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Old 11-24-2012, 07:40 AM   #1
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Time to evaluate the two drafts directed by Josh McDaniels for Broncos
POSTED: 11/24/2012 12:01:00 AM MSTBy Jeff Legwold
The Denver Post

Former Broncos coach Josh McDaniels (Denver Post file)
Today's question about the Broncos comes from Michael B. in Los Angeles. To submit a question for consideration, send an e-mail to The Denver Post's Jeff Legwold.

Q: Longtime displaced Broncos fan and I'm wondering what people inside the team really think of Josh McDaniels' drafts now that they are back to being a playoff team?

A: Michael, McDaniels' ill-fated two-year run as the Broncos' head coach and top voice in personnel matters can be seen on the current roster, both positively and negatively.

On the positive side, the two receivers McDaniels selected in the 2010 draft — Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker — are currently the team's top two receivers with 57 and 50 catches, respectively.

Both came into the 2010 draft with medical questions. Thomas had suffered a fractured foot training for the scouting combine that year and couldn't do a full workout for any team before that draft. Decker had missed much of his senior season at Minnesota after surgery to repair a Lisfranc injury in his left foot.

So, many teams pushed them both down the draft board because of that. Decker had also had a concussion to go with rib, ankle and shoulder injuries during his career with the Gophers. And Thomas has also since suffered a torn Achilles tendon and a hand injury in his career with the Broncos.




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Old 11-24-2012, 07:49 AM   #2
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I'd say he's wrong it's not time. That time has passed and we have moved on. no one cares about all the players he drafted we had to cut anymore.
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:53 AM   #3
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I'd say, as I said at the time, that trading three picks to move back up for Tebow was the biggest faceplant of McD's drafts.
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:55 AM   #4
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I'd say, as I said at the time, that trading three picks to move back up for Tebow was the biggest faceplant of McD's drafts.
Turns out you were right but it was fun for 3/4 of a season.


He sure pissed away a bunch of high picks
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:58 AM   #5
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My grades for the Josh McDaniels drafts:

2009 Broncos Draft:
1 12 Knowshon Moreno - D
1 18 Robert Ayers - C
2 37 Alphonso Smith - F
2 48 Darcel McBath - F
2 64 Richard Quinn - F
4 114 David Bruton - B
4 132 Seth Olsen - F
5 141 Kenny McKinley - D
6 174 Tom Brandstater - C
7 225 Blake Schlueter - F

Overall Grade for 2009: F

2010:
1 22 Demaryius Thomas - A
1 25 Tim Tebow - C
2 45 Zane Beadles - B+
3 80 J.D. Walton - B
3 87 Eric Decker - A
5 137 Perrish Cox - D
6 183 Eric Olsen - D
7 225 Syd'Quan Thompson - C
7 232 Jammie Kirlew - F

Overall Grade for the 2010 draft: B
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:02 AM   #6
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I'd say, as I said at the time, that trading three picks to move back up for Tebow was the biggest faceplant of McD's drafts.
Well those picks were manufactured earlier in the draft, so he was just positioning. Plus it depends how you want to measure success. Tim provided a very memorable season and a playoff home win.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:05 AM   #7
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2009 Broncos Draft:
1 12 Knowshon Moreno - D
1 18 Robert Ayers - C
2 37 Alphonso Smith - F
2 48 Darcel McBath - F
2 64 Richard Quinn - F
4 114 David Bruton - B
4 132 Seth Olsen - F
5 141 Kenny McKinley - not known (died)
6 174 Tom Brandstater - C
7 225 Blake Schlueter - C (to me all 6th and 7th rd picks are a crab shoot so a C is lowest possible)

Overall Grade for 2009: F

So sad to fail in a draft where we had two #1s, three #2s and two #4s.
2010:
1 22 Demaryius Thomas - A
1 25 Tim Tebow - C
2 45 Zane Beadles - B+
3 80 J.D. Walton - B
3 87 Eric Decker - A
5 137 Perrish Cox - D
6 183 Eric Olsen - C
7 225 Syd'Quan Thompson - C
7 232 Jammie Kirlew - C

Overall Grade for the 2010 draft: B

Basically agree though

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Old 11-24-2012, 08:06 AM   #8
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My problem with his draft picks is the fact that he wasted so many of them.
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Even giving McDaniels credit for taking Thomas and Decker, I would still only be able to give him a D+ at best. His gaffs include:

Drafting Moreno over Orakpo
Trading a 2010 First Round pick to draft Alphonso Smith
Robert Ayers over two other Pro Bowlers at positions of need (And if we are to believe Xanders, completely ignoring him on Clay Matthews)
Darcel McBath over LeSean McCoy
Richard Quinn, Seth Olsen, and the rest of the 2009 draft, none of which are still on the team.
Trading a 4th round pick for Lawrence Maroney(who was about to be cut) when Marshawn Lynch would have been had for the same price.

So, while the 2010 Draft did bring us our starting WRs and a Left Guard that finally has appeared to grow into the role in his 3rd year, It also saw us spending a 1st round pick on Tim Tebow, who we barely managed to flip for a 4th rounder 2 years later. McDaniels may have some skills, drafting was not among them. I'm just glad he was gone before the 2011 draft. I know it is early, but that draft already looks to be the strongest first round in the last decade. McDumbass would have traded us out of the first round for future picks.
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The 2009 draft in particular was disastrous -- possibly the worst draft in the history of the franchise, if not the NFL. Two 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders have never yielded so few returns.

Just for fun, here's who we could have taken with those picks, at the same slots:

1 12 Brian Orakpo, LB
1 18 Clay Matthews, LB
2 37 Jarius Byrd, S
2 48 Lesean McCoy, RB
2 64 Mike Wallace, WR
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Well those picks were manufactured earlier in the draft, so he was just positioning. Plus it depends how you want to measure success. Tim provided a very memorable season and a playoff home win.
He tore this franchise apart!
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:12 AM   #12
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The 2009 draft in particular was disastrous -- possibly the worst draft in the history of the franchise, if not the NFL. Two 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders have never yielded so few returns.

Just for fun, here's who we could have taken with those picks, at the same slots:

1 12 Brian Orakpo, LB
1 18 Clay Matthews, LB
2 37 Jarius Byrd, S
2 48 Lesean McCoy, RB
2 64 Mike Wallace, WR
That's almost physically painful.
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That's almost physically painful.
Yeah, and to make it worse, we could have had Marshawn Lynch over Lawrence Maroney in that ill-fated trade. Can you imagine, McCoy and Lynch both in our backfield. I will now go punch a wall.
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That's almost physically painful.
Yeah. But then we would never have seen Von Miller. The coulda, woulda, shoulda game is fun to indulge in, but whattayagonnado?
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Yeah. But then we would never have seen Von Miller. The coulda, woulda, shoulda game is fun to indulge in, but whattayagonnado?
That's true... at the end of the day, this is the chain of events that led to the return of the once and future king (Elway), Von Miller, and Peyton Manning.

At the moment, I wouldn't have it any other way, I suppose.
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What is nice is thinking about how far we have come in just 2 years. God Bless John Elway.
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Rho without Mcdaniels ruining our team we would not have picked high enough to get Von Miller. I like it man I like it. How come you won't give Bush JR credit for Obama.
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2010 draft was a solid draft. Oh yea Tebow excuse me while i put red lipstick on and take a few sleeping pills.
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The 2009 draft in particular was disastrous -- possibly the worst draft in the history of the franchise, if not the NFL. Two 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders have never yielded so few returns.

Just for fun, here's who we could have taken with those picks, at the same slots:

1 12 Brian Orakpo, LB
1 18 Clay Matthews, LB
2 37 Jarius Byrd, S
2 48 Lesean McCoy, RB
2 64 Mike Wallace, WR
Ugh, **** McDouchebag
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Robert Ayers underrated
Eric Decker overrated
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I'd say, as I said at the time, that trading three picks to move back up for Tebow was the biggest faceplant of McD's drafts.
no no, no no, no no, it always has been and always will be dealing a future first who ended up being Earl Thomas for a 2nd round pick to draft Alphonso Smith who barely spent two years with the team.
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no no, no no, no no, it always has been and always will be dealing a future first who ended up being Earl Thomas for a 2nd round pick to draft Alphonso Smith who barely spent two years with the team.
Especially when you consider we traded back like 3 times in order to pull off the tebow move
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no no, no no, no no, it always has been and always will be dealing a future first who ended up being Earl Thomas for a 2nd round pick to draft Alphonso Smith who barely spent two years with the team.
We'll have to just agree to disagree on what Josh McDaniel's biggest ****-up was... personally, I think it was trading two mid-3rd rounders for Richard Quinn, Medicine Woman.
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I'd have to give him a C- overall regarding drafts. About 1/3 of his picks panned out....and a few of them have a chance to be awesome.

But, you have to factor in...the fact that he totally dismantled one of the leagues best offenses and youngest to boot.

If he just would have added to what we already had...then we may have had something.....but, all he did was replace what we already had....and in most ways failed.

Together you have to give him an F overall! Worst period of time that I can remember as a Broncos Fan. Even worse than the Michelan Man years of Wade Phillips.
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