're going to have to investigate."

The slender, 5-foot-7-inch brunette was voted the 2012 Woman of Sinaloa in a beauty pageant in February. In June, the model competed with other seven contestants for the more prestigious state beauty contest, Our Beauty Sinaloa, but didn't win. The Our Beauty state winners compete for the Miss Mexico title, whose holder represents the country in the international Miss Universe.

For more see, http://news.yahoo.com/mexican-beauty...203944060.html

[Rohirrim]

This is another reason we need to legalize pot. Mexicans have turned the drug runners into folk heroes, like we did with John Dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde in the 30s. Once alcohol was legalized, the entire thing collapsed.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

This is another reason we need to legalize pot. Mexicans have turned the drug runners into folk heroes, like we did with John Dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde in the 30s. Once alcohol was legalized, the entire thing collapsed.

While I agree with you about pot, what about coke, heroin, all that other shlt?

[Drek]

Originally Posted by spdirty

While I agree with you about pot, what about coke, heroin, all that other shlt?

decriminalize and pair with mandatory rehab. This is what Portugal has done to great effect, massively reducing heroin addiction in their country after years of trying stricter and stricter enforcement laws.

No one wants to be a junkie, they just don't know how to get clean. We'd be better off if every first time arrested junkie was rehabilitated with the >50% success rate of most professional rehab clinics than we are now sending them to prison where they meet real hardened criminals and begin to escalate the collapse of their lives.

[Doggcow]

Originally Posted by Drek

decriminalize and pair with mandatory rehab. This is what Portugal has done to great effect, massively reducing heroin addiction in their country after years of trying stricter and stricter enforcement laws.

No one wants to be a junkie, they just don't know how to get clean. We'd be better off if every first time arrested junkie was rehabilitated with the >50% success rate of most professional rehab clinics than we are now sending them to prison where they meet real hardened criminals and begin to escalate the collapse of their lives.

I'm fine with this. Honestly I'm fine with all drugs being legal. For the most part people get stuck in those **** situations with drugs, which feeds the need for more. Make drugs open to everyone, and most people are smart enough not to do tons of drugs. Let employers still have their own rules as far as drugs go. Tax them. I think our country would be safer with legalized drugs, personally.

I could be completely wrong, but that's the way I see it.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by Drek

decriminalize and pair with mandatory rehab. This is what Portugal has done to great effect, massively reducing heroin addiction in their country after years of trying stricter and stricter enforcement laws.

No one wants to be a junkie, they just don't know how to get clean. We'd be better off if every first time arrested junkie was rehabilitated with the >50% success rate of most professional rehab clinics than we are now sending them to prison where they meet real hardened criminals and begin to escalate the collapse of their lives.

It also bears mentioning that one of the reasons people have a hard time getting clean is because what they are doing is illegal, so seeking help puts them at risk of going to jail.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by Drek

decriminalize and pair with mandatory rehab. This is what Portugal has done to great effect, massively reducing heroin addiction in their country after years of trying stricter and stricter enforcement laws.

No one wants to be a junkie, they just don't know how to get clean. We'd be better off if every first time arrested junkie was rehabilitated with the >50% success rate of most professional rehab clinics than we are now sending them to prison where they meet real hardened criminals and begin to escalate the collapse of their lives.

Yes, a good idea but who is going to pay for it, would the rehab clinics bill the American taxpayer directly with a new tax or should we just borrow more from China and pass it off to our kids and grandkids?

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Yes, a good idea but who is going to pay for it, would the rehab clinics bill the American taxpayer directly with a new tax or should we just borrow more from China and pass it off to our kids and grandkids?

Rehab is a lot cheaper than prison, so it's a cost savings.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Rehab is a lot cheaper than prison, so it's a cost savings.

We are talking about first time arrested junkie and most of them don't go to prison. We need to all start asking the question "who is going to pay for it, we can no longer afford to throw money at every social problem that comes up.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by spdirty

While I agree with you about pot, what about coke, heroin, all that other shlt?

I think drugs are a social and health issue, not a criminal issue.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I think drugs are a social and health issue, not a criminal issue.

Drug use maybe, but not trafficking and selling.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

We are talking about first time arrested junkie and most of them don't go to prison. We need to all start asking the question "who is going to pay for it, we can no longer afford to throw money at every social problem that comes up.

Still cheaper. The US prison system is full of 'addicts' who belong in rehab.

First time offenders are absolutely the place to start.

[BroncoBeavis]

The real question with legalization is what are you going to do with the 75% of addicts who Rehab won't help and who choose to live life strung out.

Keep giving them drugs?

Not being a smartass (like usual ) either. Legit question.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

The real question with legalization is what are you going to do with the 75% of addicts who Rehab won't help and who choose to live life strung out.

Keep giving them drugs?

Not being a smartass (like usual ) either. Legit question.

Same thing you do with addicts of legal drugs.

Let them kill themselves as long as they don't hurt others.

No one wants that, but what we're currently doing is not helping the situation (it's making it worse).

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Same thing you do with addicts of legal drugs.

Let them kill themselves as long as they don't hurt others.

No one wants that, but what we're currently doing is not helping the situation (it's making it worse).

Yeah, but even the people that get addicted to legal drugs end up cut off at some point.

It's not legal for a Dr to simply keep writing scripts for known addicts just to keep withdrawal from setting in.

When you really start to think through the significance of the "legalize it all" approach, even the concept of prescriptions themselves becomes outdated. Or FDA requiring new drugs to go through trials before being made available? How do you argue for that?

Hard to argue that a cancer patient can't try a new bleeding-edge drug because they're not "safe" while you're dispensing methamphetamines to junkies for "recreational" use.

[Rohirrim]

It's gone way beyond stupid...

“Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today,” writes the New Yorker’s Adam Gopnik. “Over all, there are now more people under ‘correctional supervision’ in America - more than 6 million - than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height.”
Is this hyperbole? Here are the facts. The U.S. has 760 prisoners per 100,000 citizens. That’s not just many more than in most other developed countries but seven to 10 times as many. Japan has 63 per 100,000, Germany has 90, France has 96, South Korea has 97, and ­Britain - with a rate among the ­highest - has 153....
This wide gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world is relatively recent. In 1980 the U.S.’s prison population was about 150 per 100,000 adults. It has more than quadrupled since then. So something has happened in the past 30 years to push millions of Americans into prison.
That something, of course, is the war on drugs. Drug convictions went from 15 inmates per 100,000 adults in 1980 to 148 in 1996, an almost tenfold increase. More than half of America’s federal inmates today are in prison on drug convictions. In 2009 alone, 1.66 million Americans were arrested on drug charges, more than were arrested on assault or larceny charges. And 4 of 5 of those arrests were simply for possession....
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....ration-nation/

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Yeah, but even the people that get addicted to legal drugs end up cut off at some point.

Not true: See: Alcohol, Tobacco

It's not legal for a Dr to simply keep writing scripts for known addicts just to keep withdrawal from setting in.

When you really start to think through the significance of the "legalize it all" approach, even the concept of prescriptions themselves becomes outdated. Or FDA requiring new drugs to go through trials before being made available? How do you argue for that?

Hard to argue that a cancer patient can't try a new bleeding-edge drug because they're not "safe" while you're dispensing methamphetamines to junkies for "recreational" use.

I didn't say we should just hand out drugs (prescription or otherwise) to anyone that wants them.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Not true: See: Alcohol, Tobacco

I didn't say we should just hand out drugs (prescription or otherwise) to anyone that wants them.

Comparisons between Crystal Meth and a Beer aside, these two statements when put together seem self-contradictory.

If you want to treat hard drugs like alcohol or tobacco, you're going to have to have some method of regulating distribution. Legalizing consumption but keeping the production in black market shadows is bringing you the worst of both worlds.

[baja]

Way too much money for top officials, both government and Banking to legalize drugs and the prison lobbies would not allow any threat to their golden cow either.

[baja]

Here is what drives the problem both in the USA & Mexico

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3PH_qlHTXg

[baja]

Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in Wells Fargo Deal

Just before sunset on April 10, 2006, a DC-9 jet landed at the international airport in the port city of Ciudad del Carmen, 500 miles east of Mexico City. As soldiers on the ground approached the plane, the crew tried to shoo them away, saying there was a dangerous oil leak. So the troops grew suspicious and searched the jet.
They found 128 black suitcases, packed with 5.7 tons of cocaine, valued at $100 million. The stash was supposed to have been delivered from Caracas to drug traffickers in Toluca, near Mexico City, Mexican prosecutors later found. Law enforcement officials also discovered something else.


June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia Corp. in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers. Bloomberg's Erik Schatzker reports. (Source: Bloomberg)

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Martin Woods, former director of Wachovia Corp.'s anti-money-laundering unit in London, talks with Bloomberg's Julie Hyman and Mark Crumpton about the use of Wachovia Corp. and others by Mexican drug cartels to launder funds. Bloomberg Markets Magazine senior writer Michael Smith reports in the magazine's August 2010 issue that Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers. (Source: Bloomberg)

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg Markets Magazine senior writer Michael Smith discusses the use of Wachovia Corp., Bank of America Corp. and others by Mexican drug cartels to launder funds. In the magazine's August 2010 issue, Smith reports that Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers. Smith speaks with Betty Liu on Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop.” (Source: Bloomberg)






The smugglers had bought the DC-9 with laundered funds they transferred through two of the biggest banks in the U.S.: Wachovia Corp. and Bank of America Corp., Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its August 2010 issue.
This was no isolated incident. Wachovia, it turns out, had made a habit of helping move money for Mexican drug smugglers. Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers -- including the cash used to buy four planes that shipped a total of 22 tons of cocaine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-u-s-deal.html


US banks & and US drug consumers are the reason for the cartel violence in Mexico if you don't believe check out a few of these articles there are 10 pages of them;

https://www.google.com.mx/search?cli...BofxigKdjYDoCg

[baja]

Oh and So Cal before you gloat to much check your nationalistic hands for blood

https://www.google.com.mx/search?cli...BofxigKdjYDoCg

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

fine lets thin out the gene pool by letting people off them selves by getting a high that will put em 6 feet under

[baja]

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

fine lets thin out the gene pool by letting people off them selves by getting a high that will put em 6 feet under

ironic

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by baja

ironic

not shure what that lil remark means can you elaborate there a lil maybe flesh out that lil remark of yours out . i could take a shot and assume thats some sort of lame lil insult toward me ,but its only speculation on my part.
or i could assume that was a lil shot on your part because you assume marijuana will kill you and im pro legalizing it.
again im only guessing .only you know the truth behind what you said.