10 games in the books - the good & the concerns - Page 3 - The Orange Mane

Mountain Bronco · 11-19-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

1. A.J. Green had one TD, and Champ was right there, almost stripping the ball as Green made a great falling catch out of bounds.
2. The only other big play that Champ gave up to Green, was a 37-yard bomb down the right sideline, where Green pushed off at the last second to create separation.
3. A.J. Green went 5 receptions for 70 yards against Champ Bailey that day (half of it coming on one play).
4. Champ intercepted a pass intended for Green late in the game.

So no, Champ didn't completely shut down Green, but what do you expect? It was a good matchup, with Green getting a TD, and Champ getting an INT.

Is that the only TD Champ has given up all year?

Dude I agreed with you; however, you said it yourself that Champ didn't shut him down. Not a bad day against such a good receiver, but not a shut out. I wouldn't move Champ at all. Dude takes on the toughest receivers and does a good job on them allowing the young gun CB's to shine opposite him.

mhgaffney · 11-19-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

I think that's stretching it a bit. A right guard is not the difference between a Superbowl and losing in the 1st round. Manram has done a decent job. He's not Kuper but he's no scrub either. Koppen got beat more then Manram did today.

Concerns: I would say the turnovers are STILL our biggest weakness. We're getting some take aways from our defense but it's being negated by our offense giving it right back up. This should have been a route today the way our defense played.

We saw how Ramirez got owned by better D lines. They push him back into Manning. Let's hope Kuper is ready for the play offs.

Rabb · 11-19-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Bronco

Dude I agreed with you; however, you said it yourself that Champ didn't shut him down. Not a bad day against such a good receiver, but not a shut out. I wouldn't move Champ at all. Dude takes on the toughest receivers and does a good job on them allowing the young gun CB's to shine opposite him.

We aren't allowed to be critical of Broncos until they move to other teams...don't forget that.

maher_tyler · 11-19-2012, 11:46 AM

Slow starts and turnovers won't cut it against quality teams. We get that under control and I like our chances.

Fedaykin · 11-19-2012, 12:36 PM

Lost in the commotion is the big picture:

We have PFM being PFM.

... WITH a defense having his back.

oh, and decent special teams as well.

The O still needs some work, particularly in the run game (sadly, may be in trouble there) and chemistry between PFM and the receiving corp, but we're cranking out 30ppg, as a team.

I was expecting this year to be a waste of time with PFM being PFM-lite and the typical abysmal defense we've come to expect over the last 7 years. So far, that expectation is getting blown away.

baja · 11-19-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Point is no need for Twilight. The Bronco could have gotton one of these players and Wolfe. I know, hindsight is 20/20, right?

If Twilight pans out, fine. Otherwise he's a wasted pick IMHO.

Ya dont say, did you come up with that all by yourself?

DENVERDUI55 · 11-19-2012, 01:53 PM

As in other threads like this the fact that we are going to have to rely on Slowshon scares the crap out of me. He is slow and runs with no power. I think we need a pounder that gets the tough yards not dance like Slowshon.

Dropped Balls are starting to piss me off especially by Decker.

Fumbles are a joke too.

Defense is playing well and will need to stay healthy.

pricejj · 11-19-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

Dropped Balls are starting to piss me off especially by Decker.

This. Decker's dropped balls/missed blocking assignments are pissing me off too.

The dude has Tony Romo syndrome. Granted, if my wife was Jessica Simpson or Jessie James, I would be knock-kneed more often than not, but sheesh...

...doesn't he have an obligation to Peyton Freaking Manning? Is nothing sacred anymore?

Get it together Decker. Just say no to the poon for a couple months.

Bronco Yoda · 11-19-2012, 03:01 PM

Stupid drops and turnovers are stopping us from dominating. But our Defense on 3rd down is flat out balling. I really wish we had a pile-pushing RB to move the chains for when the weather starts getting sloppy.

PaintballCLE · 11-19-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

The Good;

1.Peyton is back and has control of this team, everyone is buying in

2. jack del Rio has this defense playing lights out

3. Special teams are #1or #2 in several categories.

4, We are winning games while not playing our best offensively

5. Von Miller is getting better by the week

6. All the young defensive players are playing at an unbelievable level.

7. We appear to be the most complete team in the AFC

8. Although we have had injuries we are in better shape than most teams

9. Except for Baltimore we don't have any bruising games left

10. We got great coaching top to bottom.

The Concerns;

1. Champ has not played like Champ for two games now.

2, Holliday is scary with the ball, he drops the ball a lot.

3. We need Kupe to get healthy and stay healthy

4. Fumbles

5. Both DT & Decker are dropping balls they should catch

6. Very thin at Running back

7. Manning getting hit too much the last two games we can't afford this.

8, Running game needs to become stronger now that it's getting cold and the playoffs are looming.

9. Hillman should be further along

10. Koppen needs to stay healthy, if he goes down we're screwed

i would say 3 games for champ........ AJ green tore him up

Old Dude · 11-20-2012, 06:00 AM

I think Champ is still playing at a very high level.

A couple things to keep in mind:

1. He's getting challenged more these days because the other DBs are holding up their end. In the past, there was no reason to throw his way when guys were constantly open on the other side.

2. With all due respect to Miller, Doom, etc., one of the reasons Denver is leading in sacks is because of solid coverage in the secondary.

orinjkrush · 11-20-2012, 05:30 PM

come on. champ is not perfect, nobody is. but on any GIVEN play, where I absolutely, definitely need a play...I'll take Champ.

on O, and D and ST we are seeing that we need a solidly good, not perfect, but not average game from everybody, if we are to have a shot in the playoffs.

Decker and DT need to catch and HOLD the damn ball.

Hillman and Ball and shhhhh...maybe Knowsho need to step UP

Holliday needs to hold the damn ball AND get a return

and Carter, Woodyard, Harris and Moore need to keep playing lights out football.

if, if and if...then....maybe...

baja · 11-20-2012, 05:34 PM

I love Champ but he has been off his game the last two weeks. Doesn't mean he won't rebound. Every play has a few off games now and then. Remember it was just a concern.

orinjkrush · 11-20-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

I love Champ but he has been off his game the last two weeks. Doesn't mean he won't rebound. Every play has a few off games now and then. Remember it was just a concern.

and an interesting observation too.

mhgaffney · 11-20-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

I love Champ but he has been off his game the last two weeks. Doesn't mean he won't rebound. Every play has a few off games now and then. Remember it was just a concern.

Correct me if I am wrong -- but Champ's only allowed one TD this year.

Requiem · 11-20-2012, 06:35 PM

Peyton's Terrific Trio:

Demaryius Thomas -- 57 receptions, 933 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Eric Decker -- 50 receptions, 621 yards and 8 touchdowns.

Brandon Stokley -- 32 receptions, 387 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Still would like some better depth there besides Caldwell and Willis, but it seems like our tight ends get a lot of playing time in certain packages split out. Spend a draft choice on a guy like Tavon Austin and we would be ****ting all over the NFL. Look at what Green Bay has been able to accomplish and their drafting paid off given the injuries this year.

BAM!

NFLBRONCO · 11-20-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Peyton's Terrific Trio:

Demaryius Thomas -- 57 receptions, 933 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Eric Decker -- 50 receptions, 621 yards and 8 touchdowns.

Brandon Stokley -- 32 receptions, 387 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Still would like some better depth there besides Caldwell and Willis, but it seems like our tight ends get a lot of playing time in certain packages split out. Spend a draft choice on a guy like Tavon Austin and we would be ****ting all over the NFL. Look at what Green Bay has been able to accomplish and their drafting paid off given the injuries this year.

BAM!

I would love Austin in a Bronco uni next year

baja · 11-20-2012, 08:31 PM

Tamme 34 receptions 312 yards

Dressen 27 receptions 250 yards

Green 3 receptions 44 yards

teknic · 11-20-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

Stupid drops and turnovers are stopping us from dominating. But our Defense on 3rd down is flat out balling. I really wish we had a pile-pushing RB to move the chains for when the weather starts getting sloppy.

This. 1000x over.

The Broncos need a running back that can convert those third and shorts. Some of the blame obviously lies with the offensive line, but those should be easy conversions to continue a drive.

Chris · 11-20-2012, 08:52 PM

Decker needs to practice catching the ball when his feet have left the ground. Right now he seems fundamentally limited.

DBroncos4life · 11-20-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Peyton's Terrific Trio:

Demaryius Thomas -- 57 receptions, 933 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Eric Decker -- 50 receptions, 621 yards and 8 touchdowns.

Brandon Stokley -- 32 receptions, 387 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Still would like some better depth there besides Caldwell and Willis, but it seems like our tight ends get a lot of playing time in certain packages split out. Spend a draft choice on a guy like Tavon Austin and we would be ****ting all over the NFL. Look at what Green Bay has been able to accomplish and their drafting paid off given the injuries this year.

BAM!

I've suggested Austin on the draft board. It wouldn't be fair to the rest of the NFL if we got him.

Heyneck · 11-20-2012, 09:28 PM

While I think most of you are overreacting about Champ supposed decline, if he ever does move to another position, I hope it's to the nickle spot ala Charles Woodson. If we have 2 solid outside cover corners, Champ would kill it in the slot.

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11-19-2012, 11:46 AM	#54
maher_tyler Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 5,673 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Slow starts and turnovers won't cut it against quality teams. We get that under control and I like our chances.

11-19-2012, 12:36 PM	#55
Fedaykin Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,814 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Lost in the commotion is the big picture: We have PFM being PFM. ... WITH a defense having his back. oh, and decent special teams as well. The O still needs some work, particularly in the run game (sadly, may be in trouble there) and chemistry between PFM and the receiving corp, but we're cranking out 30ppg, as a team. I was expecting this year to be a waste of time with PFM being PFM-lite and the typical abysmal defense we've come to expect over the last 7 years. So far, that expectation is getting blown away.

11-19-2012, 01:53 PM	#57
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,157 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	As in other threads like this the fact that we are going to have to rely on Slowshon scares the crap out of me. He is slow and runs with no power. I think we need a pounder that gets the tough yards not dance like Slowshon. Dropped Balls are starting to piss me off especially by Decker. Fumbles are a joke too. Defense is playing well and will need to stay healthy.

11-19-2012, 03:01 PM	#59
Bronco Yoda Stokley once... ...saved me from a beating Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,244	Stupid drops and turnovers are stopping us from dominating. But our Defense on 3rd down is flat out balling. I really wish we had a pile-pushing RB to move the chains for when the weather starts getting sloppy.

11-20-2012, 06:00 AM	#61
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,152	I think Champ is still playing at a very high level. A couple things to keep in mind: 1. He's getting challenged more these days because the other DBs are holding up their end. In the past, there was no reason to throw his way when guys were constantly open on the other side. 2. With all due respect to Miller, Doom, etc., one of the reasons Denver is leading in sacks is because of solid coverage in the secondary.

11-20-2012, 05:30 PM	#62
orinjkrush ... Prospects for the future... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DistrictOfCorruption Posts: 4,914 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben Garland	come on. champ is not perfect, nobody is. but on any GIVEN play, where I absolutely, definitely need a play...I'll take Champ. on O, and D and ST we are seeing that we need a solidly good, not perfect, but not average game from everybody, if we are to have a shot in the playoffs. Decker and DT need to catch and HOLD the damn ball. Hillman and Ball and shhhhh...maybe Knowsho need to step UP Holliday needs to hold the damn ball AND get a return and Carter, Woodyard, Harris and Moore need to keep playing lights out football. if, if and if...then....maybe...

11-20-2012, 05:34 PM	#63
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,869 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	I love Champ but he has been off his game the last two weeks. Doesn't mean he won't rebound. Every play has a few off games now and then. Remember it was just a concern.

11-20-2012, 06:35 PM	#66
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,553 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Peyton's Terrific Trio: Demaryius Thomas -- 57 receptions, 933 yards and 5 touchdowns. Eric Decker -- 50 receptions, 621 yards and 8 touchdowns. Brandon Stokley -- 32 receptions, 387 yards and 5 touchdowns. Still would like some better depth there besides Caldwell and Willis, but it seems like our tight ends get a lot of playing time in certain packages split out. Spend a draft choice on a guy like Tavon Austin and we would be ****ting all over the NFL. Look at what Green Bay has been able to accomplish and their drafting paid off given the injuries this year. BAM!

11-20-2012, 08:31 PM	#68
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,869 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Tamme 34 receptions 312 yards Dressen 27 receptions 250 yards Green 3 receptions 44 yards

11-20-2012, 08:52 PM	#70
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	Decker needs to practice catching the ball when his feet have left the ground. Right now he seems fundamentally limited.

11-20-2012, 09:28 PM	#72
Heyneck Ring of Famer None is a family member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cali, Colombia Posts: 2,189 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	While I think most of you are overreacting about Champ supposed decline, if he ever does move to another position, I hope it's to the nickle spot ala Charles Woodson. If we have 2 solid outside cover corners, Champ would kill it in the slot.